Rocky Horror Elementary School

Posted on | December 8, 2013 | 106 Comments

“Equal rights” sounds so wonderful. Who can be against equality?

Yet as Richard Weaver warned us long ago, Ideas Have Consequences, and the sledgehammer logic of “equal rights” brutally dismantles every common-sense objection. Even the most obvious facts — e.g., boys and girls are different — must therefore be suppressed to conform with The Equality Principle. So . . .

Boys who think they are girls have a “right” to use the girl’s restroom (wait for it) in first grade:

In Colorado, transgender people are allowed by law to access public or workplace restrooms designated for the gender that matches their identity. That was affirmed in June when the Colorado Civil Rights Division ruled that a 6-year-old transgender girl, who was born male, could use the facilities for girls in her Fountain school.

School board member Kathy Svenson objected to this policy and is now being demonized as a hater for her objections.

In October, Kathy Shaidle called attention to this quote from a Think Progress writer: “The reality of transgender people is also a great natural and moral truth.” In the secular gospel of political correctness, prejudice and discrimination are the only sins. This is an idea whose consequences are generally underestimated, although the recent madness at a cathedral in Argentina is a good clue of what lies ahead.

“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

Category: Culture, Education, Gays

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106 Responses to “Rocky Horror Elementary School”

Dana
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:00 pm

Miss Deeley wrote:

How about we slow down, and not be so eager to force a 6 year old into a sexual identity?

We have not. Rather, God or Mother Nature or evolution, whomever you choose to believe, set the genetic and physical conditions for being male or female. Those things are simply facts, and no amount of wishing and hoping and praying is going to change those facts.
Dana
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:02 pm

[laughter] It is those who would actually advocate performing “gender reassignment surgery” on children who are advocating castration. That is what male-to-female “gender reassignment surgery” is, you know.
JeffM
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:24 pm

Actually. Mr. Mous, you are distorting what the woman said. She said, according to the article cited, that all such boys SHOULD be castrated. This has nothing to do with what the author of the article believes or whether the law of Colorado is absurd (which it is). This is about some woman on a school board advocating the maiming of small children. Now you may be in favor of that, but I am not ashamed of removing from the school board a woman who wants to take a knife to small children. Good luck with persuading normal voters that you are on the side of the angels when you defend such members of the school board. Anyone advocating cutting healthy organs off small children is on the side of the demons.
DaveO
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:25 pm

Who are the parents of the 6-year old? To which faith do they belong? 6 year old children are not transgender. If they are intelligent, they may be able to write and recognise their own name. This 6 year old is just a tool for his parents and their progressive friends to destroy society. Wait 10 years and see if this ‘girl’ isn’t a ‘lesbian.’

Doing an internet search, one finds a wealth of information:

http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Regret_after_Sex_Reassignment_Surgery_in_a_Male-to-Female_Transsexual__A_Long-Term_Follow-Up.pdf

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/research

http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/11/25/presenting-as-female-or-male-glsens-model-school-district-policy-for-children/
Anon Y. Mous
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:29 pm

Well, let’s get to the bottom of it. Please provide the quote where she said what you say she said. It certainly isn’t in the linked article.
Quartermaster
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:31 pm

Swiper misses the point anyway you look at it. There is no such thing as a “transgender.” You’re born male or female and it shows in the chromosomes. The idea that some one can “transgender” is simply a way of treating someone that is insane as though they are sane.
Anon Y. Mous
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:36 pm

Perhaps all the fuss is about this quote:

“Massachusetts and California have passed laws relating to calling a student, irrespective of his biological gender, letting him perform as the gender he thinks he is, or she is,” Svenson said. “I just want to emphasize, not in this district. Not until the plumbing’s changed. There would have to be castration in order to pass something like that around here.”

That statement does not advocate castration. What is does say is only those who have actually made the change to their plumbing will be considered transgendered. If they want to get the “benefits” of transforming themselves, they have to have actually gone through with it.

