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This Is A Christian Act How, Exactly?

Posted on | August 21, 2010 | 61 Comments

by Smitty

Via Gateway Pundit, there is word that The Dove World Outreach Center in Florida plans to burn some Korans.

That is as bent an idea as anything the Fred Phelps flock is doing. Followers of Christ near and far should consider denouncing this evil provocation.

For starters, this blog thinks that The Dove World Outreach Center is false, and all members should depart for a Christ-centered, Biblically sound church. Pray, read the Bible, know the difference, people.

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61 Responses to “This Is A Christian Act How, Exactly?”

  1. B.B.
    August 21st, 2010 @ 8:33 pm

    I agree with the conclusion that burning Korans is needlessly provocative. However, Bill S. writes that antagonism is “something Jesus didn’t do when He was teaching His disciples.”

    Well, it was certainly something He did on other occasions, as when He described hypocritical religious leaders as white-washed tombs, and when He drove the money-changers out of the temple.

    Thomas:

    Jewish Scripture clearly points to the annointed one of God — in Hebrew, the Messiah; in Greek, the Christ. Even if one restricts the Bible to Jewish Scripture (an unconventional restriction in our culture, which you probably already know), affirming that Jesus is the Messiah isn’t a contradiction with what is Biblically sound.

    Jesus didn’t just affirm the authority of Jewish Scripture to the smallest penstroke; He simultaneously claimed to fulfill Scripture.

    His followers radically transformed rituals that were fundamental to Judaism, making Sunday the central day of worship because Jesus rose on that day, and transforming the Passover into a commemoration of His death BECAUSE HE INSTRUCTED THEM TO DO SO.

    There is nothing that the supposed heretic Paul taught, that Jesus didn’t teach first, sometimes implicitly, frequently explicitly.

    Jesus certainly affirmed Jewish Scripture by affirming its divine authorship, but He also affirmed His own divine nature: “Before Abraham was, I am.”

    He didn’t merely affirm the religion of Judaism, Jesus proclaimed salvation, not through the Torah, but through Himself. He claimed that He came to give His life as a ransom for many, that His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sin, and that HE HIMSELF is the way, the truth, the life, and the resurrection.

    In order to deny that Jesus made these claims, you have to go far beyond dismissing Paul’s letters. You have to dismiss Luke and Acts, written by one of Paul’s associates; you have to dismiss John’s gospel, even though it was written by Jesus’ “beloved” disciple; you have to dismiss the very Jewish gospel of Matthew; and you have to dismiss the short and possibly earliest gospel of Mark.

    If you dismiss all four canonical gospels, I wonder how it is you know what Jesus did and did not teach.

    And if you believe accepting that Jesus is the Messiah requires rejecting the authority of Jewish Scripture, I must wonder whether you even believe that Scripture promises the Messiah, and I wonder what you make of Isaiah 53 specifically.

  2. young4eyes
    August 22nd, 2010 @ 12:45 am

    Kujo couldn’t get enough tea-bagging and know he’s all about the foreskin. Hey buddy, come out of the closet along with the rest of the Dick Army.
    Dude, even Conservatives are ashamed to have you on their side…

  3. young4eyes
    August 21st, 2010 @ 8:45 pm

    Kujo couldn’t get enough tea-bagging and know he’s all about the foreskin. Hey buddy, come out of the closet along with the rest of the Dick Army.
    Dude, even Conservatives are ashamed to have you on their side…

  4. Thomas L. Knapp
    August 22nd, 2010 @ 2:01 am

    B.B.,

    I don’t believe that accepting Jesus as messiah requires rejecting the authority of Jewish scripture. He most definitely was a Messiah, emphasis on “a.”

    There were previous messiahs, starting with David — a messiah in Judaism was a priest-king of the Davidic line. The specific function of Jesus’ messiahship was to kick Roman ass out of Judea and restore the line of David to the throne.

    That’s why early Catholic leaders described Jesus as “the messiah who failed,” in contrast to “the messiah who succeeded” (Constantine) by making the paganized Pauline offshoot of Christianity ascendant within Rome itself (ascendant, not transcendent — it was considered co-equal with the Sol Invictus sun-worship cult which Constantine adhered to, and Christians were required to move their day of worship from the Sabbath to the day of the Sun, incorporate the Sun God’s “halo” in their icons, retreat from the polytheism they had adopted when they left Judaism back to a form of monotheism with the “trinity” doctrine, etc.).

  5. Thomas L. Knapp
    August 21st, 2010 @ 10:01 pm

    B.B.,

    I don’t believe that accepting Jesus as messiah requires rejecting the authority of Jewish scripture. He most definitely was a Messiah, emphasis on “a.”

    There were previous messiahs, starting with David — a messiah in Judaism was a priest-king of the Davidic line. The specific function of Jesus’ messiahship was to kick Roman ass out of Judea and restore the line of David to the throne.

    That’s why early Catholic leaders described Jesus as “the messiah who failed,” in contrast to “the messiah who succeeded” (Constantine) by making the paganized Pauline offshoot of Christianity ascendant within Rome itself (ascendant, not transcendent — it was considered co-equal with the Sol Invictus sun-worship cult which Constantine adhered to, and Christians were required to move their day of worship from the Sabbath to the day of the Sun, incorporate the Sun God’s “halo” in their icons, retreat from the polytheism they had adopted when they left Judaism back to a form of monotheism with the “trinity” doctrine, etc.).

  6. smitty
    August 22nd, 2010 @ 2:04 am

    @Kn@ppster,
    Jesus Himself stated that His mission was to fulfill the Law, not overturn it.

    Tell me more about ‘early Catholic leaders’ and such. This is an aspect of Christian thought of which I’m under-educated.

  7. smitty
    August 21st, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

    @Kn@ppster,
    Jesus Himself stated that His mission was to fulfill the Law, not overturn it.

    Tell me more about ‘early Catholic leaders’ and such. This is an aspect of Christian thought of which I’m under-educated.

  8. Thomas L. Knapp
    August 22nd, 2010 @ 7:37 am

    Smitty,

    I suggest starting with Eusebius’s “Life of Constantine.”

    It’s worth noting at this point that when addressing these subjects I speak from personal historical conclusion rather than from personal religious conviction.

  9. Thomas L. Knapp
    August 22nd, 2010 @ 3:37 am

    Smitty,

    I suggest starting with Eusebius’s “Life of Constantine.”

    It’s worth noting at this point that when addressing these subjects I speak from personal historical conclusion rather than from personal religious conviction.

  10. Mat Merker
    September 8th, 2010 @ 4:29 pm

    I am concerned that we fail to consider the impact of this proposed book burning on Christians living in predominently Islamic countries.Where will fanatics get the Bibles they will burn in retaliation? This is yelling “Fire” in a crowded theater. There is nothing Christian about it.

  11. Mat Merker
    September 8th, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

    I am concerned that we fail to consider the impact of this proposed book burning on Christians living in predominently Islamic countries.Where will fanatics get the Bibles they will burn in retaliation? This is yelling “Fire” in a crowded theater. There is nothing Christian about it.