Without Irony or Self-Awareness
Posted on | May 22, 2015 | 70 Comments
@MaliniMohana is a feminist and wrote this:
Yet this is exactly what feminism is about: Portraying women as uniquely virtuous and de-humanizing men. Mohana was writing about Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs), but she evidently doesn’t realize that there are women MRAs who understand the dreadful truth, i.e., “Feminism Is a Totalitarian Movement to Destroy Civilization as We Know It.”
However, it’s very difficult to blame Mohana for her hateful attitude, because she lives in South Africa, “Rape Capital of the World,” which descended into nightmarish ruin under the presidency of Thabo Mbeki and has never really recovered.
How bad is South Africa? It’s worse than Detroit.
If hating men could ever be justified, the conditions in South Africa would certainly be considered sufficient justification. Our overprivileged American college girls can scarcely imagine the scale of horrors perpetrated against women in South Africa, where the government’s corruption is exceeded only by the government’s pathetic incompetence.
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May 22nd, 2015 @ 7:53 am
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May 22nd, 2015 @ 7:56 am
[…] Without Irony or Self Awareness, Feminism is a Totalitarian Movement To Destroy Civilization, and Shorter Her […]
May 22nd, 2015 @ 8:47 am
LOL! You guys have too much time on your hands, but not enough to create a better looking site with credible news it seems. Do you guy work alongside Fox News?
May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:02 am
MegaTROLL, that is the best you’ve got?
May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:40 am
This article is trash, bias, resentful trash. Next time backup your ridiculous views with facts and not just vague assumptions.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:46 am
So, I clicked over to the link and was immediately reminded of the following truth: With the advent of the internet–Thank you, Al Gore–one can find anything, no matter how weird or offensive, to serve as evidence for some proposition or another. Some years ago, during one of Amanda Marcotte’s periodic, anti-Christian diversions, she posted a lengthy “exposé” about how Christians were really into bondage and discipline as supported by the Epistles of Paul and Peter. Her evidence consisted of some posts from a website, the sitemeter to which showed a rousing 375 hits when I clicked over. My guess was that most of those 375 came from Pandagon. Yet this was deemed to be significant.
Ditto Ms. Mohana. There’s no question that any movement will attract its share of loons. The real questions are a) what percentage of the movement’s whole do the loons occupy and b) how does the majority of movement treat the loons? See, e.g. the vast, vast majority of Baptists who disavow anything associated with the Westboro idiots who’ve appropriated the “Baptist” appellation.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:47 am
Did you click his links? Have you read any of the other posts in this series?
No?
I thought not.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:48 am
This
articlecomment by George Wyngaardt is trash, bias, resentful trash. Next time backup your ridiculous views with facts and not just vague assumptions.May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:51 am
An apt title and one which explains the daffy insanity of this movement. What is “white privilege” but a clever stickynote to dehumanize all whites? What do feminists mean when they say sexism and rape benefit all men on Earth, and they do say exactly those things. What do feminists mean when they attribute violence itself to men only, their “toxic masculinity.” In fact feminists routinely explain away any possibility of being racist or sexist by the simple expedient of power/privilege punching up theory. They are in effect popes who give themselves dispensations in all things in the name of the nobility of their cause and innate innocence which forces them to divide humanity into groups feminists would rather had never strayed from the fold of Mother Goodness. At least that’s the best I can make of their insane rhetoric.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:53 am
Next time, add a sic after “bias.” Our interlocutor meant “biased” as an adjective. “Bias” is a noun and is obviously incorrect.
Further, I would deduct points for the use of the word “resentful.” RSM’s post really doesn’t demonstrate resentment. In point of fact, it’s rather solicitous of Ms. Mohana when compared to some of his other commentary on feminist writings.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:55 am
How bad is South Africa? It’s worse than Detroit.
and Detroit’s been bad for quite a while:
May 22nd, 2015 @ 9:58 am
“This mentality is what allowed Nazi Germany to happen, and Apartheid, and Rwanda, and every single religious battle ever fought.”
