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Elections Have Consequences. Will GOP Victory = ‘Consequences’ Consequences?

Posted on | October 28, 2014 | 90 Comments

by Smitty

You’ve got to love The Week: “Why the GOP must pass a real ObamaCare replacement after it wins the Senate“. That sounds like ‘bargaining’ on the Kübler-Ross Model.

Keep in mind that ObamaCare is the new plantation. To hell with this Commie thinking that we can’t reject this plantation without moving onto a new one.

The bigger danger is that the Republican reticence signals an interest in power, with no corresponding interest in reform. This could really blow the lid off of our single, Progressive Party system in time for Her Majesty’s coronation in 2017.

Category: Health Care, Republicans

Comments

90 Responses to “Elections Have Consequences. Will GOP Victory = ‘Consequences’ Consequences?”

  1. Adobe_Walls
    October 28th, 2014 @ 6:34 pm

    Hater.

  2. Adobe_Walls
    October 28th, 2014 @ 6:42 pm

    Impeachment is an idle threat. There is nothing that Obama could do that would get any Dem senator to vote for it. No public pressure, not even lynching can change that. For a Social Democrat senator to vote for conviction of the first black president, at a minimum it would cost them their seat and destroy their party.

  3. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    October 28th, 2014 @ 7:45 pm

    I am all for it in principal, but I know that people will freak if their tax burden suddenly jumps 100% (which is what would happen if you just did a strait flat tax).

  4. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    October 28th, 2014 @ 7:45 pm

    The fair tax or consumption tax is not a flat income tax and I agree a consumption tax if properly implemented would be a good thing.

  5. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    October 28th, 2014 @ 7:48 pm

    A VAT is only acceptable if they repeal the income tax along with it. You cannot have both. That would be an abomination.

  6. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    October 28th, 2014 @ 7:49 pm

    A consumption tax should only be charged once.

  7. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    October 28th, 2014 @ 7:49 pm

    Abomination that too!

  8. Quartermaster
    October 28th, 2014 @ 7:52 pm

    I agree with you. That’s why the country is not going to survive.

  9. Mike G.
    October 28th, 2014 @ 8:51 pm

    You beat me to it. I have used a whole industrial size bottle of brain bleach and still can’t get that horrendous image out of my head.

  10. Art Deco
    October 28th, 2014 @ 11:48 pm

    He says:

    “So the biggest challenge we are going to have is — I do think at some
    point we’ll get there — is the transition of Obamacare back to a system
    that empowers patients and doctors to make choices that are good for
    their own health as opposed to doing what the government is dictating
    they should do.”

    You’re bound and determined. Just make it up (but don’t insist we read it; leave it in your diary).

  11. richard mcenroe
    October 29th, 2014 @ 1:17 am

    Describe for me a “better” Federal health system that magically improves efficiency by adding a whole new massive layer of federal control over states and counties.

    What in the recent CDC kerfuffle makes you think the feds are capable of managing healthcare, period? What in indescribable overruns of Medicare, or the rampant Medicare and Medicaid fraud?

  12. Adjoran
    October 29th, 2014 @ 1:47 am

    If only it were that easy.

    Millions of policies have been replaced with different and more expensive ones that cover a required set of conditions. The old policies aren’t in a closet somewhere to be dusted off, the whole actuarial process must begin from scratch.

    And we will never get rid of the pre-existing conditions waver, either. The best we can do is replace that will a national high-risk pool like some states do with car insurance. Again, this can’t happen overnight.

    Obama destroyed the existing system. It isn’t there anymore, period.

    It’s easy to make sweeping statements that please the crowd, harder to deliver something they won’t hang you for next week.

  13. Adjoran
    October 29th, 2014 @ 1:49 am

    Yeah, trading a $150K job he had to reapply for every six years and raise his own money for the effort with a $1.2 million a year job must have been a really tough decision.

  14. Adjoran
    October 29th, 2014 @ 1:52 am

    The problem is the guy who set the fire clear-cut the forest first.

    Putting out the fire doesn’t get the forest back.

    Get it?

  15. Adjoran
    October 29th, 2014 @ 1:54 am

    Unions. They will be crushed by millions of new workers willing to work cheap.

  16. Adjoran
    October 29th, 2014 @ 1:58 am

    The problem isn’t the Medicaid extensions. States already agreed to that, it will be hard to take back, although it is long past time to require copays from all of them.

    The problem is the people who lost their existing plans because they didn’t meet the new requirements, making them so expensive that subsidies were required, and those who’ve lost work coverage or hours because of it.

    Simple repeal doesn’t restore the status quo ante.

  17. Adobe_Walls
    October 29th, 2014 @ 4:30 am

    Do I detect a note of cynicism?

  18. Adobe_Walls
    October 29th, 2014 @ 4:38 am

    That’s why I prefer Sowell’s cancer analogy.

  19. Adobe_Walls
    October 29th, 2014 @ 4:44 am

    I don’t think that will stop Obama from giving blanket amnesty and crushing the union isn’t enough quid pro quo for us to just say go for it.

