Comments on: Matt Welch: Meh http://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/ "One should either write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up." -- Arthur Koestler Fri, 25 May 2012 06:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: From the Mariott, Joyousness Resounds Anew : The Other McCainhttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4169 From the Mariott, Joyousness Resounds Anew : The Other McCain Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:47:37 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-4169 [...] the Beltway offered us the rare double linkage.Around the Sphere links us.The Ubervu thread.Matt Welch: MehChuck Cross:As a Republican who believes in liberty, but is not a libertarian (capital L or [...] [...] the Beltway offered us the rare double linkage.Around the Sphere links us.The Ubervu thread.Matt Welch: MehChuck Cross:As a Republican who believes in liberty, but is not a libertarian (capital L or [...]

]]> By: Adobe Wallshttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3720 Adobe Walls Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:39:55 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-3720 How does one work with those who believe recognizing that there will be a state makes one a statist. In their intolerance they remind me of progressives. As far as I can determine the only broad area of agreement between conservatives and libertarians might be fiscal responsibility, for that matter that’s the only broad area of agreement between libertarians. Conservatives shouldn’t deny or hide their conservative social values but should emphasize cutting spending, less regulation, free market principals and strong on national security. This worked in VA, NJ and Mass. If someone walked into your dealership wearing work boots with a double bitted ax on his shoulder you’d tell him how tough your trucks are not how pretty. In the Bush administration they questioned prospective DOJ employees about their views on abortion. They should have been asking at treasury and the fed what those folks thought about Keynesian economics. We will not destroy bolshevism trading the white house and congress with the democrats every eight years or so. Once the people start to trust those we elect to not destroy the economy and steal our liberty and personal independence the people will follow on social issues. How does one work with those who believe recognizing that there will be a state makes one a statist. In their intolerance they remind me of progressives. As far as I can determine the only broad area of agreement between conservatives and libertarians might be fiscal responsibility, for that matter that’s the only broad area of agreement between libertarians.
Conservatives shouldn’t deny or hide their conservative social values but should emphasize cutting spending, less regulation, free market principals and strong on national security. This worked in VA, NJ and Mass. If someone walked into your dealership wearing work boots with a double bitted ax on his shoulder you’d tell him how tough your trucks are not how pretty. In the Bush administration they questioned prospective DOJ employees about their views on abortion. They should have been asking at treasury and the fed what those folks thought about Keynesian economics. We will not destroy bolshevism trading the white house and congress with the democrats every eight years or so. Once the people start to trust those we elect to not destroy the economy and steal our liberty and personal independence the people will follow on social issues.

]]> By: Adobe Wallshttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-39905 Adobe Walls Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:39:00 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-39905 How does one work with those who believe recognizing that there will be a state makes one a statist. In their intolerance they remind me of progressives. As far as I can determine the only broad area of agreement between conservatives and libertarians might be fiscal responsibility, for that matter that’s the only broad area of agreement between libertarians. Conservatives shouldn’t deny or hide their conservative social values but should emphasize cutting spending, less regulation, free market principals and strong on national security. This worked in VA, NJ and Mass. If someone walked into your dealership wearing work boots with a double bitted ax on his shoulder you’d tell him how tough your trucks are not how pretty. In the Bush administration they questioned prospective DOJ employees about their views on abortion. They should have been asking at treasury and the fed what those folks thought about Keynesian economics. We will not destroy bolshevism trading the white house and congress with the democrats every eight years or so. Once the people start to trust those we elect to not destroy the economy and steal our liberty and personal independence the people will follow on social issues. How does one work with those who believe recognizing that there will be a state makes one a statist. In their intolerance they remind me of progressives. As far as I can determine the only broad area of agreement between conservatives and libertarians might be fiscal responsibility, for that matter that’s the only broad area of agreement between libertarians.
Conservatives shouldn’t deny or hide their conservative social values but should emphasize cutting spending, less regulation, free market principals and strong on national security. This worked in VA, NJ and Mass. If someone walked into your dealership wearing work boots with a double bitted ax on his shoulder you’d tell him how tough your trucks are not how pretty. In the Bush administration they questioned prospective DOJ employees about their views on abortion. They should have been asking at treasury and the fed what those folks thought about Keynesian economics. We will not destroy bolshevism trading the white house and congress with the democrats every eight years or so. Once the people start to trust those we elect to not destroy the economy and steal our liberty and personal independence the people will follow on social issues.