That would be feminism you little darling, not the U.S. Constitution. You mainstream hate speech, I’m against that. You lie, I tell the truth. Gender feminism is insanity plus lying to explain away that insanity. It is a full-time job right there. You do nothing, you produce nothing.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:01 am
Callow ridicule and sophistry is a sad excuse for commentary.
Shorter George Wyngaardt: I eat paste!
May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:09 am
I love the way Miss Mohana tries to portray the issue as one of heroic underdog feminists against evil oppressive MRAs, as if men’s rights activism wasn’t far less popular with society at large than feminism is.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:19 am
Let’s keep score for weird words only they use: matriarchy, manboys, patriarchy, other, marginalization, privileged. Well, she’s for sure not a robot.
And what’s this “We’ve had revolutions”? I thought feminists were ultra conscious of separating out reality by gender. If men are violent then only men have staged revolutions; against other men – basically we do everything so I’m not sure what the point is. Why nitpick? We do, you don’t. Simple. That’s called History of the World.
In fact you’re never done jack shit. On a civilizatonal level you’re practically no-shows so why claim all this involvement in history? History of what? Jet plane engines, architecture, phalanxes, making swords, fractal geometry, what? So, yes… manboys is pride, feminism is worthless… it’s a legal status we allowed… because we’re… Men’s Rights Activist? Something sounds shady there.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:31 am
because she lives in South Africa, “Rape Capital of the World,” which descended into nightmarish ruin under the presidency of Thabo Mbeki and has never really recovered.
How bad is South Africa? It’s worse than Detroit.
It is not. The homicide rate in South Africa is 31.2 per 100,000. That in Detroit is 48 per 100,000. There are certainly loci in South Africa which are worse than Detroit, of course.
While were at it, the homicide rate in 1990 was…31.2 per 100,000. The country has long been troubled by crime. At the core of Cry, the Beloved Country, published in 1948, was a portrait of communities addled and injured by it. Alan Paton had been a warden in the country’s juvenile prison system.
As for South Africa’s material well being, in 1990, nominal GDP per capita was 13.3% of the American value. In 2013, that same metric for South Africa is…13.0% of the American value. The country’s standard of living has been improving at precisely the rate ours has. A different metric, GDP per capita at purchasing power parity, does show a modest loss of relative position. The South African value was 28% of the American value in 1990 and is now 24.3% of the American value.
Thabo Mbeki did not send South Africa into ruin. The economic and social problems it has it has had for decades.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:36 am
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May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:36 am
Trigger Words!
May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:45 am
How can you call yourself “Mega” when you’re doing the “TROLL” part completely ass-backwards? (checks his stats) Oh… well then, that explains it.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:46 am
MegaTROLL, is this you, too?
May 22nd, 2015 @ 10:49 am
“Some years ago, during one of Amanda Marcotte’s periodic, anti-Christian diversions,…”
“Periodic”?
WTF are you talking ’bout, Willis?
May 22nd, 2015 @ 11:07 am
Yeah, just look at all the Men’s Studies classes. Of course that’s the point they argue “but men!” Demography caused by aggressive intellect and competence is not an ideology. The idea men have been working with the advantage of a stacked deck and that this is the sole reason to explain away 7,000 years is a delusion. The reason there are gender studies classes is because they are a crutch and a band-aid meant to explain away the crutch and the band-aid.
Women assume the reason they need to be uplifted is because I was. What I have done is innate to my nature. No one ever told me I could do things or encouraged me nor succeeded in the opposite. Men are irascible. Over 7,000 years, these things simply express themselves from a far deeper place than some stunted idea teachers answer raised hands from boys more than girls. Who’s stupid enough to buy into such stuff?
