103 Responses to “Those Danged Voters!”

1. JohnnyL53
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 4:05 pm

   “…and 19 kabillion hours playing video-games to be time better spent than saving to hike the Inca Trail.”

   Actually, I do consider playing video games a better time spender. I’d rather hike the Appalachian trail. F… those South Americans. Spend your $ in the USA.

2. trangbang68
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 4:36 pm

   b.s. there Sigmund Fraud. Trying to discern a man’s character by the behavior of a minor child is lame. As for the little Trumpkins if they weren’t a little disturbed when Daddy Donnie Darkside brought home one of their peers as his new trophy wife, maybe that says something also.

3. trangbang68
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 4:38 pm

   Hep-C isn’t as bad as AIDS. Being run over by a sports car isn’t as bad as stepping on a Bouncing Betty.

4. Ilion
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 4:57 pm

   The Framers required The People to be the “enforcement mechanism” — and as you people have made clear, you want what you want, and the Constitution be damned if it gets in the way

5. Ilion
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 4:59 pm

   Certainty, if it’s taken too far, it will turn up lame. At the same time, one can learn something both by the child’s behavior *and* by the man’s behavior in response.
   .
   And, at the same time, can’t you just see all the Concerned Moms of America (TM) freaking out had Cruz tried to discipline the girl.

6. Art Deco
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

   No, it’s clear. You’re just wrong about what makes a natural born citizen. It’s been explained to you. We can explain this to you. We cannot comprehend it for you nor instill in you enough integrity to acknowledge something that’s quite plain.

7. Ilion
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:06 pm

   You *really* need to look in the mirror, bucko.

8. Ilion
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:09 pm

   You people are just *awesome* — (some of) you even write out exactly why Cruz is not a natural born US citizen, and I explain to you (plural) what you (singular) have just said, and you (plural) go, “Nya, nya, can’t hear you!”

9. Art Deco
   March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:10 pm

   You have no argument. Understanding the text in Article II requires an understanding of the contemporary usage, which, as professor Ramsey notes, had been in place in the British Empire for a century and was manifest in the statutory law passed in 1790.

   Referring to Cruz as a ‘naturalized citizen’ is nonsensical word salad on your part. Referring to Rubio that way defies the plain meaning of extant constitutional provisions.

10. Art Deco
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:12 pm

    you even write out exactly why Cruz is not a natural born

    I did nothing of the sort. Maybe your problem is gross deficits of reading comprehension.

11. MBouffant
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

    Is the one on the left male or female? Tell it to make up its mind.

12. Matt_SE
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:39 pm

    Is this the new talking points? Shifting the goalposts against Cruz again?

    Trump is a clown, and was until a year ago indistinguishable from a Democrat.

13. Matt_SE
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:42 pm

    I would guess that “DrGreatCham” usually resides in a very small bubble. This is one of the few times he gets out to spout his unique take on things.

14. Matt_SE
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 5:43 pm

    Yeah, Cruz is obviously the antiChrist. Didn’t you see all the small animals hissing at him in Iowa?

    GFY, with an iron stick.

15. DrGreatCham
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 6:45 pm

    Yep, and the amateur clown is beating the “severely conservative” Senator.

    Cruz reaped what he sowed. Count Trumpula didn’t hypnotize him into choosing Glenn “Rodeo Clown” Beck as his newest BFF.

    As for Maximum Donald, we’ll have to see if the GOP “Elites” fight him harder than they ever did Obama. I imagine that they will.

16. DrGreatCham
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 6:58 pm

    False dilemma, Hillary is as pro-statist as Bernie, just more dishonest about it.

17. Grandson Of TheGrumpus
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 8:17 pm

    My condolences, that you weren’t able to continue to grow your family, that Treasure of Life!

    I know that it can be a sad thing when a couple can’t have as many children as they’d like— especially if they had married w/the hope and expectations of a big and roomy family!

    I’ve a brother and sister-in-law who had a similar problem. They have two children, and a sister and brother-in-law who, after years of trying everything under the sun were able to have only a single child… some doctor told them that they weren’t fertile with each other. I didn’t know that could be possible.

    I only posted, (tongue-in-cheek) to assure RSM there there are those of us who are not only able, but are cheerfully doing our part! ;~)?

18. Grandson Of TheGrumpus
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 8:26 pm

    My Grampa Grumpus had many, many children, I gues b/c he buried two wives, though the third out-lived him. All his wives wanted large families.

    They adopted almost as many. Consequently I have fourty-one uncles and aunts still in mortality. Our 5th-year family reunions (the ones everyone attends), are large and noisy affairs, but great fun!

    I don’t understand how the proggies have managed to convince so many people that families are a burden and a bother!

19. Daniel Freeman
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 8:30 pm

    I thought “Bernshevik” was a pretty clever nickname, but it doesn’t seem to be catching on. Maybe not enough people know history?

20. DrGreatCham
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 8:48 pm

    “But why does not Mr. de Montalembert see that he has placed himself in a vicious circle? You would use the law to oppose socialism? But it is upon the law that socialism itself relies. Socialists desire to practice legal plunder, not illegal plunder. Socialists, like all other monopolists, desire to make the law their own weapon.

