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Will Libertarians Decry The Boston Tea Party?

Posted on | September 2, 2010 | 198 Comments

by Smitty (h/t Dan Riehl)

I was just listening to the Levin rant, which is a must-hear. Levin starts with the Boston Tea Party. Dumping the tea into Boston Harbor was a gross violation of private property.
That’s a cute historical point, but, if those Bostonians had been fully committed to Libertarian navel-gazing, we’d still be under a monarchy.
So, if the people then were intolerant of oppression fromo London, and are considered patriots, why are New Yorkers asking for space between the area impacted by the 9/11 attack and a mosque not also patriots for resisting what could be considered an act of oppression?
Over to you Kn@ppster.

Category: Libertarians

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198 Responses to “Will Libertarians Decry The Boston Tea Party?”

  1. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

    @Randy Rager

    Apparently, you seem to have lost your mind.

    I’m using a date from your comment…

    Now when your anger soothes and some semblance of balance comes to your mind, apologize for making a typo*.

    *Maybe you meant 1857(India’s First War of Independence; Indian Rebellion; Crown takes over the East India Company’s rule of India; British Raj begins.)

    or 1947(India gains Independence from the British)

    PS. Did your/friends or family’s job got shipped to India? Just wondering.

    PPS.

    IMPORTANT /TOM ALERT!

    Smitty et al, maybe you guys may want to report Randy Rager just in case he doesn’t flip out (see his two comments above; one nutty and other angry )like the recent eco-terrorist and does something terrible to others or himself.

  2. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

    Hey Boob:

    Don’t encourage the nut.

  3. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 2:56 pm

    Hey Boob:

    Don’t encourage the nut.

  4. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 6:59 pm

    Or maybe my finger slipped, you fucking numbnut.

    The simple explanation is the one that always escapes the conspiracy loving wackazoid, isn’t it?

  5. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 2:59 pm

    Or maybe my finger slipped, you fucking numbnut.

    The simple explanation is the one that always escapes the conspiracy loving wackazoid, isn’t it?

  6. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:08 pm

    “Or maybe my finger slipped” ~Randy Rager

    And maybe your mind lapsed and brain got damaged and your eyes twitched. Whatever. But I won’t apologize! Not for the abusive and vulgar language of course, but for asking presumptuous questions like “Do you even read the shit you copy/paste?”.

  7. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:08 pm

    I don’t know what you’re getting so worked up about. No matter what year you start with, India is a hellhole of a country with a pathetic excuse for a society.

    Bollywood is your greatest accomplishment, and Bollywood sucks.

    Smart money would be on giving yourselves back to the British, but if you had any smart money you wouldn’t be crowing about an 8% growth that, taken as objective number instead of a percentage, would shame fucking Rhode Island, for fuck’s sake.

    Ok, maybe I’m exaggerating just a little to get your goat, but the truth of the matter is that all the good Indians have already emigrated.

    To America.

  8. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:08 pm

    “Or maybe my finger slipped” ~Randy Rager

    And maybe your mind lapsed and brain got damaged and your eyes twitched. Whatever. But I won’t apologize! Not for the abusive and vulgar language of course, but for asking presumptuous questions like “Do you even read the shit you copy/paste?”.

  9. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:08 pm

    I don’t know what you’re getting so worked up about. No matter what year you start with, India is a hellhole of a country with a pathetic excuse for a society.

    Bollywood is your greatest accomplishment, and Bollywood sucks.

    Smart money would be on giving yourselves back to the British, but if you had any smart money you wouldn’t be crowing about an 8% growth that, taken as objective number instead of a percentage, would shame fucking Rhode Island, for fuck’s sake.

    Ok, maybe I’m exaggerating just a little to get your goat, but the truth of the matter is that all the good Indians have already emigrated.

    To America.

  10. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:20 pm

    “I don’t know what you’re getting so worked up about. No matter what year you start with…”

    You are real joker Randy. Oh, and a pathetic excuse for an American.

  11. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:20 pm

    “I don’t know what you’re getting so worked up about. No matter what year you start with…”

    You are real joker Randy. Oh, and a pathetic excuse for an American.

