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Everybody Hates Cathy Brennan: Troll Under the Bridge on the Crazyville Road

Posted on | January 4, 2014 | 96 Comments

The unstable isotope of insanity that is feminism reached critical mass a few months ago when radical feminist Cathy Brennan threatened legal action against the socialist magazine Jacobin, which published an article by Samantha Allen that included this:

A small but vocal band of activists known as “Radfems” see transgender women like myself as a blight on the feminist movement, but — because their views are not representative of the feminist movement as a whole — many trans-inclusive feminists refer to them as TERFs, or Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists.
The chief TERF figurehead is a Maryland attorney named Catherine Brennan who once served as a liaison on the American Bar Association’s Commission on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity. In July of 2012, a petition circulated to have Brennan removed from that position because, to put it mildly, she flatly rejected the “Gender Identity” half of her job description.
Apart from a sordid internet history of harassing, misgendering, and mocking trans people, Brennan co-authored a letter with Elizabeth Hungerford to the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women, to argue against — yes, against — legal protections based on “gender identity or expression.”

Yeah, she’ll sue you: “Catherine Brennan, whose views are critiqued in the essay as being transphobic, has instructed her lawyer David Diggs to prepare litigation against Jacobin magazine.”

Truth is an unassailable defense, however, and it is difficult to answer “no” to the question, “Is Cathy Brennan transphobic?”

Among other things, Brennan has engaged in “doxing” transgenders, most notoriously a 17-year-old high school student, a June 2012 incident that inspired one advocate to write:

Cathy Brennan you potentially jeopardised this youths life to satisfy your hate of all people diverse.
I have resisted in the past contacting your law firm and exposing you as the vile monster you are, but you are really really trying my desire to remain above your contemptuous behaviour. Quit this Brennan or I will.
You are despicable Cathy Brennan. I will tell you that to your face. Use that for your next screen grab.

Is that as bad as it gets? Actually, no. While attending a July 2012 radical feminist conference in Oregon, Brennan sent this photo to a transgender journalist named  Marti Abernathey:

Brennan’s transphobic zeal is, at some level, entirely rational.

That is to say, once you buy a ticket on the baby-killing man-hating lesbian feminist express bus to Crazyville, it makes perfect sense. A transgender porn performer named Drew Deveaux coined the term “cotton ceiling” to describe the division between genetic women (called “ciswomen”) and “transwomen”:

Basically, it means that cis queer women will be friends with us and talk day and night about trans rights and ending transmisogyny, but will still not consider us viable sexual partners.
The term cotton ceiling is a reference to the “glass ceiling” that second wave feminist identified in the workforce, wherein women could only advance so high in the workforce but could not break through into positions of power and authority. The cotton represents underwear, signifying sex.
The theory of the cotton ceiling is useful in identifying the dynamic trans women are experiencing, and is meant to open up conversation around desirability’s intersections with transmisogyny and transphobia.

Ri-iiight. If you were a radical lesbian feminist, wouldn’t you be angry about this? This wasn’t the trip you signed up for, after all. By blurring the line between male and female, transgenderism challenges your radical feminist commitment to man-hating.

To combat this existential threat to her radical worldview, Brennan created an anti-transgender blog called “Pretendbians,” which is funny as hell, if you’re a right-wing sexist homophobe like me. As a lesbian feminist, Brennan feels she is at liberty to say stuff about trannies that would make Fred Phelps blush with shame.

Transgender “inclusion” is the trendy left-wing cause now, so everybody hates Cathy Brennan, e.g., feminist Aaminah Khan:

Cathy Brennan . . . is a lesbian radical feminist who’s made it her life goal to stalk, humiliate and endanger the lives of trans women, whom she believes are “fake” women trying to destroy feminism by infiltrating it. . . .
Cathy Brennan is a despicable human being, and if she hates you, you know you’re doing something right.

