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  1. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 17, 2010

    Quote:”In the sixteen presidential elections since World War Two, the GOP has given its presidential nomination to conservative candidates a grand total of three times (once to Goldwater, twice to Reagan).

    If you believe that the purpose of the RNC is supposed to be, or ever has been, to advance conservative principles, you’re just not living in the real world.”

    The nominations of Reagan and Goldwater are proof that the RNC (or at least the Republican Party as a whole) can, under the right circumstances, be made to serve conservative principles. Such circumstances were provided with the Jimmy-Carter boondoggle, and have been provided to us again with Jimmy Carter v2.0. Whatever the original purpose of the RNC was or currently is, it is possible for it to be made to serve Conservative principles, just as the DNC has been made to serve Progressive principles rather than those of the original Democratic party (as much as it pains me to use that example, since I don’t much care for most of those principles either). If Reagan hadn’t (unnecessarily) picked Bush as his running mate to court “moderates”, and chosen a conservative instead, we might have had an additional 2 conservative picks in 92 and probably 96, and who knows what might have happened?

    On a side note, Roxeanne (or anyone else)- how do you get it do to the back-shading when you quote from a previous post?

  2. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 16, 2010

    Quote:”In the sixteen presidential elections since World War Two, the GOP has given its presidential nomination to conservative candidates a grand total of three times (once to Goldwater, twice to Reagan).

    If you believe that the purpose of the RNC is supposed to be, or ever has been, to advance conservative principles, you’re just not living in the real world.”

    The nominations of Reagan and Goldwater are proof that the RNC (or at least the Republican Party as a whole) can, under the right circumstances, be made to serve conservative principles. Such circumstances were provided with the Jimmy-Carter boondoggle, and have been provided to us again with Jimmy Carter v2.0. Whatever the original purpose of the RNC was or currently is, it is possible for it to be made to serve Conservative principles, just as the DNC has been made to serve Progressive principles rather than those of the original Democratic party (as much as it pains me to use that example, since I don’t much care for most of those principles either). If Reagan hadn’t (unnecessarily) picked Bush as his running mate to court “moderates”, and chosen a conservative instead, we might have had an additional 2 conservative picks in 92 and probably 96, and who knows what might have happened?

    On a side note, Roxeanne (or anyone else)- how do you get it do to the back-shading when you quote from a previous post?

  3. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 17, 2010

    Conservative rank and file,

    The backshading Roxanne is using is probably how the blockquote tag (surround it with brackets, close it with a / like other HTML tags) shows stuff on this blog. Like this, as segue:

    Whatever the original purpose of the RNC was or currently is, it is possible for it to be made to serve Conservative principles

    Fair cop. You’re right. With enough effort, the RNC can be forced to serve conservative principles. But don’t convince yourself that it’s predisposed to do so. It isn’t.

    with Mr. Knapp, we have a Libertarian here (Big-L Libertarian=member of Libertarian Party, Little-l libertarian=person who believes in libertarian principles). See, the Libertarians are bitter and resentful, because so few libertarians vote for them, and they don’t understand why.

    Interesting take.

    There are lots of reasons why small-l libertarians don’t vote for big-L Libertarian candidates. I understand some of them. I’m not bitter or resentful about them, although I am pessimistic about the prospects of the situation being changed.

  4. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 17, 2010

    Conservative rank and file,

    The backshading Roxanne is using is probably how the blockquote tag (surround it with brackets, close it with a / like other HTML tags) shows stuff on this blog. Like this, as segue:

    Whatever the original purpose of the RNC was or currently is, it is possible for it to be made to serve Conservative principles

    Fair cop. You’re right. With enough effort, the RNC can be forced to serve conservative principles. But don’t convince yourself that it’s predisposed to do so. It isn’t.

    with Mr. Knapp, we have a Libertarian here (Big-L Libertarian=member of Libertarian Party, Little-l libertarian=person who believes in libertarian principles). See, the Libertarians are bitter and resentful, because so few libertarians vote for them, and they don’t understand why.

    Interesting take.

    There are lots of reasons why small-l libertarians don’t vote for big-L Libertarian candidates. I understand some of them. I’m not bitter or resentful about them, although I am pessimistic about the prospects of the situation being changed.

  5. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 17, 2010

    Conservative rank and file,

    The backshading Roxanne is using is probably how the blockquote tag (surround it with brackets, close it with a / like other HTML tags) shows stuff on this blog. Like this, as segue:

    Whatever the original purpose of the RNC was or currently is, it is possible for it to be made to serve Conservative principles

    Fair cop. You’re right. With enough effort, the RNC can be forced to serve conservative principles. But don’t convince yourself that it’s predisposed to do so. It isn’t.

    with Mr. Knapp, we have a Libertarian here (Big-L Libertarian=member of Libertarian Party, Little-l libertarian=person who believes in libertarian principles). See, the Libertarians are bitter and resentful, because so few libertarians vote for them, and they don’t understand why.