You can institutionally hamstring or drug men to drag them down to the level of women temporarily but that won’t take globally nor will it make women like the men a society acts against.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 12:28 pm
Time to find another handle as you aren’t living up to MegaTROLL
May 22nd, 2015 @ 12:29 pm
I thought the same thing
May 22nd, 2015 @ 12:32 pm
Lol, too much time on your hands and a lame jibe about Fox News. That’s some top rate trolling you got there, Captain Original.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 1:07 pm
Mmmm…toxic masculinity…sounds good to me.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 1:18 pm
Maybe a double troll, announce a strong troll through title but offer weak trolls only. Very avant garde if pitiful.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 1:28 pm
Says the loser whose most recent post otherwise was on “All4women SA” in an article titled “Boity Thulo’s bootylicious butt goes viral”.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 1:44 pm
[…] Without Irony or Self-Awareness […]
May 22nd, 2015 @ 2:16 pm
South Africa isn’t that bad. It’s the townships that are home to most of the violent crime. ZA has a terrible problem with illegal immigration from all of the surrounding failed countries, and those folks end up in the shantytowns inside the townships. Those illegal immigrants clash with the ZA blacks that were purposefully under-educated under Apartheid. That’s where most of the violence arises.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 2:27 pm
I smuggle children and cigarettes into the Antarctic. There is a shortage of each.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 3:01 pm
Emote to the hand, Schmalfeldt.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 4:33 pm
It was the headline that compelled it to comment:
Without Irony or Self-Awareness
May 22nd, 2015 @ 5:19 pm
“This article is trash, bias, resentful trash. Next time backup your ridiculous views with facts and not just vague assumptions,” George said, without irony or self-awareness.
May 22nd, 2015 @ 5:25 pm
OT: Megan McArdle has a thoughtful take on the LaCour academic fraud. An excerpt:
May 23rd, 2015 @ 12:24 am
This is what leftist hipster dufuses do for fun. That’s why they think Obama is intelligent.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 1:11 am
She’s right. People have a lot of passion for debating subjects they know nothing about. Why? I don’t know but all that’s revealed by people making authoritative comments about a question they don’t know the answer to is a monumental bias.
We don’t really teach principles anymore. When have you ever seen a conversation on the net about useful tools of self-criticism that allows us to step outside ourselves and see ourselves better? Usually these biases are about heavily relating to an identity. A perfect example of unreasoning bias but which isn’t important and no one cares about is sports teams. But when you drag that into the social arena, things go stupid in a hurry.
Ironically the divide in the science fiction community is about this very thing, though I’ve yet to see a single person talk about it as such. The accusation is that old SF was white and male on purpose in a kind of ideology though the opposite is true. They wrote principled literature which introduced and uncovered challenges to bias based on identity. The new crowd, which is unprincipled, see themselves as doing that, though their fiction is laced with accusations according to race and sex. It’s a madness of stupid really.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 2:15 am
New here, are you? McCain has helpfully permitted access to his archives, as well as links to his sources..
No problem, we’ll wait while you do some reading.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 2:18 am
Worse than Detroit? The real question is, is it as bad as a typical American college campus, where one in five women will be raped?
Or so we have it, on authority of the actual President of the actual United States (all 57 of them).
May 23rd, 2015 @ 2:59 am
I’ve been talking about that for years, under several different names. Talking about Charlie Munger’s causes of human misjudgment, which is kind of a distillation of Influence by Robert Cialdini, which is a subset of cognitive biases, which is a subset of character flaws, which is a subset of emotional unintelligence. But I will grant that it’s a rare treat to see someone else make those points.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 9:41 am
A minister for my then denomination was a Chaplain with the SADF in the early 80s. I talked with him and his son, also an Office in the SADF, about conditions there. He told me two things about Apartheid. First, it was meant to keep tribes apart that were bitter enemies, and, second, that it was meant to keep crime relatively low. That it ended up dividing the country on the basis of race was simply a bad fact and that the libtards of Europe, US and Canuckistan had not the slightest idea of what was going on, nor did they care.