The anti-Brennan backlash has gathered such momentum that when Brennan went to court against black feminist Phylicia Sampson, the latter was able to raise more than $4,500 for her legal defense:

Revolutionaries always end up fighting each other this way. The feminist movement has clearly reached a stage analogous to Stalin’s NKVD sending Ramon Mercader to assassinate Leon Trotsky. And of course, there is the “white privilege” accusation:

Sorry You’re A Vanillacentric
Privileged Trans Oppressor

. . . Why should the trans community have respect for a group of racist white radical feminists who have attacked our humanity and femininity for four decades with deleterious effects on our lives?  . . .
[Brennan] also published the pre-transition names of trans feminine activists who have called out her vile behavior, used her access to the legal system as an attorney to frack with the legal gender change of another trans critic . . .
Oh yeah, did I forget to mention she was on the opposing side when Baltimore County, MD was debating passing trans human rights coverage? . .
Trans community, you cannot ignore in the vain hope she will go away someone who has the access to policy making tables that Brennan has and the willingness to use it against us. It’s a dangerous combination when you have a trans bigot willing and unrepentantly able to not only express anti-trans attitudes, but is actively working to inject them into policies that will have deleterious effects upon the entire trans community not only here in the United States but around the world.

Yes, that’s it: Welcome to the transgender Two-Minute Hate, with Cathy Brennan in the role of feminism’s Emmanuel Goldstein.

How much further down the Crazyville Road can these radical moonbats travel before they begin killing each other in the manner of Cambodia, Yugoslavia or Rwanda? When that happens, I’m sure, they’ll find a way to blame it on the heteronormative patriarchy.

But all we ever wanted was for them to fix us sandwiches . . .

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96 Responses to “Everybody Hates Cathy Brennan: Troll Under the Bridge on the Crazyville Road”

  1. souperfan2012
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:23 pm

    RT @smitty_one_each: TOM Everybody Hates Cathy Brennan: Troll Under the Bridge on the Crazyville Road http://t.co/99EjDj8tzw #TCOT

  2. DaveO
    January 4th, 2014 @ 3:43 pm

    Guess Brennan believes she’s won. Usually the victors prey on their allies after winning.

  3. PatDissent
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:15 pm

    Wait…wait…whoa… back up. That picture wasn’t a guy? That was a chick? Well, butter my buns and call me a biscuit, what is the world coming to…

    Besides the usual rampaging hypocrisy of Liberals, that is. I would be barbecued in a New York second if I expressed .000000000000000001% of the “hatred” being expressed in this Ultimate Lezbo-Transbo-to-the-Death Cage MegaMatch™ So why are we, as God-fearing Christians not pointing out the rampaging hypocrisy by calling them on the carpet?

    After all, bullshit “hate” speech is still “hate” speech.

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    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:17 pm

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  5. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:20 pm

    So guys, if you think you may be a lesbian trapped in a male body, just be aware that many lesbians won’t do ya if you get transgendered.

    Measure twice, cut never!

  6. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:21 pm
  7. richard mcenroe
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:26 pm

    Here, on the other hand, is a woman Stacy would like. Oh, not approve of, of course… but like.

    http://deadspin.com/flying-bama-mom-attacked-ou-fan-in-front-of-her-kids-1494155250

  8. richard mcenroe
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:27 pm

    We’d have called them on the carpet, but it’s a mess, it’s all munched to hell up…

  9. richard mcenroe
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:30 pm

    Feminists are bent out of shape by this, so they have to demonize trans as dick-wielding patriarchs to avoid the fact there is someone even MORE “progressive” than they are and thus possessed of even MORE “unassailable moral authority.”

  10. Dianna Deeley
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:50 pm

    So, she’s finally been unpleasant enough that someone bothered to take notice?

    You’re right that it’s all crazy. The thing that gets me is that this woman seems simply to be unkind – and the only thing that makes her feel good at all is hating someone she’s offended. What an awful way to go through life!

  11. TC_LeatherPenguin
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:57 pm

    It’s “sammiches,” dammit! Just like 5a’s in “raaaaacist!”

  12. Steve Skubinna
    January 4th, 2014 @ 4:58 pm

    I wanted to be a lesbian. Failed the physical.

  13. DaveO
    January 4th, 2014 @ 5:00 pm

    Eh, looks like she fumbled while walking. And from behind. Boomer Sooners.