]]> By: Bob Belvederehttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3710 Bob Belvedere Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:54:55 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-3710 1) What Ran said. 2) The libertarians have a great chance to be a part of the restoration of our freedoms and liberties, but puritans like Matt Welch are going to sabotage it for them. Good men, like Eric Dondero and Mike Todd, are trying to bridge the conservative/libertarian divide in the interest of our country. We can work together, we must work together. And we can do so, each group, without losing our souls. The example I like to site is on the issue of abortion: conservatives and libertarians can agree that it is an issue that Constitutionally belongs at the state level and, therefore, can work to that end. Once this victory is achieved, then we can battle over the issue in each state of The Union. Mr. Welch seeks nothing less than to maintain his movement on the fringes and hurt the cause of liberty at the same time. 1) What Ran said.

2) The libertarians have a great chance to be a part of the restoration of our freedoms and liberties, but puritans like Matt Welch are going to sabotage it for them. Good men, like Eric Dondero and Mike Todd, are trying to bridge the conservative/libertarian divide in the interest of our country. We can work together, we must work together. And we can do so, each group, without losing our souls. The example I like to site is on the issue of abortion: conservatives and libertarians can agree that it is an issue that Constitutionally belongs at the state level and, therefore, can work to that end. Once this victory is achieved, then we can battle over the issue in each state of The Union. Mr. Welch seeks nothing less than to maintain his movement on the fringes and hurt the cause of liberty at the same time.

]]> By: Bob Belvederehttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-39904 Bob Belvedere Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:54:00 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-39904 1) What Ran said. 2) The libertarians have a great chance to be a part of the restoration of our freedoms and liberties, but puritans like Matt Welch are going to sabotage it for them. Good men, like Eric Dondero and Mike Todd, are trying to bridge the conservative/libertarian divide in the interest of our country. We can work together, we must work together. And we can do so, each group, without losing our souls. The example I like to site is on the issue of abortion: conservatives and libertarians can agree that it is an issue that Constitutionally belongs at the state level and, therefore, can work to that end. Once this victory is achieved, then we can battle over the issue in each state of The Union. Mr. Welch seeks nothing less than to maintain his movement on the fringes and hurt the cause of liberty at the same time. 1) What Ran said.

2) The libertarians have a great chance to be a part of the restoration of our freedoms and liberties, but puritans like Matt Welch are going to sabotage it for them. Good men, like Eric Dondero and Mike Todd, are trying to bridge the conservative/libertarian divide in the interest of our country. We can work together, we must work together. And we can do so, each group, without losing our souls. The example I like to site is on the issue of abortion: conservatives and libertarians can agree that it is an issue that Constitutionally belongs at the state level and, therefore, can work to that end. Once this victory is achieved, then we can battle over the issue in each state of The Union. Mr. Welch seeks nothing less than to maintain his movement on the fringes and hurt the cause of liberty at the same time.

]]> By: Adobe Wallshttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3706 Adobe Walls Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:53:56 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-3706 Now we're against fire? Now we’re against fire?

]]> By: Adobe Wallshttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-39903 Adobe Walls Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:53:00 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-39903 Now we're against fire? Now we’re against fire?

]]> By: Ron Joneshttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3703 Ron Jones Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:00:56 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-3703 "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." Said George Washington All of my politics (expressed in detail at http://www.jonesfamily.us/politics ) flow from the following simple truism: The essence of all politics can be expressed as the answer to One. Single. Question. "When is the use, or the threat of deadly force against your family, your friends, your neighbors, and acquaintances justified?" If that makes me an extremist in your eyes, then I am proud to wear the label. But remember this... Every time you support any government spending program, any law, any regulation by a government agency; you are expressing a willingness to kill your friends, family, and fellow citizens who refuse to pay for said initiative. Who is the statist now? “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” Said George Washington

All of my politics (expressed in detail at http://www.jonesfamily.us/politics ) flow from the following simple truism:

The essence of all politics can be expressed as the answer to One. Single. Question.

