Vote Sodom/Gomorrah 2016!

Posted on | May 13, 2014 | 234 Comments

by Smitty

You can despise Greenwald all you like, but I have the puke-coming-out-my-nose feeling he’s spot-on here:

How do you feel about the early presidential jockeying?
Hillary is banal, corrupted, drained of vibrancy and passion. I mean, she’s been around forever, the Clinton circle. She’s a f_____ hawk and like a neocon, practically. She’s surrounded by all these sleazy money types who are just corrupting everything everywhere. But she’s going to be the first female president, and women in America are going to be completely invested in her candidacy. Opposition to her is going to be depicted as misogynistic, like opposition to Obama has been depicted as racist. It’s going to be this completely symbolic messaging that’s going to overshadow the fact that she’ll do nothing but continue everything in pursuit of her own power. They’ll probably have a gay person after Hillary who’s just going to do the same thing.

I hope this happens so badly, because I think it’ll be so instructive in that regard. It’ll prove the point. Americans love to mock the idea of monarchy, and yet we have our own de facto monarchy. I think what these leaks did is, they demonstrated that there really is this government that just is the kind of permanent government that doesn’t get affected by election choices and that isn’t in any way accountable to any sort of democratic transparency and just creates its own world off on its own.

And. Still. I. Will. Not. Vote. For. Jeb.

Can we emphasize this point enough for the Vichy GOP? No amount of Hillary Angst is going to get votes for the next Dole/McCain/Romney. Especially if non-reformer #4 is Yet Another Bush.

If you want to impress me, Mr. Bush, don’t run. Show that you care about the country, and it’s not about you, by Not Making It About You. Get together with Sarah Palin, tour the country on the Tea Party Express, connect with the people, and support someone else. Get behind the Convention of States in an honest way that will make the Founders smile as they look down from Eternity.

We’ve got 300+ million people in this country. If the only way somebody who is nominally conservative can win a Presidential election is to bear the name ‘Bush’ (as has been the case since 1988) then just screw us to the wall.

I voted Perot in ’92, and I’ll write in the old codger again before I vote for another Bush. Sure, I’m just the one vote, but I’m far from alone. If the Republican party wants to turn the 2016 vote into a suicide pact, Then So Be It.

via ZeroHedge

Category: Hillary Clinton

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234 Responses to “Vote Sodom/Gomorrah 2016!”

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May 14th, 2014 @ 4:48 am

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Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 8:24 am

Not in Dewey’s case. Hoover was a different story.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 8:33 am

I’m not a good administrative bureaucrat, but I have held elective office. My Secretary saved my bacon on more than one occasion as she was the real administrator. My prime job, OTOH, was policy and insuring my subordinates had what they needed to do their job. There were a few things that only I could do, but delegating those things that someone else could do, and do better than me, in most cases, was one of the things that allowed our office to get the job done.
Finding a decent administrative assistant is not all that hard. Finding someone with good principles, and the humility to realize they aren’t god is not so easy. Clinton, Bush and Obama are three good examples of the latter.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 8:36 am

The prime mission of the GOPe is to insure no one else like Reagan ever makes it through the process.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 8:44 am

Not much of a difference. West has held at least two commands, Company and Battalion.
West was allowed to retire than given the boot, and the story behind that is quite educational. It had nothing to do with incompetence, and everything to do with taking care of those under his command and fulfilling his mission. because he did it in a non-PC manner, he had his career ended.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 8:46 am

We’ll never know if West will ever be elected again. If he doesn’t run again, then there is no chance.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 8:51 am

Germany and Japan were far different cases than Iraq or Afghanistan. The base cultures are entirely different than either of our two WW2 enemies. Tribal cultures don’t yield nation states. What there is in the middle east was imposed by the colonial powers (with the major exceptions of Iran and Saudi Arabia). We did not change the basic culture of either Germany of Japan, and they were already nation states. Japan for centuries, and Germany, as we know it, for a couple hundred years, although the minor states that were consolidated into the German Empire in the 1870s had long existed and had more in common than any two tribes in Iraq or Trashcanistan.
The best thing we could have done for ourselves is what I suggested earlier. It also would have been better for Iraq and the AFG as well.
Eric Ashley
May 14th, 2014 @ 9:21 am

Adjoran was doing the insulting. Mea culpa.

