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> <channel><title>Comments on: FBI Files Reveal Historian Howard Zinn Lied to Hide CPUSA Membership</title> <atom:link href="http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/</link> <description>&#34;One should either write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up.&#34; -- Arthur Koestler</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 22:56:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Zombie &#187; What&#8217;s the Matter with Texas?</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-31673</link> <dc:creator>Zombie &#187; What&#8217;s the Matter with Texas?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:07:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-31673</guid> <description>[...] example, it was recently revealed that famed historian Howard Zinn was a communist &#8212; a not just a casual half-hearted communist, but a lifelong fierce and unapologetic advocate [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] example, it was recently revealed that famed historian Howard Zinn was a communist &#8212; a not just a casual half-hearted communist, but a lifelong fierce and unapologetic advocate [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: poop</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-31139</link> <dc:creator>poop</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:46:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-31139</guid> <description>haha. this is great propaganda. using the blanket excuse that everything he did was a front for communism is ridiculous. he was an outspoken critic of the soviet union and china. he appreciated the views of marx, but vehemently believed that the soviets and chinese betrayed his ideals.
opposing the mundt-nixon bill is an affirmation of the 1st, 4th, 14th amendments. for all intents and purposes, this action is incredibly patriotic and devoid of exploitation. this has nothing to do with communism.
having a photo of zinn &#039;teaching a class on Communist doctrine&#039; is the dumbest thing i&#039;ve ever read. &#039;clincher&#039;? not even close. was he holding a sign that read &#039;i&#039;m a commie teaching communism&#039;? i think not. also, i&#039;m in a political ideologies class this semester, and guess what part of our study material is... communism. does that mean that my professor is a communist, or that we&#039;re learning how to become communists? absolutely not.
then you list wikipedia as a source and we&#039;re still supposed to take you seriously.
&#039;Zinn admittedly associated with numerous groups that the FBI considered to be communist, and the bureau cited several informants who identified Zinn as a member of the Communist Party.&#039; hearsay does not hold up in a court of law. the fbi (the organization that killed black panther members and did nothing to protect blacks and civil rights activists) considered some of the groups he &#039;associated&#039; with to be communist, and there were informants. this is mind-numbingly not credible.
&#039;One reason that McCarthy’s was sometimes unable to publicly substantiate his accusations was that he relied on secret information passed along by the FBI.&#039; - because it was bullshit.
the kirschner obituary is somewhat compelling in that it&#039;s meaningless conjecture. try again. even if it&#039;s the same person, you&#039;re passing off unsubstantiated propaganda as evidence of something that doesn&#039;t exist.
then you conclude with this:
&#039;What we see in all this, then, is how Zinn’s career forms a major thread in a rope that connects ’60s radicalism back to the Stalinism of the 1940s and ’50s.&#039; really? you haven&#039;t expressed anything that even remotely makes that connection.
&#039;Zinn was a consistent advocate of Marxist-Leninist doctrine [not true]throughout his career, and it is amazing that his teachings — his anti-American history – are so popular nearly two decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union. America won the Cold War, but the Communists won the campuses.&#039;
he was not an advocate of
marxist-leninist&#039; doctrine. read &#039;passionate declarations&#039; chapter &#039;communism and anit-communism&#039; to see how he outright denounces stalin, lenin, trotsky behavior after the bolshevik revolution. his teachings aren&#039;t anti-american. your ideological bias is so skewed it hurts. have you read an american history text book? he contrasts a different perspective of american history while condemning that it&#039;s been largely ignored by academic institutions. academia is so far right wing i&#039;m not sure how you missed it. except that you cite david horowitz (the guy who said ron paul and his supporters are anti-american, while glenn beck called them terrorists). pathetic. your misunderstanding of communism is laughable. howard zinn is definitely a socialist and readily admitted that, but a communist advocate of the soviet union... not even close. i feel sorry for anyone who buys into this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha. this is great propaganda. using the blanket excuse that everything he did was a front for communism is ridiculous. he was an outspoken critic of the soviet union and china. he appreciated the views of marx, but vehemently believed that the soviets and chinese betrayed his ideals.</p><p>opposing the mundt-nixon bill is an affirmation of the 1st, 4th, 14th amendments. for all intents and purposes, this action is incredibly patriotic and devoid of exploitation. this has nothing to do with communism.