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Terrorist Jihad vs. the Tip Jar

Posted on | June 12, 2010 | 68 Comments

What just happened to Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs ought to scare the bejeebers out of every blogger:

Paypal is calling Atlas a “hate” site and will close my account if I do not remove the paypal option from my website.

I just got off the phone with Pamela, who explained that this was almost certainly a response to media coverage of her organization’s “Leaving Islam” bus advertising campaign, e.g., the Associated Press:

The questions on the ads aren’t subtle: Leaving Islam? Fatwa on your head? Is your family threatening you?
A conservative activist and the organizations she leads have paid several thousand dollars for the ads to run on at least 30 city buses for a month. The ads point to a website called RefugefromIslam.com, which offers information to those wishing to leave Islam, but some Muslims are calling the ads a smoke screen for an anti-Muslim agenda.
Pamela Geller, who leads an organization called Stop Islamization of America, said the ads were meant to help provide resources for Muslims who are fearful of leaving the faith. . . .

Wait, did you notice that? Guess who the Associated Press quotes as “some Muslims”?

Faiza Ali, of the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

One may surmise that CAIR and others complained to PayPal in an effort to eliminate online revenue for Geller and SOIA. And make no mistake: Online revenue is just about all she’s got.

This is the same thing that the Left has done against Glenn Beck’s advertisers: The minute any conservative begins to have any real success — WHAM!

Some are suggesting a boycott of PayPal but — good Lord! — how else am I supposed to pay for my daughter’s wedding next month? I need that money, and since Amazon ended its online payment service, PayPal’s got a monopoly.

Let’s hope PayPal can be made to understand that they’re being used as weapons in a financial jihad against truth and will rescind their fatwa against Geller.  In the meantime, those who wish to help Pamela Geller and SOIA can send checks by mail to:

Pamela Geller
PO Box 121
1040 1st Avenue
New York NY 10022

If jihadis can shut down our tip-jars, the independent conservative blogosphere is doomed, people.

UPDATE: Carl in Jerusalem:

Paypal has a subsidiary in Israel. Are they going to cut off pro-Israel speech too?
What is wrong with these people?

If you want to write a persuasive, intelligent and courteous e-mail asking PayPal to reconsider its threat to Pamela Geller, please send it to [email protected].

UPDATE II: Ed Driscoll and Instapundit both relate this to the “We Con the World” video being taken down, but video takedowns are already a too-familiar story in online political combat. A direct attack on a major source of funding for the blogsophere? That’s news.

And I’ve got a wedding to pay for!

UPDATE III: Top thread on Memeorandum, and I felt obliged to do some reporting at The American Spectator:

“What do they expect me to do, stop blogging about jihad?” said Geller . . .

Which was linked by Instapundit. Pamela rolls hard, as they say, but the Jawas note that the pro-jihad Revolution Muslim site still has a PayPal button.

Thanks for the linkage at Soylent Green and Bread Upon the Waters, while Pamela also gets a shout-out from Kathy Shaidle’s sweetie Blazing Cat Fur. As Pamela told me, this incident came in the immediate aftermath of her recent high-profile media appearances, such as this appearance in a Reuters news video:

Notice that the spokeswoman whom Reuters chooses as “balance” to Geller is Daisy Khan, whose organization is behind the “Ground Zero mosque” idea. And who is footing the bill for the American Society for Muslim Advancement?

Moreover, financial records show that in fiscal year 2009, ASMA collected a number of international donations that totaled, collectively, at least $1.3 million. The largest sum, $576,312, came from Qatar. ASMA also received $481,942 from Holland’s Millennial Development Goals Fund; $144,752 from the Carnegie Corporation of New York; and $53,664 from the United Nations Population Fund.

Read the rest of that — not just the foreign money, but Carnegie, Rockefeller, Ford, a veritable Who’s Who of elite philanthropic foundations, none of whom ever gave a penny to any conservative group. And what kind of religious organization would accept money from the United Nations Population Fund? They’re WorldWide Abortion Inc. Their motto  might as well be “World Peace Through Dead Babies.”