Link for quote:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/colorado-school-board-member-says-transgender-students-require-castration-for-acceptance/
DaveO
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:38 pm

It’s Colorado, aka California, the Rockies Edition. This is why one can never allow Californians to move. Once they arrive you can never have nice things again.
Anon Y. Mous
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:41 pm

I agree. But, I can see making certain accommodations for people who have actually gone through the surgery as opposed to those who have merely started wearing different clothing. I say this just for practicality’s sake. If someone actually have the modified plumbing, it becomes more difficult to enforce the old rules.
Anon Y. Mous
December 8th, 2013 @ 4:44 pm

That is why I brought up the bias of the author. The actual quotes don’t say anything that most people would disagree with. So, the stuff that would get people to disagree with Svenson are not quotes, but rather just the author’s interpretations of what she said.
SwiperTheFox
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:00 pm

What I was trying to say is that as a transgender person I do not believe that I have a right to force women to let me into their bathrooms.

And for the government to force those women against their will to have me and others in their bathrooms is pretty bad.

And, honestly, I don’t think those two views of mine there are anything other than common sense.
JeffS
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:00 pm

You are quoting out of context,JeffM. Or deliberately misquoting. Either way, you are debating dishonestly.
SwiperTheFox
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:01 pm

Except that your view is regarded as wrong by the consensus of doctors, nurses, scientists in the area, and so on.

Also, this is honestly a side point.

What I choose to do in my personal life in my own home is different than the stupidity of people demanding to use women’s restrooms against their will.
SwiperTheFox
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:04 pm

>(I suspect you know that already…I mention it for the benefit of someone else).

Who is that person?

I ask genuinely because I’m curious, not to be sarcastic or accusatory.
SwiperTheFox
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:05 pm

Exactly.

We must let children be children.

For Pete’s sake, when I was this age, I was talking on and on to people how my passion in life was to be a big city Taxi Driver. Like it would be my goal in life.

It’s a more silly example, but how many odd and offbeat things do kids say? Very many!
SwiperTheFox
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:08 pm

I find it freaky to apply any of those categories to children. Adults do what they do. Let children be children.
Quartermaster
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:14 pm

Consensus does not determine truth, the facts do. There is no such thing as a transgender because nothing is changed that matters. Even having the surgery changes nothing. It’s cosmetic, but they remain the same sex they always were. When you can change the genes, let me know. Then we’ll have something to discuss. Until then, your simply talking insanity.
SwiperTheFox
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:15 pm

Your first link states that “Lawrence (2003) found only a few occasional regrets in her study of 232 MF transsexuals after SRS, despite the fact that more than two thirds were aged 40 years or older at the time of SRS, two thirds had been married to a female, and nearly half had been biological parents. However, the participants in Lawrence’s study were well adjusted and characterized by personal and social stability contrary to the case under discussion. Tony had been hampered since early childhood by psychiatric symptoms”.

The authors argue that most people that are transgender do not have regrets the vast majority of the time, but people with high amounts of mental illness for things distinct to sex and gender that have transgender surgery do have regrets sometimes.
Quartermaster
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:15 pm

It becomes more difficult to enforce the rules because there is no moral courage. Anyone that accepts the facts, in that case, is simply H8er rather than being sane.
SwiperTheFox
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

I’m not disagreeing with you that children should avoid having to be pigeonholed and made to have all of this stuff done to them.

But your link is not relating directly to what you’re saying.

Your link is about adults, and it says that most transgender people do not have regrets unless they have mental illness problems first.
JeffM
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

No. I am not debating dishonestly. I quoted accurately from the article that was cited. I did not leave out context that was in the article. The article itself mischaracterized what the woman actually said. Mr. Mous told me to research her actual words. I have now done so and found that I have been misled by a tendentious article. I was mistaken, which is not the same as being dishonest. My comments before this one were wrong.
SwiperTheFox
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:24 pm

If someone looks female in every sense, sounds female, behaves female, identifies as female, has the brain chemistry of a female, and totally has nothing whatsoever to do with masculinity besides genes, are you seriously going to act like she is the same as John Q. Everyman?
Bob Belvedere
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:31 pm

Excuse me if I doubt your contrition.