    Interesting take.

    There are lots of reasons why small-l libertarians don’t vote for big-L Libertarian candidates. I understand some of them. I’m not bitter or resentful about them, although I am pessimistic about the prospects of the situation being changed.

  6. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 18, 2010

    Mr. Knapp: Thanks for the blockquote tip, hopefully in the future it will allow me to project a false aura of competence!

    I would never think that any organization controlled by a small powerful elite (RNC, DNC, government, large corporations, AARP, whatever) is *predisposed* to serve its intended constituency, but, still, they are *supposed* to. Our current state of affairs is probably the best chance we will ever have to get the RNC to do what they are supposed to be doing, although mostly they don’t entirely seem to be getting the message yet, still bowing to the Tea Partiers in word but business as usual in deed. Feel free to say “I told you so”!

    The Big-L Libertarians I know personally, who have often harassed me with the old “If you agree with us, why don’t you vote for us?” argument, seem particularly testy of late, though they are happy for the Tea Party movement, they seem just a tad jealous that a Party, that isn’t even a Party, that has only existed for a year, manages to poll over 30% in a 3-way poll, when they can’t seem to break out of single digits after running on many of those same principles for decades! I can see where that would be frustrating. It would sure tick me off. However, if you’re not one of those, I understand, and promise to decline my invitation to go on Oprah!

  7. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 18, 2010

    Mr. Knapp: Thanks for the blockquote tip, hopefully in the future it will allow me to project a false aura of competence!

    I would never think that any organization controlled by a small powerful elite (RNC, DNC, government, large corporations, AARP, whatever) is *predisposed* to serve its intended constituency, but, still, they are *supposed* to. Our current state of affairs is probably the best chance we will ever have to get the RNC to do what they are supposed to be doing, although mostly they don’t entirely seem to be getting the message yet, still bowing to the Tea Partiers in word but business as usual in deed. Feel free to say “I told you so”!

    The Big-L Libertarians I know personally, who have often harassed me with the old “If you agree with us, why don’t you vote for us?” argument, seem particularly testy of late, though they are happy for the Tea Party movement, they seem just a tad jealous that a Party, that isn’t even a Party, that has only existed for a year, manages to poll over 30% in a 3-way poll, when they can’t seem to break out of single digits after running on many of those same principles for decades! I can see where that would be frustrating. It would sure tick me off. However, if you’re not one of those, I understand, and promise to decline my invitation to go on Oprah!

  8. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 18, 2010

    Mr. Knapp: Thanks for the blockquote tip, hopefully in the future it will allow me to project a false aura of competence!

    I would never think that any organization controlled by a small powerful elite (RNC, DNC, government, large corporations, AARP, whatever) is *predisposed* to serve its intended constituency, but, still, they are *supposed* to. Our current state of affairs is probably the best chance we will ever have to get the RNC to do what they are supposed to be doing, although mostly they don’t entirely seem to be getting the message yet, still bowing to the Tea Partiers in word but business as usual in deed. Feel free to say “I told you so”!

    The Big-L Libertarians I know personally, who have often harassed me with the old “If you agree with us, why don’t you vote for us?” argument, seem particularly testy of late, though they are happy for the Tea Party movement, they seem just a tad jealous that a Party, that isn’t even a Party, that has only existed for a year, manages to poll over 30% in a 3-way poll, when they can’t seem to break out of single digits after running on many of those same principles for decades! I can see where that would be frustrating. It would sure tick me off. However, if you’re not one of those, I understand, and promise to decline my invitation to go on Oprah!

  9. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 18, 2010

    Conservative Rank and File,

    I do my best to remain … phlegmatic, let us say … about the Libertarian Party’s failure to achieve electoral dominance.

    The relationship of the LP to the Tea Parties is a little more complicated than just jealousy in my opinion … but I’d rather not get wound up about that 😉

    Regards,
    Tom

  10. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 18, 2010

    Conservative Rank and File,

    I do my best to remain … phlegmatic, let us say … about the Libertarian Party’s failure to achieve electoral dominance.

    The relationship of the LP to the Tea Parties is a little more complicated than just jealousy in my opinion … but I’d rather not get wound up about that 😉

    Regards,
    Tom

  11. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 18, 2010

    Conservative Rank and File,

    I do my best to remain … phlegmatic, let us say … about the Libertarian Party’s failure to achieve electoral dominance.

    The relationship of the LP to the Tea Parties is a little more complicated than just jealousy in my opinion … but I’d rather not get wound up about that 😉

    Regards,
    Tom

  12. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 18, 2010

    Mr. Knapp:

    phlegmatic, heh! I like that. 🙂

    Maybe if some semi-libertarian candidates make it into office in the next round under another banner, Libertarians can be credited with an assist.