So the Ground Zero mosque people get millions from big-time foundations, plus the United Nations and all kinds of foreign money, and Pamela Geller can’t be permitted to push back with a few thousand bucks raised via PayPal?

Hello?

People are calling for an immediate boycott of PayPal, but as I pointed out in the comments below, this “usage” notice was sent to Pamela on a Saturday morning. Executives at PayPal haven’t had a chance to realize what a P.R. disaster they’ve got on their hands here, once the major media are forced to start reporting this story. 

The person in the PayPal “Acceptable Usage” department who threw the word “hate” at Pamela Geller is likely to have a very bad Monday at the office.

Comments

68 Responses to “Terrorist Jihad vs. the Tip Jar”

  1. Rodent
    June 12th, 2010 @ 11:35 pm

    Might try gpal.net as a paypain alternate.

    I have an account there, but have yet to actually use it, so can’t really say how they work.

    Even though I’m so bloody broke I can’t pay attention, I might try using it to send a few pennies Pam’s way, if that became an option.

  2. Rodent
    June 12th, 2010 @ 7:35 pm

    Might try gpal.net as a paypain alternate.

    I have an account there, but have yet to actually use it, so can’t really say how they work.

    Even though I’m so bloody broke I can’t pay attention, I might try using it to send a few pennies Pam’s way, if that became an option.

  3. Patrick
    June 13th, 2010 @ 12:05 am

    Mr. McCain,

    https://www.gpal.net/

    Get it.

    Switch BlogAds Payments to Checks, instead of Paypal.

    With me. I might just do that with BlogAds, Adsense goes to my checking to, that’s not needed, Infolinks will be switched to a check, as will all of the others.

    I’m still debating it, as I haven’t done nearly as much as Pamela, she’s all about the Anti-Jihad. I don’t dwell on that as much and besides, I’m not nearly as big as she is, so, I might not have to worry.

  4. Patrick
    June 13th, 2010 @ 12:05 am

    But I’m still mulling it over.

  5. Patrick
    June 12th, 2010 @ 8:05 pm

    Mr. McCain,

    https://www.gpal.net/

    Get it.

    Switch BlogAds Payments to Checks, instead of Paypal.

    With me. I might just do that with BlogAds, Adsense goes to my checking to, that’s not needed, Infolinks will be switched to a check, as will all of the others.

    I’m still debating it, as I haven’t done nearly as much as Pamela, she’s all about the Anti-Jihad. I don’t dwell on that as much and besides, I’m not nearly as big as she is, so, I might not have to worry.

  6. Patrick
    June 12th, 2010 @ 8:05 pm

    But I’m still mulling it over.

  7. Robert Stacy McCain
    June 13th, 2010 @ 12:27 am

    Just wait until PayPal hears from Mrs. Other McCain!

  8. Robert Stacy McCain
    June 12th, 2010 @ 8:27 pm

    Just wait until PayPal hears from Mrs. Other McCain!

  9. Quite Rightly
    June 13th, 2010 @ 1:05 am

    Thanks fellas. Linked at Bread upon the Waters.

  10. Quite Rightly
    June 12th, 2010 @ 9:05 pm

    Thanks fellas. Linked at Bread upon the Waters.

  11. Estragon
    June 13th, 2010 @ 1:08 am

    We’re getting close to the bottom of the slope we started slipping down when we granted a violent sect of pagan barbarians status as if it were a legitimate religion instead of a death cult.

    Our institutions have fallen right into the PC trap, too. If only it were so easy to overcome this with a small boycott and a few sternly-worded letters, but the corporate types are extremely sensitive about being labeled racists or even just “insensitive” – perhaps just as great a sin in the leftist world view.

    As you know firsthand, even blatantly false allegations are difficult to fight.

  12. Estragon
    June 12th, 2010 @ 9:08 pm

    We’re getting close to the bottom of the slope we started slipping down when we granted a violent sect of pagan barbarians status as if it were a legitimate religion instead of a death cult.