    And when once the law is on the side of socialism, how can it be used against socialism? For when plunder is abetted by the law, it does not fear your courts, your gendarmes, and your prisons. Rather, it may call upon them for help.”

    – Frédéric Bastiat, 1850

    http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basLaw1.html

21. Daniel Freeman
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 9:02 pm

    My analysis is that Trump basically already won the nomination when Rubio failed to break the 20% level in Vermont. Kasich got delegates in a state where Rubio didn’t, and that’s enough for him to argue that Rubio is taking votes away from him instead of the other way around.

    But Rubio actually won a state (which Kasich didn’t), and he also has more delegates, so he’s staying in too. So we don’t have to guess too much about future results; all Trump has to do is get close to his poll numbers, and he’ll sweep the winner-take-all states on the 15th, including Rubio’s Florida and Kasich’s Ohio, knocking them out and setting up a head-to-head with Cruz, which will only increase the rate at which Trump wins.

    (Although Carson has kinda sorta unofficially quit, his few remaining supporters are unlikely to make much of a difference for anyone. I expect them to go to different candidates depending on why they supported him: “nice guy” to Kasich, “Christian conservative” to Cruz, “non-politician” to Trump. And that goes double for the must-win home states, since I doubt that Rubio and Kasich have much upside potential with voters that already knew them.)

22. Matt_SE
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 9:05 pm

    Big talk coming from a guy running against an opposition that’s split four ways. Once Kasich and Rubio leave, I doubt you’ll be talking so big.

23. Daniel Freeman
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 9:32 pm

    I don’t know if you did that on purpose… but “hiking the Appalachian trail” is actually a euphemism for effing a South American.

24. wiffle
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 9:45 pm

    Frustrating isn’t it, when people get these strange prejudices about your candidate that they can’t seem to shake. 🙂

25. wiffle
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 9:47 pm

    I want to say first, I agree with you in terms of family watching. That’s where you see what people are doing when they think you’re aren’t. Very helpful generally in assessing character.

    That said and in fairness to Cruz, see if you can find more videos. It’s not fair to judge him or her on one incident. He knew people were looking, she could have had a bad day.

26. DrGreatCham
    March 2nd, 2016 @ 9:50 pm

    Since I’m not supporting Trumpen-ho-tep for President, the only thing I’m talking about is -results.- Cruz also has the same four way split, and he’s doing worse than Trump.

    That is a simple political fact that you can’t get your head around.

27. Wombat_socho
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 1:44 am

    They probably think it’s a form of praise.

28. Wombat_socho
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 1:46 am

    His problem is going to be going somewhere else if he keeps up this nonsense. Birthers are obnoxious no matter what party they belong to.

29. Matt_SE
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 6:04 am

    You get the basic read of the race wrong. Your understanding of things is inferior to my own, and therefore you have no standing to criticize me. Run along, lowbrow.

30. Dana
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 6:41 am

    Not just gestational. Elaine ‘recovered’ from diabetes after our first, but not after our second. Her family history with diabetes is terrible: both parents, and all four grandparents, and I’m sure there’s more.

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32. Matt_SE
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 7:31 am

    I suppose one might say I’m prejudiced against Trump, although it’s based on my personal experience with other people and a reading of his character. I could be wrong.
    The problem is, in order to test my theory would require making him president to find out what he’d do. If my theory of him were correct, by that point it would be too late, wouldn’t it?

33. wiffle
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 8:03 am

    The very definition of prejudice is rooted in personal experiences. The word means to “pre-judge” If you were inclined to be racist, you’d tell me that your experience is that lots of black people are lazy, which would probably be true. It’s still not fair to attempt to project that on every single black you meet.

    I don’t feel like I can judge his character or Cruz’s actually as definite at this point. There’s too much emotion for me going on. For sure, I know I’m having a difficult time coming up with hard evidence on Trump in particular of all these wild accusations. Literally the best I can come up with his he’s not classy.

    And what if – if – these guys telling you that Cruz is a liar (and there are whispers of evidence for that) are right? Does not the same calculation you just made with Trump apply?

34. Matt_SE
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 8:26 am

    If Cruz is proven to be a liar about something material, I’ll turn on him. That’s his claim to fame: integrity.

35. wiffle
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 8:31 am

    What about the campaign ads? I saw a picture of the Iowa mailer. It was highly unethical stuff. And then there were outright lies about Rubio in another ad.

    Yes, Cruz fired his communications manager, but he also hired him too. We don’t really know if he approved them or not, we only know he fired someone over it.

    That’s why I’m not getting this whole He’s Integrity Personified. He seems rather on the edge of being a normal politician.

36. Matt_SE
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 8:49 am

    Not material *enough*. Politics ain’t beanbag (whatever that is).

37. wiffle
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 8:57 am

    Integrity does not work like that. It simply does not. One cannot have integrity for 95% of the day and then not for 5% of the other and call some Integrity Personified.

    I, too, am willing to let it go as “stuff that happens on the campaign trail”. But if it’s “stuff that happens on the campaign trail”, that makes Cruz an ordinary politician. I’m going to need something else other than his absolute honesty as point of interest.