</p><p>having a photo of zinn &#8216;teaching a class on Communist doctrine&#8217; is the dumbest thing i&#8217;ve ever read. &#8216;clincher&#8217;? not even close. was he holding a sign that read &#8216;i&#8217;m a commie teaching communism&#8217;? i think not. also, i&#8217;m in a political ideologies class this semester, and guess what part of our study material is&#8230; communism. does that mean that my professor is a communist, or that we&#8217;re learning how to become communists? absolutely not.</p><p>then you list wikipedia as a source and we&#8217;re still supposed to take you seriously.</p><p>&#8216;Zinn admittedly associated with numerous groups that the FBI considered to be communist, and the bureau cited several informants who identified Zinn as a member of the Communist Party.&#8217; hearsay does not hold up in a court of law. the fbi (the organization that killed black panther members and did nothing to protect blacks and civil rights activists) considered some of the groups he &#8216;associated&#8217; with to be communist, and there were informants. this is mind-numbingly not credible.</p><p>&#8216;One reason that McCarthy’s was sometimes unable to publicly substantiate his accusations was that he relied on secret information passed along by the FBI.&#8217; &#8211; because it was bullshit.</p><p>the kirschner obituary is somewhat compelling in that it&#8217;s meaningless conjecture. try again. even if it&#8217;s the same person, you&#8217;re passing off unsubstantiated propaganda as evidence of something that doesn&#8217;t exist.</p><p>then you conclude with this:<br
/> &#8216;What we see in all this, then, is how Zinn’s career forms a major thread in a rope that connects ’60s radicalism back to the Stalinism of the 1940s and ’50s.&#8217; really? you haven&#8217;t expressed anything that even remotely makes that connection.</p><p>&#8216;Zinn was a consistent advocate of Marxist-Leninist doctrine [not true]throughout his career, and it is amazing that his teachings — his anti-American history – are so popular nearly two decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union. America won the Cold War, but the Communists won the campuses.&#8217;</p><p>he was not an advocate of<br
/> marxist-leninist&#8217; doctrine. read &#8216;passionate declarations&#8217; chapter &#8216;communism and anit-communism&#8217; to see how he outright denounces stalin, lenin, trotsky behavior after the bolshevik revolution. his teachings aren&#8217;t anti-american. your ideological bias is so skewed it hurts. have you read an american history text book? he contrasts a different perspective of american history while condemning that it&#8217;s been largely ignored by academic institutions. academia is so far right wing i&#8217;m not sure how you missed it. except that you cite david horowitz (the guy who said ron paul and his supporters are anti-american, while glenn beck called them terrorists). pathetic. your misunderstanding of communism is laughable. howard zinn is definitely a socialist and readily admitted that, but a communist advocate of the soviet union&#8230; not even close. i feel sorry for anyone who buys into this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: poop</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-52278</link> <dc:creator>poop</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-52278</guid> <description>haha. this is great propaganda. using the blanket excuse that everything he did was a front for communism is ridiculous. he was an outspoken critic of the soviet union and china. he appreciated the views of marx, but vehemently believed that the soviets and chinese betrayed his ideals.
opposing the mundt-nixon bill is an affirmation of the 1st, 4th, 14th amendments. for all intents and purposes, this action is incredibly patriotic and devoid of exploitation. this has nothing to do with communism.
having a photo of zinn &#039;teaching a class on Communist doctrine&#039; is the dumbest thing i&#039;ve ever read. &#039;clincher&#039;? not even close. was he holding a sign that read &#039;i&#039;m a commie teaching communism&#039;? i think not. also, i&#039;m in a political ideologies class this semester, and guess what part of our study material is... communism. does that mean that my professor is a communist, or that we&#039;re learning how to become communists? absolutely not.
then you list wikipedia as a source and we&#039;re still supposed to take you seriously.
&#039;Zinn admittedly associated with numerous groups that the FBI considered to be communist, and the bureau cited several informants who identified Zinn as a member of the Communist Party.&#039; hearsay does not hold up in a court of law. the fbi (the organization that killed black panther members and did nothing to protect blacks and civil rights activists) considered some of the groups he &#039;associated&#039; with to be communist, and there were informants. this is mind-numbingly not credible.
&#039;One reason that McCarthy’s was sometimes unable to publicly substantiate his accusations was that he relied on secret information passed along by the FBI.&#039; - because it was bullshit.
the kirschner obituary is somewhat compelling in that it&#039;s meaningless conjecture. try again. even if it&#039;s the same person, you&#039;re passing off unsubstantiated propaganda as evidence of something that doesn&#039;t exist.
then you conclude with this:
&#039;What we see in all this, then, is how Zinn’s career forms a major thread in a rope that connects ’60s radicalism back to the Stalinism of the 1940s and ’50s.&#039; really? you haven&#039;t expressed anything that even remotely makes that connection.