    Our institutions have fallen right into the PC trap, too. If only it were so easy to overcome this with a small boycott and a few sternly-worded letters, but the corporate types are extremely sensitive about being labeled racists or even just “insensitive” – perhaps just as great a sin in the leftist world view.

    As you know firsthand, even blatantly false allegations are difficult to fight.

  13. Estragon
    June 13th, 2010 @ 1:09 am

    Plus, it is tough on the food supply: http://tinyurl.com/3xu23ty

  14. Estragon
    June 12th, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

    Plus, it is tough on the food supply: http://tinyurl.com/3xu23ty

  15. Scumsucking PayPal Cuts Off Atlas For “Hate Speech” « SOYLENT GREEN
    June 12th, 2010 @ 9:27 pm

    […] This is a fucking outrage. You’ve probably heard this already but, I can’t let this pass. Bowing to pressure from CAIR–the unindicted co-conspirator in Hamas funding–PayPal has pegged Pam Geller’s Atlas Shrugged as a “Hate Site” and will close her account. These same Dhimmi fuckwads have not demanded any such action from Jihad-spouting site that use their service. (H/T Classic Liberal and Stacy McCain) […]

  16. Patrick
    June 13th, 2010 @ 2:21 am

    I did it. I canceled my account. I will be paid via check.

  17. Patrick
    June 13th, 2010 @ 2:21 am

    On all my stuff now. Screw Paypal and their idiotic Anti-American crap.

  18. Thrasymachus
    June 13th, 2010 @ 2:21 am

    This is another illusion that conservatives need to shed- that businesses are in favor of freedom. Businesses only care about freedom to the extent that it enables them to make money; they will cooperate with the system to keep the heat off, and they will help the system beat people down frequently just for thejoy of exercising power.

  19. Patrick
    June 12th, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

    I did it. I canceled my account. I will be paid via check.

  20. Patrick
    June 12th, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

    On all my stuff now. Screw Paypal and their idiotic Anti-American crap.

  21. Thrasymachus
    June 12th, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

    This is another illusion that conservatives need to shed- that businesses are in favor of freedom. Businesses only care about freedom to the extent that it enables them to make money; they will cooperate with the system to keep the heat off, and they will help the system beat people down frequently just for thejoy of exercising power.

  22. Adobe Walls
    June 13th, 2010 @ 2:25 am

    I saw Pamela on Fox a week or so ago I wonder if some one there will go to bat for her.

  23. Adobe Walls
    June 12th, 2010 @ 10:25 pm

    I saw Pamela on Fox a week or so ago I wonder if some one there will go to bat for her.

  24. Robert Stacy McCain
    June 13th, 2010 @ 3:04 am

    I did it. I canceled my account. I will be paid via check.

    Patrick, I’m glad you’re supporting Pamela, but I want to give PayPal a chance to realize that bending over for CAIR is a bad idea. This shutdown threat was sent on a Saturday, and so we can’t expect the executives at PayPal to realize what a public-relations nightmare their “acceptable usage” staff have just created.

    This PayPal P.R. debacle is already all over the blogosphere. MSM can’t ignore it for long, and you can bet talk-radio will pick it up Monday. And do you really think Glenn Beck will let this slide by?

    We can reasonably expect PayPal to back down. And I don’t think it will take five days.

  25. Robert Stacy McCain
    June 12th, 2010 @ 11:04 pm

    I did it. I canceled my account. I will be paid via check.

    Patrick, I’m glad you’re supporting Pamela, but I want to give PayPal a chance to realize that bending over for CAIR is a bad idea. This shutdown threat was sent on a Saturday, and so we can’t expect the executives at PayPal to realize what a public-relations nightmare their “acceptable usage” staff have just created.

    This PayPal P.R. debacle is already all over the blogosphere. MSM can’t ignore it for long, and you can bet talk-radio will pick it up Monday. And do you really think Glenn Beck will let this slide by?

    We can reasonably expect PayPal to back down. And I don’t think it will take five days.