    It can be kind of like “jobs created or saved” – we’ll call it “elections won or assisted”. (the saved jobs are unprovable, but they take credit for them anyway)

  13. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 18, 2010

    Mr. Knapp:

    phlegmatic, heh! I like that. 🙂

    Maybe if some semi-libertarian candidates make it into office in the next round under another banner, Libertarians can be credited with an assist.

    It can be kind of like “jobs created or saved” – we’ll call it “elections won or assisted”. (the saved jobs are unprovable, but they take credit for them anyway)

  14. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 18, 2010

    Mr. Knapp:

    phlegmatic, heh! I like that. 🙂

    Maybe if some semi-libertarian candidates make it into office in the next round under another banner, Libertarians can be credited with an assist.

    It can be kind of like “jobs created or saved” – we’ll call it “elections won or assisted”. (the saved jobs are unprovable, but they take credit for them anyway)

  15. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 18, 2010

    Conservative Rank and File,

    Hell, “semi-libertarian candidates” make it into office all the time.

    Barney Frank favors legalizing marijuana and ending the online gambling ban. George W. Bush favored minor tax cuts and lightening up on the anti-immigration insanity.

    I might get excited if a mostly-libertarian candidate got elected to Congress, regardless of ticket. But I won’t hold my breath. Or whine about it.

  16. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 18, 2010

    Conservative Rank and File,

    Hell, “semi-libertarian candidates” make it into office all the time.

    Barney Frank favors legalizing marijuana and ending the online gambling ban. George W. Bush favored minor tax cuts and lightening up on the anti-immigration insanity.

    I might get excited if a mostly-libertarian candidate got elected to Congress, regardless of ticket. But I won’t hold my breath. Or whine about it.

  17. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 18, 2010

    Conservative Rank and File,

    Hell, “semi-libertarian candidates” make it into office all the time.

    Barney Frank favors legalizing marijuana and ending the online gambling ban. George W. Bush favored minor tax cuts and lightening up on the anti-immigration insanity.

    I might get excited if a mostly-libertarian candidate got elected to Congress, regardless of ticket. But I won’t hold my breath. Or whine about it.

  18. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 19, 2010

    Mr. Knapp:
    Point taken – so let me then rephrase myself: There appears to be some hope that, in reaction to the current overbearingly statist regime, the winners of the pending election will be, on average, more libertarian than in any recent past elections. Possibly even significantly more libertarian, on average, although I won’t hold my breath on that one either.

  19. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 19, 2010

    Mr. Knapp:
    Point taken – so let me then rephrase myself: There appears to be some hope that, in reaction to the current overbearingly statist regime, the winners of the pending election will be, on average, more libertarian than in any recent past elections. Possibly even significantly more libertarian, on average, although I won’t hold my breath on that one either.

  20. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 18, 2010

    Mr. Knapp:
    Point taken – so let me then rephrase myself: There appears to be some hope that, in reaction to the current overbearingly statist regime, the winners of the pending election will be, on average, more libertarian than in any recent past elections. Possibly even significantly more libertarian, on average, although I won’t hold my breath on that one either.

  21. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 19, 2010

    Rank and File Conservative,

    I expect that many of the winners in the pending election will be, on average, more conservative than in any recent past elections (since 1994, in fact).

    “Conservative” and “libertarian” are, in my opinion, very different things.

  22. Thomas L. Knapp
    March 18, 2010

    Rank and File Conservative,

    I expect that many of the winners in the pending election will be, on average, more conservative than in any recent past elections (since 1994, in fact).

    “Conservative” and “libertarian” are, in my opinion, very different things.

  23. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 19, 2010

    Mr. Knapp:
    I agree that Conservative and Libertarian are very different, and many times in conflict with each other, however it’s not impossible for someone to share a mix of those principles, as I suspect many of these candidates will. My thought is that, since the current regime is both anti-conservative and anti-libertarian in its actions, the reaction to that will produce both candidates more conservative than usual but also candidates more libertarian than usual, depending on their target market, but both running on the “I’m not like the current guy” platform. (Which, ironically, is the same platform the current guy got elected on, so maybe that doesn’t bode well.)

  24. The Conservative Rank and File
    March 18, 2010

    Mr. Knapp:
    I agree that Conservative and Libertarian are very different, and many times in conflict with each other, however it’s not impossible for someone to share a mix of those principles, as I suspect many of these candidates will. My thought is that, since the current regime is both anti-conservative and anti-libertarian in its actions, the reaction to that will produce both candidates more conservative than usual but also candidates more libertarian than usual, depending on their target market, but both running on the “I’m not like the current guy” platform. (Which, ironically, is the same platform the current guy got elected on, so maybe that doesn’t bode well.)

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