Vote Sodom/Gomorrah 2016!

Posted on | May 13, 2014 | 234 Comments

by Smitty

You can despise Greenwald all you like, but I have the puke-coming-out-my-nose feeling he’s spot-on here:

How do you feel about the early presidential jockeying?
Hillary is banal, corrupted, drained of vibrancy and passion. I mean, she’s been around forever, the Clinton circle. She’s a f_____ hawk and like a neocon, practically. She’s surrounded by all these sleazy money types who are just corrupting everything everywhere. But she’s going to be the first female president, and women in America are going to be completely invested in her candidacy. Opposition to her is going to be depicted as misogynistic, like opposition to Obama has been depicted as racist. It’s going to be this completely symbolic messaging that’s going to overshadow the fact that she’ll do nothing but continue everything in pursuit of her own power. They’ll probably have a gay person after Hillary who’s just going to do the same thing.

I hope this happens so badly, because I think it’ll be so instructive in that regard. It’ll prove the point. Americans love to mock the idea of monarchy, and yet we have our own de facto monarchy. I think what these leaks did is, they demonstrated that there really is this government that just is the kind of permanent government that doesn’t get affected by election choices and that isn’t in any way accountable to any sort of democratic transparency and just creates its own world off on its own.

And. Still. I. Will. Not. Vote. For. Jeb.

Can we emphasize this point enough for the Vichy GOP? No amount of Hillary Angst is going to get votes for the next Dole/McCain/Romney. Especially if non-reformer #4 is Yet Another Bush.

If you want to impress me, Mr. Bush, don’t run. Show that you care about the country, and it’s not about you, by Not Making It About You. Get together with Sarah Palin, tour the country on the Tea Party Express, connect with the people, and support someone else. Get behind the Convention of States in an honest way that will make the Founders smile as they look down from Eternity.

We’ve got 300+ million people in this country. If the only way somebody who is nominally conservative can win a Presidential election is to bear the name ‘Bush’ (as has been the case since 1988) then just screw us to the wall.

I voted Perot in ’92, and I’ll write in the old codger again before I vote for another Bush. Sure, I’m just the one vote, but I’m far from alone. If the Republican party wants to turn the 2016 vote into a suicide pact, Then So Be It.

via ZeroHedge

Category: Hillary Clinton

Comments

234 Responses to “Vote Sodom/Gomorrah 2016!”

Dana
May 13th, 2014 @ 8:27 am

I’ve said it many times: if Hillary Clinton runs, she’ll win, but I don’t think that she is going to run. She will turn 69 — not that anyone would want to 69 with her — a couple of weeks before the 2016 election, and she already looks older than that. She just does not look strong or healthy enough for another presidential campaign, and she knows it.
Joan Of Argghh!
May 13th, 2014 @ 8:29 am

I listened to Greenwald yesterday speaking coherently on domestic spying and civil rights and 4th Amendment. I know, right?

They put forth Jeb, Rubio, Romney, Christie, it’ll be the end.
Dana
May 13th, 2014 @ 8:33 am

As for not voting for Jeb Bush, that might make sense if he’s trailing so badly that there’s no chance he could win, but, between them, the two Presidents Bush gave us Clarence Thomas, John Roberts and Samuel Alito, and that’s a heck of a lot better than Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagen, Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, foisted upon us by the last two Democratic presidents.
Dana
May 13th, 2014 @ 8:35 am

I do see one redeeming value in a Jeb Bush presidency: another President Bush would cause the liberals’ heads to just plain explode. That’s got to be worth something! 🙂
rodander
May 13th, 2014 @ 8:55 am

I don’t have a problem with Jeb because he’s a Bush, but because he disqualified himself with his support of Common Core. In the very same speech with the “act of love” comment, he said that the reason our schools are lousy is because we have standards that vary from state to state.

This statement is both a lie (how, possibly, can differences among states cause any school to suck) and a call for more unconstitutional top-down federal control of a local matter. It is as anti-conservative a thing as can be said, and anyone who would utter such a statement disqualifies himself in my book.

If he’s the nominee, I’ll vote in November 2016 but leave my presidential choice blank.
riverlifecallie
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:08 am

If Bush runs, I will not vote for him, but nor will I leave my presidential choice blank. I will write in a candidate I feel is most qualified. I think we all need to push this idea of a write-in candidate if we are presented with another squishy RINO.
Kevin O'Kelley
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:17 am

RE: “And. Still. I. Will. Not. Vote. For. Jeb.”
I agree. Given a choice between Gov. Bush and Sec. Clinton, I’ll write in None Of The Above.

