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Undisclosed Location Springs Leak!

Posted on | May 29, 2012 | 43 Comments

by Smitty

A picture of Stacy McCain beavering away on the blog surfaced today through means that remain obscure:

American Glob straight up plays the “They Told Me If I Voted. . .” card, and points to Munsey’s Technosnarl, with an eyewitness account of today’s court circushearing at Munsey’s Technosnarl.

But, Walker didn’t press the credibility of Kimberlin enough. He was too easily sidetracked by the latter’s machinations, and every time Walker veered off, the Judge got madder.

Read the whole riveting thing.

At any rate, the story owned the top 9 bullets at Memeorandum, and will get us in the range of 35k hits by midnight. No’ so bad.

Secret locations don’t come cheap. Please consider making use of this button:

Otherwise, Andrew Sullivan may make Stacy McCain say something nice about Tabitha Hale, who, notably, emailed the link to the Aaron Walker arrest link to the BlogCon group. Stay awesome, Tabitha!

Update: via The Camp of the Saints,
David Hogberg at IBD:

The judge then said that Walker was the type who didn’t want to get into it “mano-y-mano” with Kimberlin but “you want to get together with all of your friends, who have nothing else to do with their time, in this judge’s opinion … and you are creating a conflagration, and you don’t care where it goes. And so you get some freak out in Oklahoma with nothing better to do with his time, so he does the nastiest things he can to this poor gentlemen (Kimberlin). What right does he have to do that?”
“He has no right to do that, your honor,” Walker replied.
“But you incited him,” Vaughey said.
The judge then went into brief discussion on how these things were settled where he grew up in Brooklyn.

What a travesty.


43 Responses to “Undisclosed Location Springs Leak!”

  1. steveegg
    May 29th, 2012 @ 10:06 pm

    Looks like CPAC circa 2010.  Seriously, glad to see Stace plugging away.

  2. Dianna Deeley
    May 29th, 2012 @ 10:16 pm

    He’s wearing his fedora indoors? Horrors! *snark off*

  3. JeffS
    May 29th, 2012 @ 10:54 pm

     The man does have his standards. 

    Even if they are……odd.  ;-p

  4. Adjoran
    May 29th, 2012 @ 11:53 pm

    This is also an Administrative Law Judge (retired, hearing cases on senior status) who is used to hearing small cases.  He’s not heard of Brandenberg v Ohio and has no reason to have heard of it – reading the order, he’s probably got some part-time court reporter and no clerk.

    So going in there and trying to fight every single point by point is going to come off as combative and aggressive, something he’s seen time and time again and it meant he should issue the damn order.  Having skipped the initial hearing, that’s going to be the presumption in any court in the country.  Going in and announcing you are Yale Law to a judge who graduated from Maryland Law isn’t going to earn you any leeway.

    He’ll have it overturned with legal help. But Kimberlin’s already won the point, because now Aaron must always answer “yes” on the application question, “have you ever been arrested?”  Not good for an out-of-work lawyer hunting a job.

    Never talk to the police, and never represent yourself.  You just cannot win in either situation.

  5. Adobe_Walls
    May 30th, 2012 @ 12:24 am

    Wow man, doesn’t everybody?

  6. Mr. Luigi
    May 30th, 2012 @ 12:32 am

    I prefer to think that Walker “took one for the team”.
    Let’s face it; the other guy’s “liberal activist” scam is toast.

  7. darleenclick
    May 30th, 2012 @ 1:05 am

     correct me if I’m wrong, but every application I’ve seen now (and as a supervisor for 5 years I do hiring so I look at apps a lot) the question is “have you been convicted”. “Arrest” means bupkis.

  8. Adobe_Walls
    May 30th, 2012 @ 1:18 am

    Isn’t the fact that Aaron Walker is not responsible for what others do on the internet “black letter law” in Maryland?
    “The judge then said that Walker was the type who didn’t want to get into it “mano-y-mano” with Kimberlin….”
    Is the judge suggesting that Walker should have gone to Kimberlin’s house called him out into the street and settled this “like men”? Not a bad idea actually, except that whole assault thingy. Ruling that Walker “incited” others to harass and threaten seems a much higher burden particularly given MD law. As Pablo writes at IBD’s blog, “I sincerely hope that Walker’s appeal of this ruling lands in front of the same judge that overturned the first peace order. Kimberlin will have fun explaining why he just went and got another one.”