38. Matt_SE
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 9:04 am

    “Integrity does not work like that.”
    Sure it does.
    Because as you well know, people hit your candidate from all sides with nonsense, all the time. You have to have a filter, below which the noise doesn’t register.
    Otherwise, every SJW with an axe to grind will be complaining that you made them feel uncomfortable, so therefore [policy X].

    It isn’t that your integrity got turned off. It’s that the offense didn’t rise to the level of an existential crisis.

39. DrGreatCham
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 9:13 am

    Oh, dear, you’re an ignorant troll who can’t perform simple addition. Let me guess, you were predicting that Trumplestilskin would be wiped out in the first debate by the unquestionable genius of St. Tedward, Master of Rhetoric and God-Emperor of the Senate?

    It’s perfectly possible that Trump, due to the machinations of the GOP-E or some other circumstance, may NOT win the nomination, but that’s not what the figures show and that’s not why the rats in the GOP-E (and their new best friend, Establishment Tedward) are scrabbling all over themselves to stop him, including endorsing Hillary for President.

40. Matt_SE
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 9:14 am

    Hillary’s former IT guy was just given immunity, in preparation for deposition.
    Uh-OH!!!

41. Grandson Of TheGrumpus
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 9:16 am

    And we LDS have a Temple in Las Vegas, too!
    It’s picture is lovely, but I’ve never had the opportunity to visit it.

42. DrGreatCham
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 9:19 am

    Good, she’ll look great in orange behind bars, assuming that the Uniparty establishment actually wants her there, of couse.

43. Grandson Of TheGrumpus
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 9:42 am

    Your “…not so great fertility…” might not be an actual low fertility, but an “interactional infertility”… a seemingly new thing, or at least something I didn’t know could even be possible.

    The “tone” I sense from your prose are that you blame yourself— please don’t! It’s too complicated a set of circumstances and there are too many contributing variables to pin blame on either spouse.

    As I wrote above, I have a sister and brother-in-law that are infertile/low fertility with each other!

    Apparently they’d have normal fertility probabilities if they’d married other people.

    The little bit of research I’ve done, (and this was over a decade ago…) on this indicates that there can be any number of causes for this.
    Anything from an adult onset “allergic reaction” to a spouse’s seed… causing antibodies to attack the sp?rm, greatly reducing the chance of fertilization to physiological incompatibilities which cause the fertilized cell to abort before implantation.

    Producing a healthy newborn isn’t an easy thing, and it IS a miracle! That’s why it frustrates me that Proggies esteem it as nought!

44. Grandson Of TheGrumpus
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 9:44 am

    The conclusions in your first paragraph are faulty, proceeding from a faulty premise.

    Rethink and try again.

45. wiffle
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 10:22 am

    Honesty is a thing you either have or you don’t in any given moment. It’s like pregnancy, there’s no little bit about about it.

    It’s possible to not express thoughts and be honest. It’s possible to avoid topics (unless they need discussing) and still be honest. It’s possible to look at someone you find repugnant generally and still find the best about thing about them you can, even if it’s just their tie, and it’s still honesty.

    But no, a man can’t be a little dishonest a little bit of the time and call it honesty. Those mailers and the ads came out of someone’s brain on the Cruz campaign. They were not sins of omission.

    And as for the other, the more honest people become, the less the SJW stuff genuinely bothers them. It’s like the wind howling in the trees above while living in a bubble of calm. They’ve come as close to the truth as they can and created a lot of freedom and space for themselves mentally.

    If people spend time lieing to themselves, there’s no buffer. They’re having to fake calm while scrambling to remember which idea (true or not) will make it this interaction okay because the SJW will have touched on a piece of the truth that they forgot. It can be filtered, yes, but it’s uphill.

46. Dana
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 10:24 am

    Ilion might be out in left field on the birther nonsense, but, other than that, he seems to me to be a fairly good commenter; I would not support banning him. #FreeIlion

47. Dana
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 10:28 am

    The problem is that you have ‘explained’ to us why Ted Cruz is not a ‘natural born US citizen’ by your definition. Unfortunately for your position, there is no constitutional provision or federal statute which supports it. Quite the contrary, federal law defined Mr Cruz as an American citizen from birth, without holding that to be a naturalization rather than natural born status.

48. Ilion
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 10:47 am

    Two points:
    1) How ironic is it that you threaten to ban me for stating truths — and presenting arguments to support those truths — that you do no wish to hear?
    2) I am not a “birther”; I am a Constitutionalist.
    ====
    But, go ahead and ban me if that’s really what you need to do to create or maintain your safe space.

49. Ilion
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 11:01 am

    You’re wrong, of course, about me being “out in left field” and about me being a “birther” and about what I have been arguing being “nonsense”.
    Nevertheless, I do appreciate your …. hmmm, would it be called “support”?

50. Ilion
    March 3rd, 2016 @ 11:21 am

    This latest accusation isn’t true.
    .
    But, it doesn’t really matter anymore — I’m going to save Wombat the trouble of banning me for stating truths, supported by evidence and argument, that you people don’t want to know, because I don’t have time for fools

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