‘I Got Him in a Bloody Puddle for You’: Father Beats Gay Teen Molesting Son

Posted on | July 21, 2014 | 104 Comments

Raymond Frolander is an 18-year-old homosexual who was molesting an 11-year-old boy when the boy’s father caught him:

A father who walked in on a man allegedly sexually assaulting his 11-year-old son beat the man to a pulp before calling police to say they could come collect him from a ‘bloody puddle’ on his floor.
The 35-year-old man, who has not been identified, told a 911 dispatcher in the early hours of Friday: ‘I just walked in on a grown man molesting [name redacted]. And I got him in a bloody puddle for you right now, officer.’
Police arrived at the Daytona Beach home in Florida to find Raymond Frolander, 18, unconscious. . . .
When the 911 responder asked the father if any weapons were involved, he said: ‘My foot and my fist’.
‘He is nice and knocked out on the floor for you, I dragged him into the living room,’ the father said. ‘Send an ambulance. He is going to need one.’
The dispatcher asked: ‘Is he still unconscious?’ to which the father responds: ‘Yes… I hit hard, sir.’
He said that Frolander was a ‘damn lucky boy that I love my God’.
The father added: ‘He stood up and his pants were around his ankles and nothing else needed to be said. I did whatever I got a right to do except I didn’t kill him.’
The father had left his home around 1 am to pick up some food and when he returned, heard a strange noise coming from the bedroom, police said.
He pushed open the door and allegedly found Frolander with his pants down performing a sex act on the child.
The boy told investigators he had been playing video games with friends but when they left, Frolander took him to a back room and pulled down his pants. He also said Frolander had been abusing him for three years.

This had been going on since Frolander was 15 and the boy was 8 — and nobody in the media will us the word “gay” about this story.

Had it not been for the fact that the father caught Frolander in the act, with his pants around his ankles, the father would have been accused of homophobia if he had said he didn’t want this creepy gay teenager hanging around with his son. You’re also a bigoted homophobe if you notice that accused child pornographer Matthew Graziotti — a Cub Scout leader! — liked little boys:

A South Daytona elementary teacher and former youth pastor accused of possessing thousands of child pornography images — including some he produced — remained jailed Tuesday, while federal agents continue to investigate the case.
Matthew Graziotti, 42, was arrested [July 14] after FBI agents searched his Edgewater home and found the illegal images on his laptop, according to a criminal complaint filed in Orlando federal court. . . .
Agents began investigating Graziotti in May, when an undercover agent using a peer-to-peer file sharing program downloaded about 140 child pornography images and six videos from him. . . .
A forensic examiner found 8,761 images in one of Graziotti’s computer folders, many of which depicted the sexual abuse of boys, court records said.
In a folder titled “personally known,” Graziotti created 41 subfolders titled with different boys’ names.
Investigators found pictures in one of those folders of Graziotti sexually abusing a boy in his living room in 2012, court records said.
In another folder, examiners found a picture of a boy asleep on Graziotti’s couch, and the child’s shorts were removed so he was exposed, court records said. That picture was taken in May.

Notice both of these cases occurred in Florida, where the state chapter of the ACLU and the state’s largest gay-rights organization last year supported lesbian sex offender Kaitlyn Hunt, who molested a 14-year-old girl. “Emerging awareness.” IYKWIMAITYD.

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Category: Crime, Florida, Gays, Sex

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104 Responses to “‘I Got Him in a Bloody Puddle for You’: Father Beats Gay Teen Molesting Son”

NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 4:21 pm

Not really. It was 1930s Louisiana. Fairly common well through the 1950s.

It still is common among some of the Native peoples.
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 4:23 pm

CrustyB said exactly that above. It’s why I said something.

Guess you weren’t paying attention.
Dana
July 21st, 2014 @ 4:36 pm

No, homosexuality does not equal pedophilia. But homosexuality does equal a significantly increased risk for pedophilia.