  14. richard mcenroe
    January 4th, 2014 @ 5:04 pm

    Two points emerge from this:
    1. MD is even more fucked up than we thought.
    2. Just to be clear, the people actually using the power of the state against transgenders are PROGRESSIVES.

  15. OfficialPro
    January 4th, 2014 @ 5:09 pm

    Insanity usually begets more insanity. What is in the water in Maryland (or any other blue state or blue college, for that matter)?

    If you didn’t know any better, you’d think you were reading a “radical right wing christian” opinion when reading what Brennan has to say about trans women. And that is so hilarious, because it means Brennan has become what she hates the most. The irony is palpable.

  16. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    January 4th, 2014 @ 5:14 pm

    http://batshitcrazynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ku-xlarge-1.gif

    Hey, under the right circumstances anyone can go nuts. She has a nice butt and decent stadium diving form for a middle aged mom. Roll Tide!

  17. Steve 2
    January 4th, 2014 @ 5:17 pm

    Must admit I’d never heard of Cathy Brennan.

    However, why did you post a picture of John Lithgow holding up a sign saying “sorry about your dick”?

  18. rustypaladin
    January 4th, 2014 @ 5:22 pm

    Wait, you mean they won’t fall for that one? Darn it!

  19. Matthew W
    January 4th, 2014 @ 5:56 pm

    John Lithgow in “Garp?”

  20. alohasteve
    January 4th, 2014 @ 6:07 pm
  21. badanov
    January 4th, 2014 @ 6:08 pm

    You have a pretty good batting average, RSM, and occasionally, you knock one out of the park. This one went deep right field FTW.

  22. anonanon
    January 4th, 2014 @ 6:31 pm

    this was in the sidebar of the article. WTF?

  23. JeffWeimer
    January 4th, 2014 @ 6:44 pm

    Lithgow in Garp maybe?

  24. Adjoran
    January 4th, 2014 @ 6:46 pm

    Sadly, hate is all that is left once you define your humanity down to some narrow construct of self-perceived “identity” which entitles you to view everyone else as the enemy.

  25. Adjoran
    January 4th, 2014 @ 6:47 pm

    Brett Kimberlin bathes in Maryland water.

    Coincidence? You be the judge!

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  27. RhymesWithRight
    January 4th, 2014 @ 7:06 pm

    I’m open to discussion as to whether or not Brennan’s opinions are correct. But it is undeniable that her conduct is not.

  28. ib1netmon
    January 4th, 2014 @ 7:11 pm

    My recommendation would be to arm both sides.

  29. bridget
    January 4th, 2014 @ 7:15 pm

    So Cathy Brennan is a chick who likes to have sex with chicks, but the “trans community” refuses to believe that she as any basis to believe that a dude with a chopped-off dick, a new name, and silicone in his chest is – shocker – still a dude?

    Call me crazy, but wouldn’t a lesbian be a good authority on whether or not a man who has undergone sexual reassignment surgery is still a man?

  30. DavidD
    January 4th, 2014 @ 7:16 pm

    Why does the American Bar Association need a Commission on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity?

  31. bridget
    January 4th, 2014 @ 7:43 pm

    Oh! New term for lesbians who don’t want to have sex with men who got surgery: cis-sexist!

    http://feministing.com/2012/06/28/enough-with-i-date-women-and-trans-men/

    I’m not kidding.

  32. rmnixondeceased
    January 4th, 2014 @ 7:56 pm

    Heh. What does one expect when homonormative transwoman activists go to war against … homonormative ciswomen activists. This is so much inside baseball! Kind of like Shi’ites against Sunni’s! Pop some popcorn and settle back, this will be a long and bloody civil war (if we patriarchy privileged are lucky!).

  33. rmnixondeceased
    January 4th, 2014 @ 7:59 pm

    To troll for new tort cases of course!

  34. rmnixondeceased
    January 4th, 2014 @ 8:07 pm

    He drinks it too. Perhaps not the bathwater (though I wouldn’t take any bets on that).

  35. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 8:29 pm

    First, I disagree with most here on just about everything, OK?
    Yes, but you’re not actually Psycho. Not Sociopathic even if Troglodytic. (Some of my best friends are Neanderthal).