You are a Leftist. To be a Leftist, you must reject the belief in Absolute Truth. Leftism is based on the idea that Reality can be re-engineered, that A can be made into B and no longer be A. Therefore, the Leftist is free to use any kind of deception, any lie, to achieve his ends [‘by any means necessary’ is the mantra].

For the non-Leftist, the best and most effective policy is to believe every word [including ‘and’ and ‘the’] are lies.
Quartermaster
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:32 pm

If I have genetic tests sitting before me, and those tests say the “she” is male, then “she” has a very serious problem. Not me, “she” does.

The rest of your post fails at that point.
Anon Y. Mous
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:32 pm

If someone calls the cops, when the cops respond, it is a fairly simple matter to just check what’s between the perp’s legs. To check the chromosomes is more complicated and likely impractical in most situations.

Now, you come up with an easy test, like the way a breathalyser can be used to check alcohol levels, and I would consider changing my mind, depending on how practical it would be for every beat cop to have the test equipment on his person or in his patrol vehicle.
Bob Belvedere
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:33 pm

Also, A is always A.

You can call it B all you want, but it will always be A – to deny this, is to deny Reality, to reject Truth.
Bob Belvedere
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:36 pm

Please don’t tar the whole state – it’s only the big cities and their attached suburbs that have a Leftist infection problem.

Same in New Hampshire, where the lower third is justifiably called ‘Massholia’.
JeffM
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:37 pm

And you know I am a leftist how?
Quartermaster
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:40 pm

It doesn’t matter my friend. If I know someone has had cosmetic surgery to look like a female, then I don’t need the test.
Anon Y. Mous
December 8th, 2013 @ 5:50 pm

True. But, in order to enforce the law, you would need to get a cop out to your location to make the arrest. Assuming the perp claims to be a female, and has had the surgery, how does the cop determine if a crime has been committed? How does the cop know whether an arrest should be made? Just relying on the word of someone who claims to know that the subject used to be a man makes it entirely too easy to harass an innocent person. If an arrest can be made on that basis, then we would have a situation where someone would be arrested, taken into custody and potentially not being able to win their freedom until the results of a blood test comes back.
tlk244182
December 8th, 2013 @ 6:29 pm

I didnt get the impression she was calling for the kid to be castrated. She was merely trying to make the point that boys should use the boys room.
Zohydro
December 8th, 2013 @ 6:34 pm

Addatwatomy…
Zohydro
December 8th, 2013 @ 6:39 pm

Same in Maine and New York…
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Quartermaster
December 8th, 2013 @ 7:00 pm

You seem to be making the assumption tat I’m on teh hunt for such people. I’m not.

OTOH, if I were in authority then such people would not be allowed to use the facilities set aside for the sex they are not a part of. I would have to have personal knowledge of the person in question. Under normal circumstances unless the person is parading it in front of the world, there is no reason for me know about their insanity.
Anna
December 8th, 2013 @ 7:18 pm

Chromosome testing cannot be used to determine sex reliably.

Clinical and Genetic Study of a XX (SRY negative) Male.
46, XX males are distinct from XX true hermaphrodite and have a male habitus, small testes, azoospermia with no evidence of uterus or ovaries [3,4]. The incidence is about 1 in 20,000 – 25,000 male births.
http://www.priory.com/med/xx.htm

Xy females
Patients: A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/
Dianna Deeley
December 8th, 2013 @ 8:16 pm

Oh, shut up. I was born in California. I live in California. I am a conservative.

It’s your damned relatives who fled here who have ruined my state, and then, when realizing they’ve ruined the state, flee to wreck others.
jakee308
December 8th, 2013 @ 8:17 pm

Once people began to agree with the “not that there’s anything wrong with that”, we were doomed.

Once accepting that unacceptable behavior was now acceptable, the conclusion was foregone.

Homosexuality is not acceptable behavior, it is not in the interest of civilization nor is it sane and rational behavior. It is DEVIANT and needs to punished or treated as DEVIANT in all it’s forms of PRACTICE.

Once any part of sexual deviancy is accepted as “normal” then the barriers to other deviancy are weakened. (as we’ve seen happen).