But lets see if I can explain this to you.

In the short term, your strategy is correct. But over time, it offers no hope of success. My strategy offers a chance of success on the longer term.

Its guaranteed failure vs. a gamble.

Once you accept the obvious, that the Vichy GOP would rather lose than win with a conservative, the logic of a longer-term game becomes much more easy to understand.

Does that help? I’ll be glad to explain further. (not sarcasm).
Eric Ashley
May 14th, 2014 @ 9:25 am

And lets not forget Karl Rove’s backstabbing, and the other RINOs joining in the fun.

When you lose a nomination for your party, you do not go out and tell everyone to vote Democratic!!
Eric Ashley
May 14th, 2014 @ 9:35 am

If being a nutcase is a disqual for being supported after you’ve been nominated, then I see a bright future of Conservatives calling RINOs nutcases.
Eric Ashley
May 14th, 2014 @ 9:37 am

So Jupiter C, when the GOP puts up Zombie Jeff Dahmer, will you do the right thing, and vote for him? Or are you the type of idiot that is complicit in getting the Liberal elected?
Dana
May 14th, 2014 @ 10:20 am

Are you kidding? We couldn’t beat Germany and Japan today, because we anguish over every dead child, over every civilian lost, but in World War II, we won, in part, by destroying their ability to produce, destroying their economies, and killing millions of civilians, men, women and children; we burned to death hundreds of thousands in the fire-bombing raids before we ever got the atomic bomb.

Today? Oh, we’d never do that!
Dana
May 14th, 2014 @ 10:33 am

Mr Ashley wrote:

In the short term, your strategy is correct. But over time, it offers
no hope of success. My strategy offers a chance of success on the
longer term.

The Buffalo Bills once came back from a 32-point deficit, to beat the Houston Oilers 41-38 in a playoff game, but it was practically a miracle; the better strategy is to not get behind in the first place.

Each leftist administration does damage, and conceding an election to the left just means more damage that has to be cleaned up. Just two terms of Barack Hussein Obama has, in effect, locked in the principle that the federal government is ultimately responsible for seeing to it that everyone gets health care. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act itself might bite the dust, which I think it will, because it’s just so unworkable, but it won’t without something else (probably single-payer) replacing it. That’s horrible damage, an amazing expansion of the welfare state, and it won’t be undone, because nobody has been running on repeal only, and going back to no federal guarantees. What we can’t do is concede the Democrats anything, because they’ll just cause more damage which cannot be undone.
Art Deco
May 14th, 2014 @ 11:03 am

You appear severely confused.
Art Deco
May 14th, 2014 @ 11:10 am

Jimmy Carter (engineer, naval officer, and agribusinessman) was not a yahoo. Clinton you could call that, but only due to his peculiarly vulgar upbringing. Neither was any more ‘regional’ than anyone else with roots in a particular place. What made her statement nonsensical is that the system in place antecedent to our madcap primary system did not produce regional candidate or yahoos. The current system privileges candidates who organize well in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Art Deco
May 14th, 2014 @ 11:13 am

No, primary elections date from the Progressive Era, but they were prior to 1952 scattered, unimportant, and commonly mere preference vehicles rather than delegate selectors. It was not until 1976 that the sort of donnybrooks we have today came to be normal. William Scranton’s campaign in 1964 lasted all of six weeks (and he was the runner up). Hubert Humphrey was nominated by the Democratic Convention in 1968 not having entered a single primary.
richard mcenroe
May 14th, 2014 @ 11:53 am

West led a battalion under fire. He was “retired” for being mean to a terrorist.

As recommendations go, we’ve been told to vote for people who have worse.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:37 pm

I lived in SE Ohio during the 2000 and 2004 elections. I voted Constitution in 2004. I don’t know if I’ll be able to do that in ’16 or not in NC. They weren’t on the ballot in 2008 or 2012.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:39 pm

Jimmah Cahtah was a regional Yahoo. He was a naïve puissant.
OTOH, Jimmah, I’m sure, is thanking the God he thinks he serves for Obama rescuing him from the Presidential basement.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:40 pm

Nixon was OK.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:42 pm

Not at all! He’s got his head screwed on quite straight and firmly.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:43 pm