    You mock what you don’t understand, and often what you mock deserves it, and far more. The sheer earnestness of some radical feminist discussions over *complete trivialities* deserves to be skewered.

    Meanwhile Feminists like myself are trying to stop things like infibulation, rape culture, women as cattle, the kind of crap that has weak echoes here, but is obscenely overt in places where 9 year old girls are bought and sold. Boys too..

    A lot of the stuff you consider trivial isn’t – but we can discuss that, rationally. You know that some guys really are nasty pieces of work, just as I know some gals are completely out to lunch. But most men aren’t moronic fratboys of the Beavis and Butthead school of philosophy – it’s the ones who are, and those who tolerate it as “not important” that are the problem. A well-applied cluebat can reach the latter.

    As for the terminally earnest ditzes on the distaff side – we’re not *all* like that. Some are though, and maybe we should call them out too as being too full of themselves. Actually, no “maybe” about it.

    But then.. there are the Cathy Brennans. Kooks are one thing, but some are dangerous – the abortion clinic bombers, the Squeaky Fromms. The weapons are lawsuits and libellous letters to employers, schools and family, false claims to the IRS to trigger audits and attempts to get SWAT teams to stage raids. Rarely bullets or bombs.

    If you get burgled when on holiday, make sure the intruders didn’t leave anything – like a few grams of cocaine, or some CDs with kiddy porn. That’s the kind of character assassination you have to watch out for, not 7.62mm hollowpoints, from these kinds of psychos.

    To see the kind of Crazy that is Cathy Brennan – http://bugbrennan.com/2013/12/16/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

    She uses law and libel letters to employers and schools rather than some of her ilk, but they can get you or anyone else into a world of hurt. The only defense the sane majority have is to expose these dangerous loonies.

  36. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 8:51 pm

    Make that “trans exterminating radical feminists” rather than feminists or even radical feminists per se, and you get a +1 insightful.

    But haters gotta hate, if it wasn’t trans, it would be someone else.

    And I mean “exterminating” in the literal sense. As in openly advocating a “Final Solution”.to the problem.

    “The Dionysian solution for women, which is violation of our own Hag-ocratic boundaries, is The Final Solution.”

    “Dionysus sometimes assumed a girl-like form. The phenomenon of the drag queen dramatically demonstrates such boundary violation. Like whites playing “black face,” he incorporates the oppressed role without being
    incorporated in it. In the phenomenon of transsexualism, the incorporation/confusion is deeper. As ethicist Janice Raymond has
    pointed out, the majority of transsexuals are “male to female,” while transsexed females basically function as tokens, and are used by the rulers of the transsexual empire to hide the real nature of the game. In transsexualism, males put on “female” bodies (which are in fact
    pseudofemale).”

    Mary Daly’s Feminist text “GYN/Ecology”

    “Today the Frankenstein phenomenon is omnipresent not only in religious myth, but in its offspring, phallocratic technology. The insane desire for power, the madness of boundary violation, is the mark of necrophiliacs who sense the lack of soul/spirit/life-loving principle
    with themselves and therefore try to invade and kill off all spirit, substituting conglomerates of corpses. This necrophilic invasion/elimination takes a variety of forms. Transsexualism is an
    example of male surgical siring which invades the female world with substitutes.””

    Ibid

    Interview:

    WIE: In Quintessence, your idyllic continent is inhabited by women only, but the rest of the world is inhabited by women and men.

    MD: I didn’t say how many men were there.

    WIE: Which brings us to another question I wanted to ask you. Sally Miller Gearhart, in her article “The Future—If There Is One—Is Female” writes: “At least three further requirements supplement the strategies of
    environmentalists if we were to create and preserve a less violent world. 1) Every culture must begin to affirm the female future. 2)
    Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture. 3) The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately ten percent of the human race.” What do you think about this statement?

    MD: I think it’s not a bad idea at all. If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be
    accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males. People are afraid to say that kind of stuff anymore.

    My own remark:
    Not nearly afraid enough. I have a son. I’d be glad that anyone seriously espousing such views is dead.
    Any mother of a boy child would.