  20. Adobe_Walls
    October 29th, 2014 @ 5:23 am

    Quite correct that we can’t get that tooth paste back in the tube. But returning to the status quo ante would be far from ideal anyway. Obamacare does nothing to improve care or make it cheaper. For far less than promised it expands coverage, which is a wholly different subject. Millions of Americans will learn the difference over the next couple of years. Millions will decide to forego non emergency treatment because even though they have subsidized coverage they can’t afford to meet the deductibles first. Any solutions to ”fix” Obamacare will involve evermore money. It’s not of a question of if it crashes but when and whether it takes to whole economy with it.

  21. trangbang68
    October 29th, 2014 @ 7:12 am

    So should we all change our name to Julio Gonzalez so we can fit in the new America? Is there no stopping Obama ruling by executive action fiat? What’s next after immigration, gun confiscation> Overturn the 22nd Amendment?

  22. Quartermaster
    October 29th, 2014 @ 7:55 am

    I think the entire economy will go down, but Zer0care is simply one of the factors that will bring it about, and not even the most influential.

  23. Quartermaster
    October 29th, 2014 @ 7:56 am

    Reality, OTOH, sells nothing. It simply stuffs it down your throat. Whether or not you like it is completely irrelevant.

  24. Quartermaster
    October 29th, 2014 @ 7:59 am

    You’re biased!

  25. Quartermaster
    October 29th, 2014 @ 8:00 am

    The way both parties are going, we have less than 10 years left.

  26. Quartermaster
    October 29th, 2014 @ 8:02 am

    You would starve Congresscritters? The SPCA would like to have a word with you.

  27. Quartermaster
    October 29th, 2014 @ 8:03 am

    Just remember, you are dealing with Adjoran.

  28. Quartermaster
    October 29th, 2014 @ 8:04 am

    I say make steaks out of her!

  29. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    October 29th, 2014 @ 10:31 am

    That unfortunately is true. The first principle in medicine is “do no harm.” An alternative has to be provided to deal with the disaster caused by Obamacare.

  30. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    October 29th, 2014 @ 10:32 am

    I would vote myself down for it!

  31. K-Bob
    October 29th, 2014 @ 4:53 pm

    I suspect DeMint felt the same way a lot of us are feeling. Namely, that someone has to start the process of Restoration, and clearly Restoration is something Congress is unable and unwilling to tackle.

    So moving over to Heritage and keeping the Senate Conservatives Fund moving (Cuccinelli now runs it) have made him more effective in helping the fight against the RINO types than he could have been while standing in the well of the Senate.

  32. K-Bob
    October 29th, 2014 @ 5:03 pm

    Found in garbage can at GOP focus-group, talking-points-testing chambers…

    Just a minute, while we replace that terrible millstone around your neck with this new, electronic version, which only weighs you down when you try to be more prosperous.

    Sincerely, Your Friendly RINO party

  33. Adobe_Walls
    October 29th, 2014 @ 5:04 pm

    For all practical purposes there is no stopping Obama ruling by executive fiat short of armed rebellion. However he knows he must pick his perfidies carefully. So gun confiscation is out as that will bring people off the porch. Obama doesn’t want a 3rd term and knows he couldn’t get reelected to one anyway. Impeachment is an idle threat not just because of Dem senators but because of Republicans in both houses. They have neither the intestinal fortitude or the integrity to do ”the right thing” whatever the consequences. The GOP simply aren’t ”kick the poker table over” kind of guys.

  34. Adobe_Walls
    October 29th, 2014 @ 5:38 pm

    I’ve been conversing with Adjoran here for at least four years. He’s one of the smartest commenters and when not feeling overly badgered one of the funniest. He’s what I call a doctrinaire conservative Republican and has faith in the GOP. He believes that with enough unity of effort and unity with and within the GOP we can set the nation aright or at least nearly so.

    http://thecampofthesaints.org/category/adjoran/

  35. Quartermaster
    October 29th, 2014 @ 8:08 pm

    Doctrinaire conservative and Faith in the GOP, simply don’t go together. The GOP has never been a conservative party since its founding, and never will be.

  36. Adobe_Walls
    October 29th, 2014 @ 8:28 pm

    I didn’t say he was a conservative, I said he was a Doctrinaire Conservative Republican or if you prefer a Doctrinaire Republican conservative. You’re entirely correct that the GOP has never been nor will ever be a conservative party. You are also correct that, philosophically, conservative and faith in the GOP don’t go together. However that statement is incorrect in reality. Far to often conservative and faith in the GOP do in fact *go together* which is of course THE problem.

  37. Quartermaster
    October 30th, 2014 @ 8:27 am

    When I say “don’t go together” I am pointing out the conflict in reasoning that generates the problem.
    I would not call Adjoran any sort of conservative. He has far too much cognitive dissonance for me to accord such a title to him.

  38. Adobe_Walls
    October 30th, 2014 @ 9:05 am

    I’ll let Adjoran argue his conservative bona fides with you if he likes.

  39. Quartermaster
    October 30th, 2014 @ 6:41 pm

    I’ve seen what he is. He’s just a shill for the GOPe.

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