  26. TR Sterling
    June 13th, 2010 @ 3:42 am

    I wish to end my account and any association with Pay Pal. Your arbitrary judgment on Atlas Shrugs website is without merit. Thus, I do not wish any further association with PayPal.

    I request you send me verification of your deletion of my account. This email is being copied to the US Attorney General office where restraint of trade and unfair discrimination for services will be investigated.

    Regards,
    TR Sterling

    (P.S. to RSM: Righteous move dude to beat the snakes out in the open in the parking lot of the web, where they cannot hide in grass. Glenn Beck (the 50 Million dollar man) probably won’t budge until his reading list is affected. But I wonder if Chuckie Johnson is getting a chubbie hiding under the table, as sweet Pamela goes straight-up with the big boys in CAIR).

  27. TR Sterling
    June 12th, 2010 @ 11:42 pm

    I wish to end my account and any association with Pay Pal. Your arbitrary judgment on Atlas Shrugs website is without merit. Thus, I do not wish any further association with PayPal.

    I request you send me verification of your deletion of my account. This email is being copied to the US Attorney General office where restraint of trade and unfair discrimination for services will be investigated.

    Regards,
    TR Sterling

    (P.S. to RSM: Righteous move dude to beat the snakes out in the open in the parking lot of the web, where they cannot hide in grass. Glenn Beck (the 50 Million dollar man) probably won’t budge until his reading list is affected. But I wonder if Chuckie Johnson is getting a chubbie hiding under the table, as sweet Pamela goes straight-up with the big boys in CAIR).

  28. Robert Stacy McCain
    June 13th, 2010 @ 3:48 am

    I wonder if Chuckie Johnson is getting a chubbie hiding under the table

    A mental image that no amount of brain bleach can ever erase.

  29. Robert Stacy McCain
    June 12th, 2010 @ 11:48 pm

    I wonder if Chuckie Johnson is getting a chubbie hiding under the table

    A mental image that no amount of brain bleach can ever erase.

  30. Arlen Williams
    June 13th, 2010 @ 3:54 am

    Good article.

    I don’t recognize any sites in your blogroll, from anyone who has written with intellectual honesty on the original intent of the “natural born Citizen” clause in the U.S. Constitution, though. That seems odd.

  31. Arlen Williams
    June 12th, 2010 @ 11:54 pm

    Good article.

    I don’t recognize any sites in your blogroll, from anyone who has written with intellectual honesty on the original intent of the “natural born Citizen” clause in the U.S. Constitution, though. That seems odd.

  32. Lisa Graas
    June 13th, 2010 @ 4:25 am

    I linked back. Did you hear about the L.A. NAACP and Hallmark? Pathetic.

    http://tinyurl.com/25oeqdg

    BTW, to commenter “Arlen”, the Founders didn’t let women vote. The Nineteenth Amendment gave me the right to vote. Want to take that away, too?

  33. Lisa Graas
    June 13th, 2010 @ 12:25 am

    I linked back. Did you hear about the L.A. NAACP and Hallmark? Pathetic.

    http://tinyurl.com/25oeqdg

    BTW, to commenter “Arlen”, the Founders didn’t let women vote. The Nineteenth Amendment gave me the right to vote. Want to take that away, too?

  34. just a conservative girl
    June 13th, 2010 @ 4:31 am

    I am not defending paypal as I firmly believe in the freedom of speech. I read Pam’s site on occassion and sometimes when I do I ask myself if she thinks that every Muslim in the world is evil.

    There is no doubt that there are very dangerous things coming out of the Muslim world, but I know people who follow Islam and they are good people, who have zero desire to see anyone get killed, let alone become a suicide bomber. I sometimes question if she believes that.

    I agree with much of what she writes about, but I can easily see why people have targeted her.

  35. just a conservative girl
    June 13th, 2010 @ 12:31 am

    I am not defending paypal as I firmly believe in the freedom of speech. I read Pam’s site on occassion and sometimes when I do I ask myself if she thinks that every Muslim in the world is evil.