&#039;Zinn was a consistent advocate of Marxist-Leninist doctrine [not true]throughout his career, and it is amazing that his teachings — his anti-American history – are so popular nearly two decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union. America won the Cold War, but the Communists won the campuses.&#039;
he was not an advocate of
marxist-leninist&#039; doctrine. read &#039;passionate declarations&#039; chapter &#039;communism and anit-communism&#039; to see how he outright denounces stalin, lenin, trotsky behavior after the bolshevik revolution. his teachings aren&#039;t anti-american. your ideological bias is so skewed it hurts. have you read an american history text book? he contrasts a different perspective of american history while condemning that it&#039;s been largely ignored by academic institutions. academia is so far right wing i&#039;m not sure how you missed it. except that you cite david horowitz (the guy who said ron paul and his supporters are anti-american, while glenn beck called them terrorists). pathetic. your misunderstanding of communism is laughable. howard zinn is definitely a socialist and readily admitted that, but a communist advocate of the soviet union... not even close. i feel sorry for anyone who buys into this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha. this is great propaganda. using the blanket excuse that everything he did was a front for communism is ridiculous. he was an outspoken critic of the soviet union and china. he appreciated the views of marx, but vehemently believed that the soviets and chinese betrayed his ideals.</p><p>opposing the mundt-nixon bill is an affirmation of the 1st, 4th, 14th amendments. for all intents and purposes, this action is incredibly patriotic and devoid of exploitation. this has nothing to do with communism.</p><p>having a photo of zinn &#8216;teaching a class on Communist doctrine&#8217; is the dumbest thing i&#8217;ve ever read. &#8216;clincher&#8217;? not even close. was he holding a sign that read &#8216;i&#8217;m a commie teaching communism&#8217;? i think not. also, i&#8217;m in a political ideologies class this semester, and guess what part of our study material is&#8230; communism. does that mean that my professor is a communist, or that we&#8217;re learning how to become communists? absolutely not.</p><p>then you list wikipedia as a source and we&#8217;re still supposed to take you seriously.</p><p>&#8216;Zinn admittedly associated with numerous groups that the FBI considered to be communist, and the bureau cited several informants who identified Zinn as a member of the Communist Party.&#8217; hearsay does not hold up in a court of law. the fbi (the organization that killed black panther members and did nothing to protect blacks and civil rights activists) considered some of the groups he &#8216;associated&#8217; with to be communist, and there were informants. this is mind-numbingly not credible.</p><p>&#8216;One reason that McCarthy’s was sometimes unable to publicly substantiate his accusations was that he relied on secret information passed along by the FBI.&#8217; &#8211; because it was bullshit.</p><p>the kirschner obituary is somewhat compelling in that it&#8217;s meaningless conjecture. try again. even if it&#8217;s the same person, you&#8217;re passing off unsubstantiated propaganda as evidence of something that doesn&#8217;t exist.</p><p>then you conclude with this:<br
/> &#8216;What we see in all this, then, is how Zinn’s career forms a major thread in a rope that connects ’60s radicalism back to the Stalinism of the 1940s and ’50s.&#8217; really? you haven&#8217;t expressed anything that even remotely makes that connection.</p><p>&#8216;Zinn was a consistent advocate of Marxist-Leninist doctrine [not true]throughout his career, and it is amazing that his teachings — his anti-American history – are so popular nearly two decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union. America won the Cold War, but the Communists won the campuses.&#8217;</p><p>he was not an advocate of<br
/> marxist-leninist&#8217; doctrine. read &#8216;passionate declarations&#8217; chapter &#8216;communism and anit-communism&#8217; to see how he outright denounces stalin, lenin, trotsky behavior after the bolshevik revolution. his teachings aren&#8217;t anti-american. your ideological bias is so skewed it hurts. have you read an american history text book? he contrasts a different perspective of american history while condemning that it&#8217;s been largely ignored by academic institutions. academia is so far right wing i&#8217;m not sure how you missed it. except that you cite david horowitz (the guy who said ron paul and his supporters are anti-american, while glenn beck called them terrorists). pathetic. your misunderstanding of communism is laughable. howard zinn is definitely a socialist and readily admitted that, but a communist advocate of the soviet union&#8230; not even close. i feel sorry for anyone who buys into this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Intellectual history &#171; The Tiger on Politics</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-26666</link> <dc:creator>Intellectual history &#171; The Tiger on Politics</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-26666</guid> <description>[...] It turns out that the man was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party of the United States &#8212; one so dedicated that he attended Party meetings five times a week and taught their introductory classes on Marxism and Leninism to newly minted party members. What&#8217;s more, he joined the party after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact in 1939 &#8212; pre-1939 members could be excused as idealists in a terrible time. But not Zinn. (Who then lied about it.) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It turns out that the man was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party of the United States &#8212; one so dedicated that he attended Party meetings five times a week and taught their introductory classes on Marxism and Leninism to newly minted party members. What&#8217;s more, he joined the party after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact in 1939 &#8212; pre-1939 members could be excused as idealists in a terrible time. But not Zinn. (Who then lied about it.) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Windy Wilson</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-26519</link> <dc:creator>Windy Wilson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:39:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-26519</guid> <description>Part, if not all of the reason this all seems like ancient history is that the Communist Party won an important victory when it managed to arouse the people who were more disturbed by the actions of anti-communists than by the actions of communists. I suppose it was seen as somehow unAmerican to be so agitated about mere politics. As a consequence, after about 1960, the FBI stopped infiltrating mere Communist groups and began to infiltrate groups that were actively making bombs.