I also agree that Hillary is virtually unbeatable. A lot of women a PO’ed that a woman has never been president, and they are determined that a woman must be president in 2016. Period.

Some have said that any GOP candidate will be better don’t understand the long view. First of all, President Obama is leaving office with the US in a terrible situation. We have a stock market and an economy that is being held up with printed money. The coming collapse is going to be brutal. The next recession is probably due before Obama leaves office. The next credit bubble if going to pop, and it’s even money if it’s another housing bubble or a college loan bubble. The US jobs situation is terrible. Internationally, we are in big trouble. If a republican does win, the MSM will pin all problems in him or her instantly. The only good thing about Hillary winning is that democrats have nowhere to hide.

Yes, the Supreme Court will be terrible if Hillary gets to fill the rest of the court. But I don’t think it matters much. We are rapidly moving toward a situation where an imperial presidency rules the country. The Law will only mean what the President says it means and is willing to enforce. Mainstream republicans are not standing up for the Republic. They are doing little, if anything, to defend the legislature’s role in making law. (What little has been done has been done by outside groups with little or no support for the establishment GOP.)

A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

Well, we kept it 200 years.
McGehee
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:35 am

I think the bloom has come off the “let’s make history” rose*. Women as a population aren’t as invested in the identity politics anyway (married women are too conservative to fall for it) and the bad example of the Unicorn Prince is still bitter in everyone’s mouths. Hillary is every bit as inevitable now as she was eight years ago.

*The next time America wants to make history, it should just find a Democrat who hates it and buy him or her a house.
Adjoran
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:43 am

Presidential elections aren’t about who is the best person in the country to be President. They are about a choice between a Republican and a Democrat. No third party candidate has had a realistic chance to win in the last century.

The GOP nomination process is the most grassroots-oriented in the world. Even the Democrats reserve a bigger portion of their delegate seats for party bosses, elected officials, activists, union leaders, etc.

If Jeb Bush wins that nomination, you bet your gonads I’ll vote for him over Hillary (or Lizzie Warren, or whoever the Democrats put up).

If you would not, out of some childish personal pique, then you are just a damned fool. 200 federal judgeships open up every Presidential term, and they are lifetime appointments. If that alone isn’t worth a vote for any Republican, there is no point in discussing the matter further.
Real Flavors
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:45 am

What we have, to be specific, is a rogue executive branch.
Evi L. Bloggerlady
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:48 am

I think she is running, I do not believe Hillary is inevitable. But I know this much:
http://batshitcrazynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/5156521202_jeb_w_hug_xlarge.jpeg

Just say no to Jeb
Josh_Painter
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:48 am

RT @smitty_one_each: Vote Sodom/Gomorrah 2016! http://t.co/m9SOd1sCSC
ajpwriter
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:50 am

It’s interesting to see how in sync Right and Left are with their establishment choices. I posted this pic below on Facebook and all my lefty friends gave it the thumbs up. I even got the “For the first time, you and I are in complete agreement.”

Which only underlines the opportunity if we can subvert the zombie Rockefellerites. But if we don’t, the GOP will lose again. And probably die.
Hey GOP, you really do not want to nominate Jeb Bush… | Batshit Crazy News
May 13th, 2014 @ 9:52 am

[…] Smitty speaks for many of us […]
Dana
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:13 am

Yup, absotively, posilutely right.

As for third party candidates or write ins, ask President Gore about whether they make a difference. In 2000, the official results had George Bush winning over Al Gore by 537 votes, while Ralph Nader received 97,488, Pat Buchanan 17,484 and Harry Browne 16,415. Even John Hagelin (2,281) and Howard Phillips (1,371) received more votes than the difference between Messrs Bush and Gore.
Dana
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:15 am

Mr O’Kelley wrote:

Yes, the Supreme Court will be terrible if Hillary gets to fill the rest of the court. But I don’t think it matters much.

Really? We’ll have national queer marriage, mandatory Affirmative Action and no chance ever of getting positive voter identification.
StrangernFiction
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:18 am

JEB (Just Eliminate Borders) 2016!
StrangernFiction
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:21 am

~~RINO~~ DIABLO – Democrat In All But Label Only
CrustyB
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:30 am

The press will elevate Hillary and they’ll pounce on every Republican candidate except for the most liberal one. Republicans will be stupid enough to buy the liberal press’ narrative and elect the most liberal Republican in the primaries. Then, the press will pounce on him before the general election. Happened to McCain, happened to Romney. With 80% of the country made up of gullible rubes the press can run the elections any way they choose, and they will run it liberal.