    There is no doubt that there are very dangerous things coming out of the Muslim world, but I know people who follow Islam and they are good people, who have zero desire to see anyone get killed, let alone become a suicide bomber. I sometimes question if she believes that.

    I agree with much of what she writes about, but I can easily see why people have targeted her.

  36. sgide
    June 13th, 2010 @ 4:55 am

    Isn’t PayPal owned by eBay? Could boycott eBay. That would hurt a lot of innocent sellers though. I understand that PayPal is a bit of a nightmare for eBay sellers. Customer is always right even when they’re not. Reading the Ebay forums is quite an eye-opener.

    In any case, she can still say what she likes she just won’t be able to collect donations as easily. There must be an alternative and if not, there should be, otherwise all bloggers are at the mercy of PayPal.

  37. sgide
    June 13th, 2010 @ 12:55 am

    Isn’t PayPal owned by eBay? Could boycott eBay. That would hurt a lot of innocent sellers though. I understand that PayPal is a bit of a nightmare for eBay sellers. Customer is always right even when they’re not. Reading the Ebay forums is quite an eye-opener.

    In any case, she can still say what she likes she just won’t be able to collect donations as easily. There must be an alternative and if not, there should be, otherwise all bloggers are at the mercy of PayPal.

  38. Patrick
    June 13th, 2010 @ 1:40 am

    RSM Said:

    Patrick, I’m glad you’re supporting Pamela, but I want to give PayPal a chance to realize that bending over for CAIR is a bad idea. This shutdown threat was sent on a Saturday, and so we can’t expect the executives at PayPal to realize what a public-relations nightmare their “acceptable usage” staff have just created.

    This PayPal P.R. debacle is already all over the blogosphere. MSM can’t ignore it for long, and you can bet talk-radio will pick it up Monday. And do you really think Glenn Beck will let this slide by?

    We can reasonably expect PayPal to back down. And I don’t think it will take five days.

    I hear ya man. The minute that I hear that PayPal has backed down, I’ll create another account. Until then, No PayPal. I do have Gpay as well. But Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech; no matter of it’s Pamela Geller or David Duke or Fred Phelps, it’s all the same. You have the right to be a “So and So” and be one in print. PayPal is owned by e-bay, and their out there in California, that land of the fruits and nuts, Socialists, America-Haters and So forth. What else can one expect?

    This falls under my libertarian radar. We have that First Admendment for a god damned reason and I’ll fight for it, until they put me six foot under and throw dirt on my face. I might be pragmatic on SOME issues, but Freedom of Speech and Gun Rights, I shall not budge, not one lousy damned inch!

    -Patrick
    Owner
    politicalbyline dot com

  39. Patrick
    June 13th, 2010 @ 5:40 am

    RSM Said:

    Patrick, I’m glad you’re supporting Pamela, but I want to give PayPal a chance to realize that bending over for CAIR is a bad idea. This shutdown threat was sent on a Saturday, and so we can’t expect the executives at PayPal to realize what a public-relations nightmare their “acceptable usage” staff have just created.

    This PayPal P.R. debacle is already all over the blogosphere. MSM can’t ignore it for long, and you can bet talk-radio will pick it up Monday. And do you really think Glenn Beck will let this slide by?

    We can reasonably expect PayPal to back down. And I don’t think it will take five days.

    I hear ya man. The minute that I hear that PayPal has backed down, I’ll create another account. Until then, No PayPal. I do have Gpay as well. But Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech; no matter of it’s Pamela Geller or David Duke or Fred Phelps, it’s all the same. You have the right to be a “So and So” and be one in print. PayPal is owned by e-bay, and their out there in California, that land of the fruits and nuts, Socialists, America-Haters and So forth. What else can one expect?

    This falls under my libertarian radar. We have that First Admendment for a god damned reason and I’ll fight for it, until they put me six foot under and throw dirt on my face. I might be pragmatic on SOME issues, but Freedom of Speech and Gun Rights, I shall not budge, not one lousy damned inch!