He also made a long term prediction. He predicted that someone like DeKlerk would come along and would have the mentality of a useful idiot. That the terrorist Mandela would end up being feted and Apartheid would come done. Once there was a majority government, the country would sink fast and end up drowning in the same corruption and crime that was destroying hope in the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa at the time.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 9:48 am
Illegal immigration is actually an overlay to the problems that already existed in SA. It has increased the problems, but crime was already out of sight before illegal immigration became the problem it is now. A woman that has attended my church has managed to get her kids out, To Australia as the US wouldn’t let them in, and where she is a legal resident, but now she’s stuck in SA herself and is trying to get out. She had been trying to get her kids out for 20 years, but they weren’t listening to her until the bad stuff started getting into Capetown. Then they listened.
As usual, the Boer has taken it on the chin. It doesn’t pay to be white and living in the countryside, no matter your extraction.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 9:53 am
Before Mandela SA was a 1st world country. The townships were 3rd world. The Zulu tribal area was peaceful, but the Zulu/Xhosa rivalry could light off in various areas from time to time, but that was about the extent of the trouble.
SA had few economic problems until the terrorist Mandela was put into office, and what had been fairly steady growth came to an end, and the sinking began. Under Mbeki it got far worse.
When the two periods are honestly compared, Mandela and Mbeki were the worst thing that could have happened to SA. It may not be exactly Detroit, but it really isn’t much better, and the problems have increased as white leave the country. To say that they are suffering the same social and economic problems they’ve always had marks you as either ignorant, or disingenuous.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 9:59 am
But, it’s all he’s got.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 5:21 pm
Feminism? The entire leftist edifice, more like. Leftists good people, rightwingers evil subhumans.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 5:54 pm
I appreciate your reliance on facts. You’re right, it started before Thabo Mbeki. In fact, an uncle of mine who married over there brought his wife and kids to the States in the early or mid ’80s due to rising violence, so I think it would be interesting to compare with 1980. Also, you gave homicide statistics, whereas our host referred to its reputation as the rape capital of the world.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 7:19 pm
Before Mandela SA was a 1st world country.
SA had few economic problems until the terrorist Mandela was put into
office, and what had been fairly steady growth came to an end, and the
sinking began.
You have not consulted the actual economic indicators from 1990 or 1980 or anytime previous, nor have you consulted any metrics from the most recent 25 years. The World Bank has helpfully put the data from the last 35 years online and older editions of World Development Indicators are available at your local college library for years previous to that.
I actually gave you a precis, gratis, of some of the salient metrics from the last 25 years and your response was to talk rot.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 7:42 pm
The utility of homicide statistics is that they avoid the problem of deficiencies in reporting and jurisdiction-to-jurisdiction variation in definitions.
Again, the remark was in response to contentions that (Mbeki, specifically, but one could refer to Mandela as well) was responsible for South Africa’s economic and social plight. The problematic features in question were present and held the same dimensions when one was in exile and the other in prison.
South Africa has never been a ‘first world country’. It was always a caste-ridden pigmentocracy with a huge population of African peasants and African lumpenproletarians unincorporated into the formal economy. See The Economy and Poverty in the Twentieth Century in South Africa by Nattrass and Seekings (publ. 1910). Read GDP per capita in South Africa during the period running from 1932 to 1981 increased 3.2 fold. That of the United States (per the Bureau of Economic Analysis) increased 4.5 fold, so there was a relative loss in South Africa’s position during that (nearly) 50 year period. What that meant was that nominal production per capita was 23% of the American value at the later date and 32% of the American value at the time of the earlier date. The country was not, in the 1920s, on a par with occidental countries. The countries which were and descended into 3d world status were those of South America’s Southern Cone, not South Africa.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 7:45 pm
You’re talking rot and need to shut up until you’ve examined the relative data.
May 23rd, 2015 @ 9:39 pm
That makes sense. Thank you for the explanation.