  12. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:28 pm

    Like you would have the faintest idea what makes a good American.

  13. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

    Like you would have the faintest idea what makes a good American.

  14. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:44 pm

    …all the good Indians have already emigrated.

    To America.

    LOL.

    Anyway, here’s a new trend: Reverse Brain Drain…Gee I wonder why?

    19 August 2010

    US ‘reverse brain drain’ to India now in full swing

    BBC News, Washington

    (emphasis mine)

    Years ago, the Silicon Valley beckoned the best IT minds from India.

    But the exchange of ideas and innovations after nearly two decades has reversed the trend.

    The charm of the US is wearing off. India’s own Silicon Valleys are now at the forefront of innovation and they are attracting its shining lights back home from the US.

    There was a time when nearly 90% of graduates passing out of the prestigious Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) headed to the West. But not any more.

    Most of the returnees say the gap in salaries in the two countries has been steadily decreasing.

    Money is indeed an important factor but it’s not the main reason for the reverse traffic.

    […]

    …why the reverse migration is happening: “Jobs are aplenty in India and now venture capitalists are also available, so capital for start-up ventures for new entrepreneurs is easily available in India.”

    Radhesh Balakrishnan, a senior marketing executive in a Seattle-based software company, does not believe there is much of a difference in the cultures of the two countries.

    “As to growing up here versus India, we were surprised to see that there is not much difference between kids of well-settled parents in Delhi and Mumbai and their counterparts in the US – along several dimensions,” he said.

  15. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

    …all the good Indians have already emigrated.

    To America.

    LOL.

    Anyway, here’s a new trend: Reverse Brain Drain…Gee I wonder why?

    19 August 2010

    US ‘reverse brain drain’ to India now in full swing

    BBC News, Washington

    (emphasis mine)

    Years ago, the Silicon Valley beckoned the best IT minds from India.

    But the exchange of ideas and innovations after nearly two decades has reversed the trend.

    The charm of the US is wearing off. India’s own Silicon Valleys are now at the forefront of innovation and they are attracting its shining lights back home from the US.

    There was a time when nearly 90% of graduates passing out of the prestigious Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) headed to the West. But not any more.

    Most of the returnees say the gap in salaries in the two countries has been steadily decreasing.

    Money is indeed an important factor but it’s not the main reason for the reverse traffic.

    […]

    …why the reverse migration is happening: “Jobs are aplenty in India and now venture capitalists are also available, so capital for start-up ventures for new entrepreneurs is easily available in India.”

    Radhesh Balakrishnan, a senior marketing executive in a Seattle-based software company, does not believe there is much of a difference in the cultures of the two countries.

    “As to growing up here versus India, we were surprised to see that there is not much difference between kids of well-settled parents in Delhi and Mumbai and their counterparts in the US – along several dimensions,” he said.

  16. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:48 pm

    BWAHAHAH!

    You’re celebrating the fact that the losers that can’t hack it in America are running home like whipped curs?

    You’re more pathetic than I thought, and I thought you were pretty fucking pathetic.

  17. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:48 pm

    BWAHAHAH!

    You’re celebrating the fact that the losers that can’t hack it in America are running home like whipped curs?

    You’re more pathetic than I thought, and I thought you were pretty fucking pathetic.

  18. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

    …8% growth that, taken as objective number instead of a percentage, would shame fucking Rhode Island, for fuck’s sake.

    Ok, maybe I’m exaggerating just a little to get your goat,..

    “Just a little” as in Rhode Island’s state GDP (PPP) is about 1/8th that of 8% of that of India’s GDP (PPP) (or greater than that of Virginia’s or Greece’s or Austria or Venezuela’s if you will). No exaggeration or understatement there.

  19. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

    …8% growth that, taken as objective number instead of a percentage, would shame fucking Rhode Island, for fuck’s sake.

    Ok, maybe I’m exaggerating just a little to get your goat,..

    “Just a little” as in Rhode Island’s state GDP (PPP) is about 1/8th that of 8% of that of India’s GDP (PPP) (or greater than that of Virginia’s or Greece’s or Austria or Venezuela’s if you will). No exaggeration or understatement there.