RINOs are nut cases.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:44 pm

Much too short.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:51 pm

The reason no one is running on repeal alone is because both parties are left of center. The GOP started that way while the Dims were a strongly conservative party. After Cleveland, however, the progressives had infiltrated and they gave us Wilson and haven’t looked back since.
When the two major parties are leftist you are going to have a very hard time turning the ship of state back tot eh course it should be on. Frankly, we’ve already gone over the edge of the earth and there will be no going back until the country is serious burned by its stupidity.
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:51 pm

What’s it worth to you?
Quartermaster
May 14th, 2014 @ 12:55 pm

I think his “heartless” quip in 2012 did him in. I won’t vote for him.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 1:58 pm

So you really think a little thing like poor health will stop a beast like Hillary? That’s like thinking a wounded bear in Yellowstone might be safe to feed and pet.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:01 pm

Sarah could beat her ass with the right kind of campaign, but she might have to work at fondling the balls of the RINO Establishment. Which means she won’t have to do anything but tell them to get on board or go straight to hell, and they’ll do the former just to keep from getting left out. Because f Palin seeks the nomination in earnest, nobody is going to stop her.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:04 pm

Santorum was never going to win, and is still never going to win. He’s a big government conservative who will evoke mostly hilarity in the minds of the Democrats.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:07 pm

Your voting rights should be restored. Otherwise, what’s the point of you having served your time? The Democrats are right about that, self-serving though they are to an extent.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:11 pm

And in the meantime, conservatives turn on every candidate that doesn’t toe the line like they should, or who doesn’t meet their bullshit religious criterion. What’s the difference?

We had a chance to vote for a truly conservative candidate in Michele Bachman, but she was a woman, and also wasn’t sufficiently conservative in some regards, so conservatives supported Santorum over her, and we all ended up with Romeny as a result, and conservatives refused to support him as well after they helped insure his nomination.

The media elites don’t have to fire a shot, all they have to do is sit back and watch us destroy ourselves.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:15 pm

Hey I know, if Sarah Palin runs, let’s support Ted Cruz. That way, Chris Cristie will get the nomination. Then we can all sit back and laugh while the media rips into his bloated ass and Hillary wins the election. Any takers?.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:22 pm

In all seriousness, the only person I can see supporting besides Sarah Palin or Miichele Bachmann is-Rand Paul. I don’t agree with hi on everything, but at least we would finally have a candidate who’s not afraid to call bullshit on this bloated military budget that people insist on calling “conservative”, and which is the farthest thing from.

I learned a long time ago, the biggest dick doesn’t necessarily always get the prettiest girl, and that’s true of this insane need to throw money down the military rat hole, which goes more for crony contracts than anything else..
Art Deco
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:23 pm

What ‘bullshit religious criterion’?

The people chuffering about “RINO”s are not making an issue of John McCain’s amorphous protestantism or Mitt Romney’s Mormon affiliations.
Art Deco
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:36 pm

OK concerning what? I would refer you to John Dean’s memoirs, most particularly his description of how decisions were made in the Nixon White House. These comport with accounts given Woodward and Bernstein and Henry Kissinger’s statements to Ron Nessen and others about how Nixon ordinarily did business.William Safire has also offered his assessments. I realize these are some dubious sources, but they do constitute three distinct sets of source material and they are in agreement. Richard Nathan’s scholarly work on the Nixon White House also is in accord with the basic picture.

Nixon had no background in line administration whatsoever and he had some seriously deficient people skills. Haphazard personnel decisions, emotional outbursts (with some serious downstream consequences), bizarre priorities and time use, pantomime meetings wherein Nixon would proceed according to prepared scenarios rather than actually converse with his subordinates or interlocutors, &c. The man had no business attempting to run anything other than his desk.