It’s kind of like saying that smoking does not cause lung cancer, because not all smokers get lung cancer.
Dana
July 21st, 2014 @ 4:36 pm

Actually, all wife beaters are males, because only males can have wives.
Dana
July 21st, 2014 @ 4:38 pm

RKae wrote:

Women can be wife beaters, as lesbian relationships have abuse like everyone else,

No, women can be girlfriend-beaters, but, regardless of what some cockamamie idiots say, women cannot be wife beaters, because women cannot have wives.
Dana
July 21st, 2014 @ 4:39 pm

Well, of course he is, and that makes everything just peachy-keen, right?
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 4:42 pm

And therefore we should treat all homosexuals as pedophiles?

That takes us right back to where we started.

Because someone is a straight man, they are a potential rapist? At this site we poke fun at that reasoning when it comes up because it’s based on a flawed premise.

So how is that different from calling all homosexuals potential pedophiles?
Art Deco
July 21st, 2014 @ 5:01 pm

That’s Georgia-peachy-keen in our part of the country.

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The gay lobby is abnormally stocked with characters from the advertising business. I do not thing the marketers are going to latch on to this youngster. Kaitlyn Hunt also proved unsalable, due the white trash family culture. Also, paedophiles tend to be lone wolves or connect to each other in prison or online. I tend to doubt the broader homosexual population sees them as bro’s.

The next frontier is age-of-consent-laws, no doubt, but the aim will be to make pederasty a safe avocation. I will wager the strategy will to be to make it seem vulgar (or risible or cruel) for prosecutors to secure indictments for violations of statutory sodomy laws. After they’re not enforced in most jurisdictions for a while, they lobby persuades some vain power drunk judge (or an aspirant pederast – Vaughn Walker type) to annul the laws as ‘unconstitutional’.
Federale
July 21st, 2014 @ 5:09 pm

All homosexuals are child molesters. They are at the San Francisco Pride Parade every year. And the homosexuals do nothing about it.
Vaughan Starr
July 21st, 2014 @ 5:30 pm

Again, Veritas – phobia. Are homosexuals statistically more likely than heterosexuals to prey upon children? Of course in avoiding stating the answer you proclaim it with a bullhorn, because if the answer supported your argument it is obvious to all that that you would shout it from the roof tops.
So, the fact that statistically, more homosexuals than straights prey upon children is irrelevant is it? Well, following that self same logic, the fact that the majority of terrorist atrocities committed around the world are done so by adherents of a particular religion, must also be irrelevant.
Facts matter. The moment you say they do not you are arguing for what is politically correct, not factually so. And that may I say, is very “progressive” of you.
Quartermaster
July 21st, 2014 @ 6:30 pm

I saw what he said. It needed to be emphasized.
RKae
July 21st, 2014 @ 6:52 pm

I’m gonna give you that. Yeah.

I was focused on “modern terminology” because I was dealing with a leftist defender.
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 8:39 pm

Statistics can lie.

I’ve spent decades arguing with my fellow pagans that humans are not causing drastic climate change. A few months ago there was a meta-study that supposedly showed conservatives and libertarians were significantly less intelligent than liberals. And Chicago actually has a dropping crime rate, especially violent crime.

No one should rely on statics as their primary evidence.
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 8:40 pm

As did my reply.
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 8:43 pm

“All homosexuals are child molesters.”

I disagree.

I’ve posted my reasoning above.
richard mcenroe
July 21st, 2014 @ 8:45 pm

What other things specifically
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 8:52 pm

See, that’s the rub.

We don’t have to show the specific things. All we have to do is show that there are homosexuals who are not pedophiles and there are pedophiles who are not homosexuals.

Once we show that those two groups exist and do not overlap, then we must acknowledge that there are other factors involved.
Matthew T. Mason
July 21st, 2014 @ 9:17 pm

That makes no sense at all.
Vaughan Starr
July 21st, 2014 @ 9:29 pm

Boy you like to go off on tangents. Prison numbers are not surveys. For a very tiny percent of the population gays are massively over represented when it comes to sex crimes against children. Indeed, as I have already alluded, a significant percentage of those who identify as being homosexual self state that they were homosexually molested as children. So what to do when the demographic itself reports that it was preyed up as children by that same demographic? Hmmmm?
Quartermaster
July 21st, 2014 @ 9:47 pm

Whatever. Nothing gets through your thick skull, including the obvious.
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 10:22 pm

You really don’t know what’s obvious to me.
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 10:27 pm

Actually it’s the same topic. Statistics can lie.

