AKA, if libertarians spent less time sniping at conservatives with their understandable social concerns (as Conservatism is based on Freedom and Virtue), then libertarians might see the expansion of Freedom they claim so loudly to support. However, one sometimes suspects they hate conservatives more than they love Freedom.

Perhaps this is not you, but you might spread the word to the other libertarians eager to start fights that need not be fought now.

AKA, if libertarians spent less time sniping at conservatives with their understandable social concerns (as Conservatism is based on Freedom and Virtue), then libertarians might see the expansion of Freedom they claim so loudly to support. However, one sometimes suspects they hate conservatives more than they love Freedom.

Perhaps this is not you, but you might spread the word to the other libertarians eager to start fights that need not be fought now.

Those of you that think that parents of a fourteen year old pregnant girl don’t suck or that the child is a rationale player in her economic future, choosing a fabulous life on $500/month are idiots, spewing irrational talking points to further more uncaring cruelty. [I have no idea what you are saying].

That said, I made no claim that there are no women that figure that welfare will take care of them, merely that it’s extremism to claim that all of them are. [My head is starting to hurt now reading this crap]. I made no claim the you, Roxeanne, are not an independent woman, I said that the characterization of any mother that doesn’t have a man as a parasite is extremism and, worse, a manipulative way of casting aspersions on independent women in general. (And, it’s worth noting, this started with Shafly talking, not about unwed mothers, but all divorced women, in this way.) [Roxanne is twice the man you are].

When you “slut-slammers” talk about young unwed mothers in terms of “just keep your legs shut” you reveal a stupid cruelty that is unbearable but indicative of the fantasy life of conservatives. [Your perjoritives aside, that is not bad advice to start with, we all recognize it is hardly foolproof.] Children do not cooperate. [Duh.] They do dumb, counterproductive things all the time. [Duh.] The idea that society has the ability to force them not to screw is just plain dumb. People have tried everything from literal chastity belts, to shotgun marriages, to putting girls in prison, to immeasurable cruelties of all sorts. [You must be thinking of your Muslim pals noted above]. It never works. I love the idea that preventing sex education, ie, attempting to conceal the reality of sex from children, will make them more responsible. Pure fantasy. [Sex education on the mechanics of how pregnancy happens, explaining what controception is, and why having sex at an early age is a bad idea is fine, telling kids what fisting is all about or encouraging them that picking up strange adult men at bus stations is okay is not.]

But the most stupid thing I read here is the ongoing assertion about liberal motivation. I have been a politically active, thoughtful liberal for decades. [No kidding? I never would have guessed that.] I have protested, run campaigns, written articles, read books, engaged in every way. [You go girl]. I have never, ever known a liberal that has an affirmative motivation to replace the father, ruin families, encourage dependency, or any of the other dumb things you people have said. [Well, spend some time in a feminist book store and you might find what you say does not exists.]

Never. To the extent that you base your viewpoints on that notion, you are 100% wrong. [This refers to the paragraph above?]

Of course, you’ll call me a liar but that’s because the conservative mindset operates on a fantasy that, “if it makes sense to me, it must be true.” [Liar, no, you really do believe this shit.] Somehow you think that, given enough cruelty and intolerance, the things you dislike will magically go away. [Dude, did we hurt your feelings?] Think badly of me and fellow liberals and maybe that will be true, too. [Come on now, let's smoke a bong and hug it out.]

Or not.

Those of you that think that parents of a fourteen year old pregnant girl don’t suck or that the child is a rationale player in her economic future, choosing a fabulous life on $500/month are idiots, spewing irrational talking points to further more uncaring cruelty. [I have no idea what you are saying].

That said, I made no claim that there are no women that figure that welfare will take care of them, merely that it’s extremism to claim that all of them are. [My head is starting to hurt now reading this crap]. I made no claim the you, Roxeanne, are not an independent woman, I said that the characterization of any mother that doesn’t have a man as a parasite is extremism and, worse, a manipulative way of casting aspersions on independent women in general. (And, it’s worth noting, this started with Shafly talking, not about unwed mothers, but all divorced women, in this way.) [Roxanne is twice the man you are].

When you “slut-slammers” talk about young unwed mothers in terms of “just keep your legs shut” you reveal a stupid cruelty that is unbearable but indicative of the fantasy life of conservatives. [Your perjoritives aside, that is not bad advice to start with, we all recognize it is hardly foolproof.] Children do not cooperate. [Duh.] They do dumb, counterproductive things all the time. [Duh.] The idea that society has the ability to force them not to screw is just plain dumb. People have tried everything from literal chastity belts, to shotgun marriages, to putting girls in prison, to immeasurable cruelties of all sorts. [You must be thinking of your Muslim pals noted above]. It never works. I love the idea that preventing sex education, ie, attempting to conceal the reality of sex from children, will make them more responsible. Pure fantasy. [Sex education on the mechanics of how pregnancy happens, explaining what controception is, and why having sex at an early age is a bad idea is fine, telling kids what fisting is all about or encouraging them that picking up strange adult men at bus stations is okay is not.]

But the most stupid thing I read here is the ongoing assertion about liberal motivation. I have been a politically active, thoughtful liberal for decades. [No kidding? I never would have guessed that.] I have protested, run campaigns, written articles, read books, engaged in every way. [You go girl]. I have never, ever known a liberal that has an affirmative motivation to replace the father, ruin families, encourage dependency, or any of the other dumb things you people have said. [Well, spend some time in a feminist book store and you might find what you say does not exists.]

Never. To the extent that you base your viewpoints on that notion, you are 100% wrong. [This refers to the paragraph above?]

Of course, you’ll call me a liar but that’s because the conservative mindset operates on a fantasy that, “if it makes sense to me, it must be true.” [Liar, no, you really do believe this shit.] Somehow you think that, given enough cruelty and intolerance, the things you dislike will magically go away. [Dude, did we hurt your feelings?] Think badly of me and fellow liberals and maybe that will be true, too. [Come on now, let's smoke a bong and hug it out.]

Or not.