    -Patrick
    Owner
    politicalbyline dot com

  40. Erich Madden
    June 13th, 2010 @ 6:23 am

    I know this is a stupid question, but how hard can it be to create ca competing company to Paypal that respects freedom? What do you need? A server, some software, the ability to bill a credit card securely? Paypal started out small(er). Surely there are a few in the Conservative New Media that could financially accomplish such a thing? My fear is that, whether or not Paypal backs down now, the Paypals and the Googles and other companies run by Leftists will continue to have the means to shut down the Conservative blogosphere overnight if they ever so chose (and don’t think they haven’t already planned it out in case they decide they “need” to), and this should serve as a wake-up call that there needs to be an alternative.

  41. Erich Madden
    June 13th, 2010 @ 2:23 am

    I know this is a stupid question, but how hard can it be to create ca competing company to Paypal that respects freedom? What do you need? A server, some software, the ability to bill a credit card securely? Paypal started out small(er). Surely there are a few in the Conservative New Media that could financially accomplish such a thing? My fear is that, whether or not Paypal backs down now, the Paypals and the Googles and other companies run by Leftists will continue to have the means to shut down the Conservative blogosphere overnight if they ever so chose (and don’t think they haven’t already planned it out in case they decide they “need” to), and this should serve as a wake-up call that there needs to be an alternative.

  42. Estragon
    June 13th, 2010 @ 6:24 am

    just a conservative girl @ #18: Of course there are good and righteous people who are muslims, and there are “moderate” muslims, too. The problem is that they aren’t the devout muslims.

    Whenever some wacko fringe nut Christian or Jewish fanatic or sect goes crazy violent, their reading of Scripture can always be demonstrated to be a complete misinterpretation. They are nuts twisting Scripture to their own violent ends.

    But the “fundamentalist” or “islamist” muslims are not the ones who are misinterpreting the Koran. Everything they proclaim to be doing and every tactic they use to achieve every objective is taken explicitly from the Koran, and no substantive counter-interpretations exist for most of these core principles and acts to further them.

    There is no great theological debate going on in islam now. Every islamic scholar knows the fundamentalists have islam right, there is nothing to debate. The best the moderates can do is spin some soft-soap muddling to justify their own rejection of the Koran. It’s like the Anglicans explaining why it’s cool to have gay female priests, even they don’t believe their logic.

    Which brings us inevitably to the question, then: if the islamists’ view of islam is indeed the correct one, we have a “religion” which commands its followers to convert infidels at the point of the sword, to take political power through conquest, to treat infidels as second-class citizens in the theocracy, to beat women whose full-body covers expose an inch of bare ankle, to stone rape victims for adultery, to mutilate the genitals of young girls, and to target innocent civilians in battle.

    That’s no “religion” – no religion in history says idiotic stuff like that. When Egyptian Pharaohs were considered gods, even they usually showed some restraint in dealing with their subjects and conquered populations.

    Perhaps the Thuggees, but that was just a cult . . . no, islam doesn’t qualify as a religion, unless we want to include satanic variations.

  43. Estragon
    June 13th, 2010 @ 2:24 am

    just a conservative girl @ #18: Of course there are good and righteous people who are muslims, and there are “moderate” muslims, too. The problem is that they aren’t the devout muslims.

    Whenever some wacko fringe nut Christian or Jewish fanatic or sect goes crazy violent, their reading of Scripture can always be demonstrated to be a complete misinterpretation. They are nuts twisting Scripture to their own violent ends.

    But the “fundamentalist” or “islamist” muslims are not the ones who are misinterpreting the Koran. Everything they proclaim to be doing and every tactic they use to achieve every objective is taken explicitly from the Koran, and no substantive counter-interpretations exist for most of these core principles and acts to further them.

    There is no great theological debate going on in islam now. Every islamic scholar knows the fundamentalists have islam right, there is nothing to debate. The best the moderates can do is spin some soft-soap muddling to justify their own rejection of the Koran. It’s like the Anglicans explaining why it’s cool to have gay female priests, even they don’t believe their logic.