I’ve got this crazy idea. A person is innocent until proven guilty. Politics don’t matter, sexual preferences don’t matter, skin color doesn’t matter, net worth doesn’t matter, and the state of residence doesn’t matter.

It’s what the individual does that matters, not the statistics.
NeoWayland
July 21st, 2014 @ 10:39 pm

Jews in medieval society were the only ones who lent money because Christians were specifically prohibited from usury. Royalty tolerated them as long as they could get loans. It wasn’t that Jews were evil, it’s just that waging war is expensive.

Your beliefs prohibit homosexuality, so it’s “evil” but not necessarily against the law. Child molestation is against the law, so if all homosexuals are child molesters, then all homosexuals are criminals and should be punished.

But if not all homosexuals are pedophiles and not all pedophiles are homosexuals, then you have no legal reason to punish homosexuals unless they have committed a crime.
Funeral guy
July 22nd, 2014 @ 1:25 am

Hahahaha. That dad is my new hero. He turned that colored twink into a rare hamburger. They should put him in nationwide PSA’s about what can happen to a kid toucher.
daialanye
July 22nd, 2014 @ 2:02 am

The significant other factor is uncontrolled lust. But once a person has broken one taboo (that against homosexuality) it becomes easier to break another.
Quartermaster
July 22nd, 2014 @ 6:22 am

I know what is obvious to a reasonable person. I apologize that I gave you more credit than I should have.
NeoWayland
July 22nd, 2014 @ 9:13 am

If injustice was reasonable, I wouldn’t say anything.
NeoWayland
July 22nd, 2014 @ 9:17 am

So close and then you backed off.

I agree that “uncontrolled lust” is probably a major part of pedophilia.
richard mcenroe
July 22nd, 2014 @ 11:23 am

OK, so what are the percentages of gays that engage in boy pedophilia? As opposed to straight men who do? Is it “proportionate”, “disproportionate”?
NeoWayland
July 22nd, 2014 @ 11:48 am

The percentages don’t matter.

All that matters here is that someone can be gay without being a pedophile and someone can be a pedophile without being a gay.

That means that homosexuality does not equal pedophilia. People can be one or the other but not both.
Quartermaster
July 22nd, 2014 @ 1:49 pm

If you were a reasonable person, these exchanges would never take place.
NeoWayland
July 22nd, 2014 @ 3:14 pm

As I said, injustice isn’t reasonable.
Art Deco
July 22nd, 2014 @ 5:21 pm

Disagree. If I understand correctly, paedophiles (those with an attraction to pre-pubescent young) are fairly unusual and commonly not particular about the sex of the child.

Pederasts, seeking post-pubescent males, are just off normal in the homosexual population and older men appear in the proffered biographies of homosexual men (e.g. Greg Louganis, who at age 16 had a friends-with-benefits association with a 35 year old man in his neighborhood). About a third of the prosecutions for sex offenses re youth are for male-to-male contacts, in spite of the fact that ordinary men outnumber men with a problem by more than 30 to 1.
Quartermaster
July 22nd, 2014 @ 5:29 pm

I didn’t say it was, and that’s not what I was talking about.
Vaughan Starr
July 22nd, 2014 @ 5:52 pm