That aside, he had little or no center of gravity. To the extent that he did, it tended toward the Rockefeller dispensation (even though he and Rockefeller cordially despised each other). He was an ambitious opportunist who returned to political life in 1966 because he was bored practicing law; he should have had the sense to listen to his wife and keep out of it.
Art Deco
May 14th, 2014 @ 2:49 pm

Jimmy Carter won primaries all over the United States in 1976. Just how does he qualify as a ‘regional Yahoo’? How does a respectable bourgeois with an engineering degree from a selective institution (who graduated with a class rank somewhere in the 94th percentile thereof), a man promoted on schedule and selected for service in the nuclear navy, qualify as a ‘yahoo’ at all?
Paul H. Lemmen
May 14th, 2014 @ 3:13 pm

Punishment.
Oh, I can get my voting rights and 2nd amendment rights back. It’ll cost upwards of a quarter million dollars and take between 2-5 years but I can get them back. I cannot afford to, but I could …
Dana
May 14th, 2014 @ 3:41 pm

If her health is bad enough that she knows she’ll collapse on the campaign trail — and even Mrs Clinton will have to campaign for the job — she might choose not to embarrass herself. And her husband will tell her the same thing.
Kevin O'Kelley
May 14th, 2014 @ 4:03 pm

Sorry, but I was talking about the legal definition of marriage, and there is a process defined by the constitution for how that definition is written. Hence, what I wrote was: “On the basis of Lawrence v. Texas, the gay marriage debate is over.” The SCOTUS, various lower courts, and various state courts has decided that the equal protection applies to gays. Laws written otherwise are not constitutional.

It’s done. Reversing it will require packing the court, forcing though another case, and reversing a ruling after only a few years. In other words, it requires conservative justices to sink to the level of the liberal counterparts. I don’t think they will.

In the meantime, the majority of Americans are in favor of gay marriage.
Kevin O'Kelley
May 14th, 2014 @ 4:14 pm

I agree. My number one concern in an election is protecting the Constitution. The race between Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain, was grotesque. One man would ignore the Constitution because he understood what it meant and didn’t agree with it. While the other man would ignore the Constitution because he didn’t understand it.

Some choice.
Kevin O'Kelley
May 14th, 2014 @ 4:18 pm

I’m warming up to Senator Rand Paul, too.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 4:19 pm

I seriously doubt that she’s that unhealthy.
ThePaganTemple
May 14th, 2014 @ 4:26 pm

HaHaHaHa
K-Bob
May 14th, 2014 @ 6:04 pm

Well put.
K-Bob
May 14th, 2014 @ 6:07 pm

I don’t think so. I think the majority of Americans, if given a *proper* poll on the topic would choose to disallow “marriage” except as it’s always been, between one male and one female, both of the age of consent or greater. If asked properly, they’d vastly prefer CIvil Unions, which is exactly where we were headed until a tiny minority of activist judges invoked the tyranny of the minority.

Most Americans don’t give a damn about the issue of who is gay and who isn’t. They just want to be left alone.
K-Bob
May 14th, 2014 @ 6:12 pm

Not buying the big gov accusation (I’ve looked into it, and he’s not much worse than any other conservative). Although he always positions himself as being “for the union worker.” I think it’s mostly strategy (and not very good strategy) on his part to pander to them. In fact, that’s what his current book is evidently about: reclaiming the Reagan Democrats.

But he doesn’t get that you reclaim people by selling them on liberty, not pandering to them.
K-Bob
May 14th, 2014 @ 6:13 pm

Good point. I forgot about that. He didn’t help himself, there.
K-Bob
May 14th, 2014 @ 6:23 pm

Your comment was needlessly confusing. You confused my comment about “arbitrarily” as somehow applying to you, personally, and you tried to make that complaint apply to the “line manager” concept, as it that’s what I meant. It was an obvious non sequitur, and a pointless distraction.

By elevating the qualification of administrative experience above the obviously important experience of managing personnel, logistics, and materiel in a highly volatile situation, you have arbitrarily (and yes, that is an arbitrary elevation of one qualification over many other important ones) limited the field of possible contenders.
Paul H. Lemmen
May 14th, 2014 @ 6:30 pm

Thanks, I needed that!
K-Bob
May 14th, 2014 @ 6:33 pm

I don’t buy off on the tribalism argument. You give them a government, stick around a few years to make them follow it, and tell them if they go off track, they die. We *never* tried that in Iraq (which was a very westernized culture compared to Afghanistan).

Instead Bush tried “nation building”. Fzck that. You hand them a nation and tell them if they screw up, they die. That’s essentially what was expected of the vanquished in war back in WWII, which is why those cultures stuck with the plan, not that they were “civilized.” Our problem today is too many idiots think it’s “bad” to make demands of the vanquished.