“When is the use, or the threat of deadly force against your family, your friends, your neighbors, and acquaintances justified?”

If that makes me an extremist in your eyes, then I am proud to wear the label. But remember this…

Every time you support any government spending program, any law, any regulation by a government agency; you are expressing a willingness to kill your friends, family, and fellow citizens who refuse to pay for said initiative.

Who is the statist now?

]]> By: Ron Joneshttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-39902 Ron Jones Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:00:00 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-39902 "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." Said George Washington All of my politics (expressed in detail at http://www.jonesfamily.us/politics ) flow from the following simple truism: The essence of all politics can be expressed as the answer to One. Single. Question. "When is the use, or the threat of deadly force against your family, your friends, your neighbors, and acquaintances justified?" If that makes me an extremist in your eyes, then I am proud to wear the label. But remember this... Every time you support any government spending program, any law, any regulation by a government agency; you are expressing a willingness to kill your friends, family, and fellow citizens who refuse to pay for said initiative. Who is the statist now? “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” Said George Washington

All of my politics (expressed in detail at http://www.jonesfamily.us/politics ) flow from the following simple truism:

The essence of all politics can be expressed as the answer to One. Single. Question.

“When is the use, or the threat of deadly force against your family, your friends, your neighbors, and acquaintances justified?”

If that makes me an extremist in your eyes, then I am proud to wear the label. But remember this…

Every time you support any government spending program, any law, any regulation by a government agency; you are expressing a willingness to kill your friends, family, and fellow citizens who refuse to pay for said initiative.

Who is the statist now?

]]> By: Ran / Si Vis Pacemhttp://theothermccain.com/2010/02/13/matt-welch-meh-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3673 Ran / Si Vis Pacem Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:06:56 +0000 http://theothermccain.com/?p=2466#comment-3673 "<i>Some of your allies may be given to outbursts of religious, super-rational altruism as they set about rejecting the Divine Federal Government. This does not make them Untouchables. It’ll be OK, Matt.</i>" Dang, that's good, Smitty! :-<i>)</i> On the one hand - we're told that the right is moving libertarian. Strong evidence of this shift is the value-set of movement characters such as Sarah Palin or Michel Bachmann's, who's policies align well with those of libertarian candidates such as Rand Paul. On the other, Welch wouldn't vote for Palin because she's, what? <i>Statist?</i> Does Matt offer a clarification of just exactly how a Palin or Bachmann presidency would diminish "human freedom and prosperity"? Moreover I reject the notion that the right <i>is moving</i> libertarian: Rather, conservatism is forcing the non-libertarian "progressive" components out into harsh sunlight. Tocqueville's <i>liberty and tyranny</i> are being applied as the metric: Seen plainly, the likes of "conservatives" such as Brooks and Frum resemble Clinton and other statist "progressives" more than they do libertarian conservatives of the Goldwater-Reagan mold. Evidence of this is that as Bush II showed his statist colors and his Republican congress spent like drunks, Republican majorities evaporated. The Right was always there - it was just being ignored. “Some of your allies may be given to outbursts of religious, super-rational altruism as they set about rejecting the Divine Federal Government. This does not make them Untouchables. It’ll be OK, Matt.” Dang, that’s good, Smitty! :-)

On the one hand – we’re told that the right is moving libertarian. Strong evidence of this shift is the value-set of movement characters such as Sarah Palin or Michel Bachmann’s, who’s policies align well with those of libertarian candidates such as Rand Paul.

On the other, Welch wouldn’t vote for Palin because she’s, what? Statist? Does Matt offer a clarification of just exactly how a Palin or Bachmann presidency would diminish “human freedom and prosperity”?

Moreover I reject the notion that the right is moving libertarian: Rather, conservatism is forcing the non-libertarian “progressive” components out into harsh sunlight. Tocqueville’s liberty and tyranny are being applied as the metric: Seen plainly, the likes of “conservatives” such as Brooks and Frum resemble Clinton and other statist “progressives” more than they do libertarian conservatives of the Goldwater-Reagan mold.

Evidence of this is that as Bush II showed his statist colors and his Republican congress spent like drunks, Republican majorities evaporated. The Right was always there – it was just being ignored.

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