I haven’t voted since 2000. To hell with this country.
Finrod Felagund
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:40 am

Jeb would be a better President than either his brother or his father, but I still consider him in the bottom half of the potential 2016 candidates.
ForMotionCreatv
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:43 am

He has no better chance than Mitt. Probably worse. At this point, even the Republican Women Federated groups are fed up with the establishment.
Finrod Felagund
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:48 am

I would put Mitt lower than Jeb because Mitt already is a loser. He had his chance in 2012 and blew it.
Dana
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:50 am

If you haven’t voted since 2000, then you’ve said, inter alia, I’m OK with whomever the voters choose. You shouldn’t complain about anybody in office if you’re not willing to vote.
Dana
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:52 am

Jeb Bush certainly isn’t my preferred candidate, but I’ll certainly vote for him if he wins the nomination.

And that’s the important part: whoever wins the nomination in 2016 will have fought for it and run for it and put himself before the actual voters. Maybe you didn’t like Mitt Romney in 2012, but he did just that, and won more primary votes than the other candidates.
Finrod Felagund
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:57 am

My name for Mitt Romney after the Florida debates in 2012 was “the lying suckweasel”, after he claimed to have no knowledge of the negative ads slagging Gingrich in Florida, despite them having “My name is Mitt Romney and I approve this message” on them.
NeoWayland
May 13th, 2014 @ 10:59 am

None Of The Above.

It’s the only sure way to make elections work.

As it is, we’re at the mercy of a corrupt party system.

I still want to know why the leaders of both national parties are not prosecuted under the RICO Act.
richard mcenroe
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:19 am

Your just not sofistickated like Gabe and Ace is.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:33 am

Greenwald is another leftist in the process of being smacked fairly hard by reality. My guess is he’ll declare himself to be Libertarian soon. Or go the whole kit and declare he’s “always really been more libertarian then Democrat.”

Firstly, gays in the UK are often far less “pro gay marriage” than they are in the US. Gays in the UK are also far more aware that the militant islamists want to kill them (but first, a little torture). So I’m sure he’s had a little time to soak in that ambiance, far from the San Fransisco nuthouse, and learned a few things.

Now Greenwald has been faced with what us geeks have known for decades: your government is not your friend.

All one need do to cease being a leftist is embrace reality.

So, full agreement with Smitty here.

My plan is to write in Allen West unless Cruz runs. If Cruz runs, I’ll write him in all the way to November. I owe Republicans exactly nothing.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:38 am

That is exactly the kind of distinction that makes no difference to me anymore.

If I don’t have a Conservative or real libertarian (as opposed to the open-borders libertines they keep putting up) to vote for, I’m writing in a name.
Eric Ashley
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:38 am

Like we would with Jeb.

I voted third party last time, and I expect I’ll do it again.

The Vichy GOP would prefer to lose than let a Conservative win.
Eric Ashley
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:41 am

So you’re not going to be bothering us, insulting us, and calling us names for the next election cycle because it is pointless to talk to those with a deeper understanding of what’s going on than you.

Thanks.

Problem is, I don’t believe it because the RINOs know they can’t win without conservatives. Worse, they know they can’t even get a decent showing without conservatives. If conservatives stay home, the whole Two Party Lie gets exposed for what it is.
Kevin O'Kelley
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:43 am

On the basis of Lawrence v. Texas, the gay marriage debate is over. It’s done. Besides, the imperial presidency will implement it by edict.

Affirmative Action may change, but it’s already the de-facto law of the land, and recent SC decision to water it down don’t fundamentally change a thing. (The MI ruling, for example, is very limited.)

Voter id is losing in various courts mostly do to poor implementation. If you require voter id your state will be required to provide free id for voters. This is another area where imperial edict will undermine any attempts to implement voter id.

The real outrage is the basic structure of our constitution, where the legislative branch writes laws and the executive branch faithfully executes them. That is dying fast.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:44 am

Nope. It’s definitely not enough to vote Republican. Obviously pique has nothing to do with it. History, on the other hand has much to do with it.

We went over the cliff already. Since it’s not possible to undo barack in two terms (not even with Reagan as your man), this notion that Republicans are going to be better is so old and busted it’s beyond laughable.

From here on out I vote only for someone who is engaged with Restoration. Jeb is no better than Hillary. Not in any material way whatsoever. Judgeships or no judgeships.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:45 am

But do not stay at home. Never pass up the chance to exercise the franchise.