  37. Aaminah Khan
    January 4th, 2014 @ 8:55 pm

    Thanks for the shout-out! 😉

  38. darleenclick
    January 4th, 2014 @ 8:57 pm

    “It’s basing your frame for sexuality on the gender coercively assigned
    to a person by their doctor at birth, not on that person’s actual
    identity”

    This kind of power-play assholery is 3rd degree burn stupid.

  39. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 8:57 pm

    This one gets a +1 Insightful too. You got it.

    There’s many like this, too many to bother about. It’s only the ones who send letters to your employers saying you’re on a sex offenders register etc that you have to worry about.

    Cathy Brennan has already helped put one teenage girl on suicide watch by making false allegations about her in newspapers.

  40. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 9:06 pm

    Yes, Ironic isn’t it?

    They get stick from the Radical Right for being creatures of the Left, and get stick from the Radical Left for being “infiltrators” of the Right.

    Which would be funny, except…

    The book is not the most damaging writing that Raymond has penned. Far worse is a United States federal government commissioned study in the early 1980’s on the topic of federal aid for transsexual people seeking rehabilitation and health services. This paper, not well publicized, effectively eliminated federal and some states aid for indigent and imprisoned transsexuals. It had a further impact on private health insurance which followed the federal government’s lead in disallowing services to transsexual patients for any treatment remotely related to being transsexual, including breast cancer or genital cancer, as that was deemed to be a consequence of treatment for transsexuality.

    A conservative estimate is that this has led to 50,000 premature deaths since then. Only now is this far-left inspired policy being revisited, but now it’s the right who support it. The medical profession has always been against this exclusion, they see too many deaths.

    So if you see changes mandating that this policy be discontinued, it’s not a PC leftist thing, it’s an anti-progressive medical thing. You know, based on facts not “progressive” ideology.

  41. darleenclick
    January 4th, 2014 @ 9:19 pm

    “Meanwhile Feminists like myself are trying to stop things like
    infibulation, rape culture, women as cattle, the kind of crap that has
    weak echoes here, but is obscenely overt in places where 9 year old
    girls are bought and sold. Boys too..”

    Can we take this one at a time?

    Infibulation: Where has Stacy, this site, or indeed any libertarian/classical liberal/conservative even given tacit support to this?

    Rape culture: Doesn’t exist in the USA. If anyone expresses questions when lady “A” sez “I was raped” that question arises specifically because Left-gender-feminists have diluted the term so much no one really knows what is being discussed. Are we talking forceable rape (“rape-rape”) or are we discussing female A having regrets 3/6/24 months later after having consensual sex with a male she met at a party?

    Women as cattle: Please define. Women in the US aren’t nor most of Western Civ. Islamist cultures, yes.

    the kind of crap that has
    weak echoes here: cite/quote please

    but is obscenely overt in places where 9 year old
    girls are bought and sold. Boys too: again, not in US nor most Western Civ. Yet Left-feminists refuse to condemn what happens in *exotic cultures* as it conflicts with Left-dogma that the “disadvantaged” are superior to Western white heteronomative evil exploiters.

  42. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 9:19 pm
  43. darleenclick
    January 4th, 2014 @ 9:23 pm

    There is a great deal of truth to that cartoon, but I don’t believe the author knows just what s/he revealed.

  44. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 9:41 pm

    Infibulation: Where has Stacy, this site, or indeed any
    libertarian/classical liberal/conservative even given tacit support to
    this?

    Nowhere that I’m aware of. I did say we disagree on just about everything, not absolutely everything.

    Rape culture: Doesn’t exist in the USA.

    For another time as it would be a massive derail, but I respectfully and vehemently disagree, and I do mean the kind of thing involving violence and/or drugging.

    Women as cattle: Please define. Women in the US aren’t nor most of Western Civ. Islamist cultures, yes.