Some may say that’s too harsh or blind to “reality” and I say; “look what your view has done to the country”.

Perhaps there can be degrees of practice that deserve less than corporal or capital punishment but I wouldn’t be the one to draw the line.

They are definitely signs of mental defect and should be treated as such no matter who they are committed by under any circumstances.
Dianna Deeley
December 8th, 2013 @ 8:19 pm

I think I don’t have enough time in my life for the utter stupidity there. If she actually (rather than caustically) advocated any such thing as castration, she is clearly mentally ill. However, from the article, she was engaging in hyperbole, not seriously suggesting castration.
Dianna Deeley
December 8th, 2013 @ 8:23 pm

In other words, she was engaging in hyperbole, illustrating the absurd with an absurd escalation of action, not advocating castration.

But some people are determined to turn that into “advocating the castration of 6 year old boys who might want to be little girls”. Which is, if you start thinking about it, so absurd as to defy belief.
Dianna Deeley
December 8th, 2013 @ 8:25 pm

I am simply aghast that anyone would assign the identity of “transgender” to a six year old. I was trying to be as restrained in my language as possible.
Dianna Deeley
December 8th, 2013 @ 8:33 pm

When did we become able to sample brain chemistry? We can use some scanners to watch electrical activity, which does definitely imply certain chemical interactions, but I do not remember reading anything that indicated we could sample the brain chemistry of a living person in real-time?

I’m not tracking brain research as closely as I used to, so just give me a link to a summary.
Dianna Deeley
December 8th, 2013 @ 8:37 pm

Interesting, but this has nothing to do with the person being “transgendered” or not. That’s the difficult thing – transgender is a chosen identity; chromosomal oddity is just that.
JeffM
December 8th, 2013 @ 8:58 pm

No, she was not dealing in hyperbole. People who deal in hyperbole better be ready to accept the consequences because there is no way to tell whether a person is being hyperbolic or not. Denying you meant something by saying you were being hyperbolic or metaphorical or whatever is a cheap cop-out. When Obama said “you did not build that,” is there any question that he was denigrating what individuals do and giving credit to the taking class? He can try to parse around it all he wants, but he said what he said.

In fact, the situation is far worse than Mr. McCain indicated. What the woman said was completely and deliberately misrepresented to make her seem like a demented knife-wielding idiot. She did not advocate castration as the article explicitly stated. If she had said that, I would have stood by my comments. But she did not say anything like that, and so I retracted my comments.
Dianna Deeley
December 8th, 2013 @ 9:07 pm

The fact that you could not spot a rhetorical device (and a classical one, at that) from ten paces is not my problem. It’s yours.

Obama’s “you did not build that” was a poorly used rhetorical device, not a correctly deployed example of hyperbole.

That you have finally stopped being an overly-serious dip about it is lovely, but, please, consider that no one who is not mentally ill is going to ever, for public consumption, advocate castrating school children. The article was simply the product of a propagandist counting on the humorless and undereducated minds of his readers.

Try not to be that gullible in the future.
Zohydro
December 8th, 2013 @ 10:19 pm

Yes! Let us not confuse rare intersex conditions with the freak show what is transgenderism/transvestitism…
JeffM
December 8th, 2013 @ 11:49 pm

There WAS no rhetorical device. The women was simply said to have said something that she never said. You are the one trying to defend as rhetoric something that was not even said. I see no point in trying to defend calls for castration when there wasn’t one.
Anna
December 9th, 2013 @ 7:55 am

Several comments have mentioned chromosomal testing. I am not trying to confuse the issue, rather make the point that testing is not reliable. There are several million people just in this country with chromosome disorders as there are more then just the two types of variations. Here is an example from AU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPY28QW4T4E
rsmccain
December 9th, 2013 @ 8:09 am

ICYMI: Rocky Horror Elementary School http://t.co/flUHE8Yj88
NASCARNAC
December 9th, 2013 @ 8:11 am

A Seinfeld reference! #priceless RT @rsmccain: ICYMI: Rocky Horror Elementary School http://t.co/KBzOnofXR4