  9. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    May 30th, 2012 @ 1:26 am
  10. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    May 30th, 2012 @ 1:28 am
  11. Adjoran
    May 30th, 2012 @ 1:35 am

     I haven’t had to bother with applications on either side of the desk in a long time, so I’ll defer to your experience – with the reservations that law firms may require more extensive information, and even other companies where the position involves any responsibility will involve a criminal background check, which will show all arrests and dispositions.

  12. Adjoran
    May 30th, 2012 @ 1:42 am

     The judge almost did say that – he mentioned when he grew up in Brooklyn, you ‘d get a few guys, pick him up in a truck and drive down by the river to sort things out, which sounds to me like he’s suggesting a beat-down, but not in so many words.

    Again, this guy isn’t even a district court judge, he’s an administrative judge.  The equivalent of small claims or traffic court.  He’s not going to be up on precedents or have a clerk to look it up for him.  Aaron and Kimberlin snowed him with a bunch of stuff he didn’t understand – volumes of it, almost, so the default position is, grant the damned injunction.  Just because it just looks bad if you vacate it and the guy kills the plaintiff.  Very messy, awkward moments at the county banquet.

    Plus, you had Aaron annoying the crap out of him, even after being warned.  What the heck does anyone expect to happen?

  13. CPAguy
    May 30th, 2012 @ 2:03 am

     Yep.  Terrible courtroom persona by Walker.  Not everybody on the right is a hero…or even particularly stable.

    I hope Walker learns from his mistakes today when he appeals (I assume he is going to go that route).

  14. Joy McCann
    May 30th, 2012 @ 2:42 am

     Hey–I sleep in mine.

  15. Joy McCann
    May 30th, 2012 @ 2:49 am

     Well, he’s under enormous stress, and he is, like many bright people, over-thorough. Obviously, this came out in that long long long blog post he wrote that takes, literally, hours to read.

    I mean, it’s good that he documented everything in that post, but he keeps pushing it as the starting point for anyone who wants to understand what happened to him–when he’d be better served by linking one of Stace’s summaries (or the summaries of other bloggers).

    No one wants to read a novella just to keep abreast of the news . . . and if Walker took that novella attitude into court, it might not have come off too well.

    But what this means is that people need to contribute to his legal/household expenses fund.

  16. Adobe_Walls
    May 30th, 2012 @ 3:11 am

    That’s why it’s best to get those things out of your system while young.

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  18. mesablue
    May 30th, 2012 @ 3:43 am

    This is horrible for Aaron, but in the long run wonderful for the rest of us.  Hate to say it, but this will be a benchmark case…if Aaron chooses to go forward.

    Best of luck to all involved.

  19. mesablue
    May 30th, 2012 @ 3:48 am

     Any decent attorney will be able to get this vacated within a week.  I hope that AW is able to avail himself to one.

    An appeal would accept the judgement of the court — too many issues at question for that.*

    *not an attorney — just someone who has had too many experiences in civil court matters.

  20. mesablue
    May 30th, 2012 @ 3:51 am

     Well, all except the terrorist who started everything.

  21. K-Bob
    May 30th, 2012 @ 4:11 am

    I was starting to wonder when I got to the part about grabbing the ipad.

    But Kimberlin is a sleaze, any way you cut it.

  22. Adjoran
    May 30th, 2012 @ 6:39 am

     Or have a good attorney.

  23. Adjoran
    May 30th, 2012 @ 6:41 am

     Ali Akbar has set up a fundraising page, but I can’t find the specific link right now.  Will try to search history later.

  24. Adjoran
    May 30th, 2012 @ 6:44 am

     He and his cohorts are just being encouraged.  No leftist foundation has announced any cutting of funding, the SWAT-ting incidents are virtually untraceable except maybe to NSA, unless Kimberlin is designated a “vexatious litigant” for his dozens of frivolous suits, which would require bonds to file any more, there is not much that can be done to stop them.

  25. Bob Belvedere
    May 30th, 2012 @ 7:37 am

    I’ve had the same experience as Darleen.