    Right. Exactly. You think I should care exactly where it happens? I get really peeved at the inaction of so many US Feminist groups in the face of happenings in Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. No, they’re too busy trying to rectify real but *nowhere near as important* stuff closer to home.

    the kind of crap that has
    weak echoes here: cite/quote please

    Oh crikey, where to begin… can I leave it for later please, this needs answering in length. BTW men get a raw deal too out of this. They’re the ones who are expected to enter burning buildings to rescue others. “Birkenhead Drill”. “Women and Children First”. Kids yes, but women are grown ups. Mothers OK, but old bats like me, past childbearing age, should give up our places for the young uns. We may have to insist at gunpoint, as all the decent men won’t tolerate this.

    Yet Left-feminists refuse to condemn what happens in *exotic cultures*
    as it conflicts with Left-dogma that the “disadvantaged” are superior to
    Western white heteronomative evil exploiters.

    Way to go, Captain Obvious. Of course obvious truths like this are seen as heresy in some quarters.
    There’s some unconscious racism there too – the racism of lowered expectations. “You can’t expect better from them”.
    Well BS and other unladylike adjectives. Men, women, black,white, all human, same standards. “All people are created equal”..

  45. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 9:54 pm

    Some unsubtle misdirection re butch/femme stereotypes that’s deliberate. Body language, dress and definitely hairstyle.

    “They” would be a better word than “S/he”.

  46. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 10:01 pm

    Cis is the opposite of Trans.
    Ask any chemist or Latin scholar.
    CisAtlantic vs TransAtlantic.

    To see why this is not power-play assholery, read stuff like this: It’s unusual, but illustrates the problem more obviously than the usual cases. A difference of degree though, not kind.

    Discordant Sexual Identity in Some Genetic Males with Cloacal Exstrophy Assigned to Female Sex at Birth by Reiner and Gearhart, N Engl J Med. 2004 January 22; 350(4): 333–341.

    RESULTS Eight of the 14 subjects assigned to female sex declared
    themselves male during the course of this study, whereas the 2 raised as
    males remained male. Subjects could be grouped according to their
    stated sexual identity. Five subjects were living as females; three were
    living with unclear sexual identity, although two of the three had
    declared themselves male; and eight were living as males, six of whom
    had reassigned themselves to male sex. All 16 subjects had
    moderate-to-marked interests and attitudes that were considered typical
    of males. Follow-up ranged from 34 to 98 months.

    CONCLUSIONS Routine neonatal assignment of genetic males to
    female sex because of severe phallic inadequacy can result in
    unpredictable sexual identification. Clinical interventions in such
    children should be reexamined in the light of these findings.

    TLDR; – assign a girl as a boy or a boy as a girl, and you blight their lives. Going solely by superficial appearances and “common sense” works well in most cases, but screws up badly in enough so it’s not trustworthy.

  47. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 10:08 pm

    And a bit more. Hopefully this will clarify the situation.

    Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35

    The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male
    direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing
    nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this
    hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of
    belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are
    programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in
    the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes
    place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of
    the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes
    can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in
    trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at
    birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the
    degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that
    social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or
    sexual orientation.

  48. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    January 4th, 2014 @ 10:10 pm

    The moobs threw her.

  49. darleenclick
    January 4th, 2014 @ 10:13 pm

    Zoe, you lumped everything altogether, so that’s why I listed it one point at a time.

    And I am willing to debate on “rape culture” because I do not see mainstream American culture celebrate rape.

  50. Zoe_Brain
    January 4th, 2014 @ 10:15 pm

    And just to make sure that you realise this is about anatomy, not ideology:

    A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. by Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70.

    Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones

    Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041

    The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the
    paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.

    You’re right to question this. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    But here, there is extraordinary evidence, PET and MRI scans, observations of intermediate effects on Intersex kids…

    “Prenatal hormones versus postnatal socialization by parents as determinants of
    male-typical toy play in girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia”
    Pasterski VL, Geffner ME, Brain C, Hindmarsh P, Brook C, Hines M Child Dev 76(1):264-78 2005

    Data show that increased male-typical toy play by girls with CAH cannot be explained by parental encouragement of male-typical toy play.
    Although parents encourage sex-appropriate behavior, their encouragement appears to be insufficient to override the interest of girls with CAH in cross-sexed toys.