The only bombs Zinn made were figurative, and would take effect in the minds of his students.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part, if not all of the reason this all seems like ancient history is that the Communist Party won an important victory when it managed to arouse the people who were more disturbed by the actions of anti-communists than by the actions of communists. I suppose it was seen as somehow unAmerican to be so agitated about mere politics. As a consequence, after about 1960, the FBI stopped infiltrating mere Communist groups and began to infiltrate groups that were actively making bombs.<br
/> The only bombs Zinn made were figurative, and would take effect in the minds of his students.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Windy Wilson</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-52273</link> <dc:creator>Windy Wilson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-52273</guid> <description>Part, if not all of the reason this all seems like ancient history is that the Communist Party won an important victory when it managed to arouse the people who were more disturbed by the actions of anti-communists than by the actions of communists. I suppose it was seen as somehow unAmerican to be so agitated about mere politics. As a consequence, after about 1960, the FBI stopped infiltrating mere Communist groups and began to infiltrate groups that were actively making bombs.
The only bombs Zinn made were figurative, and would take effect in the minds of his students.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part, if not all of the reason this all seems like ancient history is that the Communist Party won an important victory when it managed to arouse the people who were more disturbed by the actions of anti-communists than by the actions of communists. I suppose it was seen as somehow unAmerican to be so agitated about mere politics. As a consequence, after about 1960, the FBI stopped infiltrating mere Communist groups and began to infiltrate groups that were actively making bombs.<br
/> The only bombs Zinn made were figurative, and would take effect in the minds of his students.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nick Shaw</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-26474</link> <dc:creator>Nick Shaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:32:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-26474</guid> <description>The problem is, of course, progressives will say that&#039;s all ancient history. What with half of Hollywood currently following the party line, America bad, socialism good, not to mention 98% of the Dims (50% of Repubs too) in Congress all this story will generate is a big yawn from the MSM. So quickly Americans forget, Communists, socialists and progressives are prepared to eat their own, after they eat yours.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, of course, progressives will say that&#8217;s all ancient history. What with half of Hollywood currently following the party line, America bad, socialism good, not to mention 98% of the Dims (50% of Repubs too) in Congress all this story will generate is a big yawn from the MSM. So quickly Americans forget, Communists, socialists and progressives are prepared to eat their own, after they eat yours.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nick Shaw</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-52271</link> <dc:creator>Nick Shaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-52271</guid> <description>The problem is, of course, progressives will say that&#039;s all ancient history. What with half of Hollywood currently following the party line, America bad, socialism good, not to mention 98% of the Dims (50% of Repubs too) in Congress all this story will generate is a big yawn from the MSM. So quickly Americans forget, Communists, socialists and progressives are prepared to eat their own, after they eat yours.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, of course, progressives will say that&#8217;s all ancient history. What with half of Hollywood currently following the party line, America bad, socialism good, not to mention 98% of the Dims (50% of Repubs too) in Congress all this story will generate is a big yawn from the MSM. So quickly Americans forget, Communists, socialists and progressives are prepared to eat their own, after they eat yours.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stacy on Zinn: The sequel &#171; DaTechguy&#39;s Blog</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-26464</link> <dc:creator>Stacy on Zinn: The sequel &#171; DaTechguy&#39;s Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:03:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-26464</guid> <description>[...] communist, history, howard zinn, robert stacy mccain, totalitarianism   0  Following up on his first rate post on Howard Zinn this weekend Stacy puts up a new article at the American Spectator:  Revelation of [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] communist, history, howard zinn, robert stacy mccain, totalitarianism   0  Following up on his first rate post on Howard Zinn this weekend Stacy puts up a new article at the American Spectator:  Revelation of [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Red Pawn &#171; The Camp Of The Saints</title><link>http://theothermccain.com/2010/07/31/fbi-files-reveal-historian-howard-zinn-lied-to-hide-cpusa-membership/comment-page-2/#comment-26457</link> <dc:creator>Red Pawn &#171; The Camp Of The Saints</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theothermccain.com/?p=11611#comment-26457</guid> <description>[...] do take the time to read Stacy&#8217;s TAS summary.  And then, I would urge you to read the posting at his site which goes into much more of the details of the file.  From that latter posting: What we see in [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] do take the time to read Stacy&#8217;s TAS summary.  And then, I would urge you to read the posting at his site which goes into much more of the details of the file.  From that latter posting: What we see in [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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