    I’ve been looking at job applications for twenty+ years and it has changed what gets asked.  Our ones used to ask the ‘arrest’ question, but that was deemed ‘prejudicial’.  There’s even talk of banning us from asking the ‘convicted’ question using the same foolish logic.

  26. Bob Belvedere
    May 30th, 2012 @ 7:40 am

    Dead solid perfect, Joy.

  27. Bob Belvedere
    May 30th, 2012 @ 7:44 am

    Credit card or check:

    There’s also a link for PayPal, which I don’t have with me.  If you look at my posting entitled ‘OUTRAGE…’ it’s at the bottom of it.

  28. Bob Belvedere
    May 30th, 2012 @ 7:46 am

    I don’t know Maryland Law, but Mr. Walker, if possible, should have requested that the matter be kicked up to a real judge – some states allow for this, but, as I say, I don’t know about Maryland.

  29. Quartermaster
    May 30th, 2012 @ 8:01 am

    That’s particualrly true in a state like North Carolina. In NC you can got to a Magistrate and swaer out a warrant for anything. The Deputies then take it and arrest you. I got it when a neighbor got mad at me for some unknown reason and charged me with cruelty to animals and never showed up at court. I had to appear 4 times before the charge was dismissed. Over half of all district court cases where I live are filed for sheer harassment and the state has done nothing about a very serious problem.

    The fact that the Judge was not a real trial judge should have disqualified him for the hearing. The term “Adminstrative Law Judge” is a serious mislabelling of a sorry product anyway, and there really is no such thing as adminstrative law anyway, not in the sense they aresupposed to be dealing with things.

    Adjoran, that’s just one more check box for the outrage list. The man is clearly unqualified, and he did not do his duty to actually familiarize himself with teh background of the issues either. The man needs to be sent home and possibly jailed himself.

  30. PaulLemmen
    May 30th, 2012 @ 8:03 am

    Better yet, live an honest and responsible life. Oh the changes I would make if I could go back 40 years! I would then just be known as Paul Lemmen, that loudmouth instead of that ex-con loudmouth.

  31. PaulLemmen
    May 30th, 2012 @ 8:05 am

    Looks like my setup except I have a huge coffee cup in place of the cough syrup …

  32. NeoSexist
    May 30th, 2012 @ 8:29 am

    So the judge basically said, ‘why don’t you settle this mano y mano with the convicted terrorist bomber instead of all this cowardly writing that may incite violence.’

  33. NeoSexist
    May 30th, 2012 @ 8:32 am

    The exasperation Walker is evidently showing in court came through loud and clear in his 28000 word ‘primer’

    The agitator has him agitated.

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  35. Bob Belvedere
    May 30th, 2012 @ 9:06 am

    It is only permissible to wear one indoors if a lady is not present.

    However, I believe there is an exception for grizzled, disheveled reporters.

  36. Bob Belvedere
    May 30th, 2012 @ 9:08 am

    They really should call ALJ’s what they are: Glorified Clerk Magistrates.

  37. Bob Belvedere
    May 30th, 2012 @ 9:10 am

    Besides never representing yourself in court, a lawyer should never be his own PR spokesman.

    They don’t make arguments that normal people can grasp easily – they think differently.

  38. richard mcenroe
    May 30th, 2012 @ 9:34 am

     Like I said, a Far Rockaway schmuck.  Explains a lot.

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  41. Quartermaster
    May 30th, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

    If they even rise that high. They have no business presiding over the regular courts of any state. Nor do they have any business dealing with the law. Admin Regs is a different thing, but not the law.

  42. K-Bob
    May 30th, 2012 @ 6:55 pm

     Coz’ everyone knows all that really matters is, “did you have to do the full ride?”

  43. K-Bob
    May 30th, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

    I have a policy about wearin’ baseball cap kinda hats.  There’s all kinds of places where guys keep their hats on (try to tell a NASCAR fan in the Carolinas to take off his Earnhardt hat).  So in many cases if some guy gets noisy about men wearing hats in those places, I ignore him, or tell him to push off.

    But I make one exception: if a vet ever tells me to take off my hat, I do it.  No questions asked.