    Which brings us inevitably to the question, then: if the islamists’ view of islam is indeed the correct one, we have a “religion” which commands its followers to convert infidels at the point of the sword, to take political power through conquest, to treat infidels as second-class citizens in the theocracy, to beat women whose full-body covers expose an inch of bare ankle, to stone rape victims for adultery, to mutilate the genitals of young girls, and to target innocent civilians in battle.

    That’s no “religion” – no religion in history says idiotic stuff like that. When Egyptian Pharaohs were considered gods, even they usually showed some restraint in dealing with their subjects and conquered populations.

    Perhaps the Thuggees, but that was just a cult . . . no, islam doesn’t qualify as a religion, unless we want to include satanic variations.

  44. Adobe Walls
    June 13th, 2010 @ 6:34 am

    @just a conservative girl:
    what Pamela says or believes about Muslims isn’t the issue. Why has no one asked if CAIR can apply pressure and get results over this what stops moveon.org from going after this or any other site? AS for almost all Muslims being murderously evil I question those who’d take it for granted that their not.

  45. Adobe Walls
    June 13th, 2010 @ 2:34 am

    @just a conservative girl:
    what Pamela says or believes about Muslims isn’t the issue. Why has no one asked if CAIR can apply pressure and get results over this what stops moveon.org from going after this or any other site? AS for almost all Muslims being murderously evil I question those who’d take it for granted that their not.

  46. Joe Wilson
    June 13th, 2010 @ 6:41 am

    I agree with your points, Estragon, but I don’t see why evilness disqualifies Islam from being a religion. In any set of items that can be ranked, there have to be items that represent each of the extremes. If one looks at the set of all religions, one of them has to be the most evil. This just happens to be the one.

  47. Joe Wilson
    June 13th, 2010 @ 2:41 am

    I agree with your points, Estragon, but I don’t see why evilness disqualifies Islam from being a religion. In any set of items that can be ranked, there have to be items that represent each of the extremes. If one looks at the set of all religions, one of them has to be the most evil. This just happens to be the one.

  48. Dr. K
    June 13th, 2010 @ 11:45 am

    I guess it depends upon wht your level of income is. I run a business through a Yahoo store and I have a merchant accountwhere CC deposits are directly deposited into my account. Yes, I pay the interchange fees, but it beats having to rely on the USPS to deliver checks, go to the bank and hope the check clears.

    I explicitly do NOT have PayPal as a payment Option, as I have not trusted the bastards since 2004 when a customer on eBay paid via a credit card. Once I told them the item was in transit, the SOB reversed the charge, claiming “fraud”. He got the $1000 piece of merchandice and I got shafted. Have not used eBay or Paypal since.

    Cost? About $100 for the merchant account to set up, minimum of $25 in fees per month. Last month, I spent $35 plus the discount fee (about 3% of total sales). My products are about $300 per sale.

  49. Dr. K
    June 13th, 2010 @ 7:45 am

    I guess it depends upon wht your level of income is. I run a business through a Yahoo store and I have a merchant accountwhere CC deposits are directly deposited into my account. Yes, I pay the interchange fees, but it beats having to rely on the USPS to deliver checks, go to the bank and hope the check clears.

    I explicitly do NOT have PayPal as a payment Option, as I have not trusted the bastards since 2004 when a customer on eBay paid via a credit card. Once I told them the item was in transit, the SOB reversed the charge, claiming “fraud”. He got the $1000 piece of merchandice and I got shafted. Have not used eBay or Paypal since.

    Cost? About $100 for the merchant account to set up, minimum of $25 in fees per month. Last month, I spent $35 plus the discount fee (about 3% of total sales). My products are about $300 per sale.

  50. Grimcargo
    June 13th, 2010 @ 11:49 am

    I cancelled my account with Pay Pal yesterday. Pamela cannot let this pass. The implications are far more reaching than just having her account cancelled and everybody that has a blog ought to pay attention
    The people Pamela has pissed off are so vile and vicious Not just terrorist either.Jilted ponytails and braindead liberals. She needs to file a suit and make them come out of hiding.