Write in.
Eric Ashley
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:50 am

If we keep accepting the Lesser of Two Evils, eventually the RINOs will put up Zombie Jeffrey Dahmer, and expect us to vote for him rather than Zombie Stalin.

Also, I’m sure that the Vichyites would at some point choose not to support the GOP candidate. (for some of them all it would require would be an actual conservative). Let’s say the GOP nominates Al Sharpton, are you ‘must vote GOP’ types going to vote for Sharpton? If not, then how can you critique those of us with a more sensitive gag reflex than you?

The end goal is either the reformation of the GOP, or its destruction to be replaced by a party run by Conservatives with Libertarian as helpers. Otherwise, we’re DOOMED.
Kevin O'Kelley
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:51 am

RE: “200 federal judgeships open up every Presidential term.”
There is no Law anymore. The Law means what the President says it means. We have a President who rewrites laws at will, and we have a GOP congress that just sits there and watches him do it. What good a federal judge telling a president, “You can’t do that,” when no one has the authority or the guts to arrest him?

Sec. Holder should be in federal prison right now, but he isn’t. And once this administration has gotten away with it, there are no limits to the nastiness that comes next. The GOP needs to grow a backbone and protect the constitution. If not, it’s dead.
Kevin O'Kelley
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:53 am

Close. If the MSM follows the pattern of the last two elections, they attack all other candidates except the ones they like (Sen. McCain and Gov. Romney). Once the nomination has taken place, they turn on the republican like a pack of crazed dogs.
Jupiter C.
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:57 am

Any conservative that doesn’t vote for the GOP nominee in ’16 is complicit in electing a Liberal. This “I won’t vote for Jeb or whoever” doesn’t cut it. Those of you that didn’t vote Romney because you think he doesn’t represent the GOP adequately or whatever, are partially to blame for obama’s continued presence in the Oval Ofc.
Evi L. Bloggerlady
May 13th, 2014 @ 11:59 am

Hillary is beatable. Make no mistake, two terms of a Democrat in the White House wears Democrat supporters out. A lot of women do not care for Hillary Clinton, she is not the type of person who will motivate minorities to come out for her, and she is definitely not a natural politician like her husband. She will definitely take big liberal states, but she will have much tougher sledding elsewhere.
Evi L. Bloggerlady
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:01 pm

Dana, you assume Jeb can win against Hillary. The whole rationale of challenging Hillary is change is needed at the top, having someone connected to George W. Bush undermines that. Beyond Jeb being a lame Establishment RINO, he is most importantly a poor candidate to pair against Hillary.
Evi L. Bloggerlady
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:06 pm

I am not going to play hypotheticals, I know that Jeb would be a bad candidate against Hillary. And Stacy and Smitty, no has been losers like Santorum either. No Newt. Rick Perry? You only have one time to make a good impression. God forbid Mitt again. I like Walker, but he might not have the charisma (but that is what primaries are for). I want to see a deeper pool of talent in the primaries.

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CrustyB
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:13 pm

On the contrary. If I don’t vote for whatever loser the Republican party shoves into my face I have every right to criticize. You who voted to put him there have no right to complain. Caveat emptor.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:18 pm

You can still choose whether or not to leave your kids in government schools. Common Core or not, I’d say get them the hell out of there today. Right Freaking Now.

But with an Open Borders President, you have no choice. You don’t matter.

Jeb is Open Borders. End of nation.
Cactus Ed
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:18 pm

The same pattern has been repeating itself since November 5, 1996 , when the GOP’s acquiescence to the left, which had been building since before then, started to become most evident. The Left, in any other terms, has elected our candidates, and denigrated the more suitable ones, yet another way for the Left to more easily impose its agenda.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:20 pm

Exactly!

Vote West or Cruz, every single chance you get. Write in or primary, never let them tell you what your choices are.

I think we all should simply get behind a Cruz/West ticket no matter what. Drag the conservo talk-radio folks into it. Drag the bloggers and media hacks into it.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:21 pm

You are correct on all three points.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:22 pm

Yeah, about .01% partially. The GOP has the vast majority of blame there.

Anyone falling for their crap again is a sucker, plain and simple.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:24 pm

Of course the “gay marriage debate” isn’t over.

People can be gay all they want, but they don’t get to tell me what marriage is.
K-Bob
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:26 pm

And then he came out with these recent, ridiculously RINO-tastic pronouncements on Obamacare and Minimum Wage.

He’s doing the Charlie Crist act now.
Quartermaster
May 13th, 2014 @ 12:37 pm

Our ancestors lost it in the 1860 presidential election.