Individuals do not operate inside a vacuum. Who they are, the life style they lead, their expressed beliefs, all play a role. Look at Elliot Rodger. All of the above was on the table. As is the case here. But for some reason you are desperate not to have homosexuality painted in any sort of deleterious light. What ideology or sexual preference it is you hold that motivates this behavior is open to speculation. What is not speculatory at all however is that your nakedly self-serving portrayal of yourself as one who is only interested in justice holds no basis in reality. You are psychologically motivated to give homosexuality a free pass. You do not view it as a deviant sexuality that brings with it a whole host of associated deviant behaviors in the majority of its practitioners. And as a result, self-reported incidents of homosexual childhood abuse from the gay community itself are lies. And prison records that show a vastly disproportionate representation of gays incarcerated for homosexual abuse of children are also lies. Or conspiracies. Or just don’t matter. How, you never say. But you’re sure that anyone disagrees with you is not the champion of justice you are. And so with this behavior, as I stated, you have adopted a system of belief that is politically correct, rather than factually so. All the rationales of lies, conspiracies, excuses, or just plain it doesn’t matter are the stock in trade of progressives. As such, I don’t expect to sway you with reason, as reason is the one thing you have not used to arrive at the position you hold. So on, I will call an end to this back and forth.
K-Bob
July 22nd, 2014 @ 10:48 pm

I used to believe that. Much of the evidence brought forward lately seems to argue otherwise.
K-Bob
July 22nd, 2014 @ 10:50 pm

In all of human history, not one wife beater has ever been a man.

Male, perhaps. But definitely not a man.
K-Bob
July 22nd, 2014 @ 10:52 pm

The percentage of males who rape women are not even close to the percentage of “gays” who rape underage boys.

Your moral equivalence fails.
K-Bob
July 22nd, 2014 @ 10:55 pm

The counterbalance to all the craziness in Florida is that it’s a very big state, in terms of square miles, and pockets of crazy are not the full story.

I read recently in an article linked at FR that Florida produces the highest percentage of men and women who join the military.

Also, I can personally attest to the redneck population in Florida, being a redneck relative of a sizeable number of Floridians.
NeoWayland
July 22nd, 2014 @ 10:55 pm

But it is what I was talking about.
NeoWayland
July 22nd, 2014 @ 11:02 pm

It’s not moral equivalence.

It’s a matter of injustice to claim people are guilty before they’ve committed a crime just because of a label.

Innocent until proven guilty.

If you can’t show that every gay is a pedophile, then you have no authority to treat them as if they were guilty.

Anymore than the RadFems have to the authority to treat every man as a rapist.
NeoWayland
July 22nd, 2014 @ 11:14 pm

And yet we still have innocent people accused of crimes because you don’t approve of their life style.

It’s not because they have committed a crime, it’s because you think there is an outside chance that they may.

You seem to think I am defending homosexuality. I’m not.

I’m taking a stand against slander. Well, technically in this case it’s libel. Let’s settle for defamation.

Prove that every homosexual is a pedophile. Prove that every pedophile is a homosexual.

If you can’t do that, then the rule of law has no meaning.
Quartermaster
July 23rd, 2014 @ 6:18 am

And living in your own small, insular world.
NeoWayland
July 23rd, 2014 @ 8:37 am

If it’s my world, don’t you owe me rent?
Quartermaster
July 23rd, 2014 @ 11:06 am

No. I won’t live in such a small provincial land.
NeoWayland
July 23rd, 2014 @ 11:58 am

You already do.
Zohydro
July 23rd, 2014 @ 11:59 am

The historical connection between homosexuality and paedophilia (aka “pederasty”) and the early affiliation of the gay-rights movement with paedophile advocacy groups is well documented…

Currently, no gay-rights organisation and none of the prominent gay-rights leaders explicitly support age-of-consent laws! Curious, that…
NeoWayland
July 23rd, 2014 @ 12:10 pm

Again, if there are homosexuals who are not pedophiles and pedophiles who are not homosexuals, that’s beside the point.

Do all Baptists eat chicken? Are there non-Baptists who eat chicken? Is chicken uniquely Baptist?

That’s the same silly game that you’re playing.

You don’t like homosexuals. I understand that. But if you “associate” them with a crime BECAUSE they are homosexual, you do no honor to yourself or your cause.
Quartermaster
July 23rd, 2014 @ 12:31 pm

You keep telling yourself that.
NeoWayland
July 23rd, 2014 @ 1:15 pm

Why should I when you keep proving it?