  20. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

    Poor Randy, what a Good American loser in America with nowhere else in the evil rest-of-the-world to go!

  21. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 3:59 pm

    Poor Randy, what a Good American loser in America with nowhere else in the evil rest-of-the-world to go!

  22. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

    You’re celebrating the fact that the losers that can’t hack it in America are running home like whipped curs?

    Its more like i’m celebrating this fact which was quoted earlier:

    There was a time when nearly 90% of graduates passing out of the prestigious Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) headed to the West. But not any more.

    IITians are the best and the brightest in/from India. In fact they are among the in the world. And i would be understating. The fact that they are not just leaving their country to the US as they used to (even in a recession, the US companies know the value of an IIT graduate), is a testament to the fact that India is growing by leaps and bounds.

  23. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:08 pm

    You’re celebrating the fact that the losers that can’t hack it in America are running home like whipped curs?

    Its more like i’m celebrating this fact which was quoted earlier:

    There was a time when nearly 90% of graduates passing out of the prestigious Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) headed to the West. But not any more.

    IITians are the best and the brightest in/from India. In fact they are among the in the world. And i would be understating. The fact that they are not just leaving their country to the US as they used to (even in a recession, the US companies know the value of an IIT graduate), is a testament to the fact that India is growing by leaps and bounds.

  24. Adobe Walls
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:17 pm

    At young4eyes #25 You fail to appreciate that the British provided the nicest possible “colonialist oppression” not to mention state of the art “colonialist oppression” available at that time. Their high standard of “colonialist oppression” was not surpassed or improved upon until the good ol USA entered the game after 1898.

  25. Adobe Walls
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:17 pm

    At young4eyes #25 You fail to appreciate that the British provided the nicest possible “colonialist oppression” not to mention state of the art “colonialist oppression” available at that time. Their high standard of “colonialist oppression” was not surpassed or improved upon until the good ol USA entered the game after 1898.

  26. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:24 pm

    I’m sorry inform you Randy that India is not a hellhole like you imagine. I understand though, although you are in America, your life happens to be in a shithole. If it makes you feel better to imagine that your life is better than a beggar living in a sewage pipe in India, please do so.

    PS. Btw to use Boob Belvedere’s phraseology, I think POTUS Barack Obama is the best thing that ever happened to your in life in America.

  27. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

    I’m sorry inform you Randy that India is not a hellhole like you imagine. I understand though, although you are in America, your life happens to be in a shithole. If it makes you feel better to imagine that your life is better than a beggar living in a sewage pipe in India, please do so.

    PS. Btw to use Boob Belvedere’s phraseology, I think POTUS Barack Obama is the best thing that ever happened to your in life in America.

  28. young4eyes
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:26 pm

    Adobe,
    you mean like the state of the art oppression you wingnuts are experiencing now? Oh, then great! I’m all for it!
    Let’s elevate all the hicks in this country!

  29. young4eyes
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

    Adobe,
    you mean like the state of the art oppression you wingnuts are experiencing now? Oh, then great! I’m all for it!
    Let’s elevate all the hicks in this country!

  30. young4eyes
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:29 pm

    Randy is an uninformed hick from some shithole hicktown who thinks that everything outside the US border resembles the planet Jawa.
    He’s probably upset that some brilliant Indian national is taking his job away from him because he just can’t compete with the Indian intellect…
    It’s true…

  31. young4eyes
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:29 pm

    Randy is an uninformed hick from some shithole hicktown who thinks that everything outside the US border resembles the planet Jawa.
    He’s probably upset that some brilliant Indian national is taking his job away from him because he just can’t compete with the Indian intellect…
    It’s true…

  32. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

    “… losers that can’t hack it in America…”

    Also funny, Randy Rager seems to imply that all those who currently lost their jobs in the bad economy in the US are most likely LOSERS. Or perhpas only those who leave America for a good and satisfying job elesewhere are the LOSERS! So Randy Rager can NEVER be a LOSER after all as long as he lives in America even if his life is a metaphorical shithole compared to the bygone American Dream in the Obama Era.

  33. waylay
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:37 pm

    “… losers that can’t hack it in America…”

    Also funny, Randy Rager seems to imply that all those who currently lost their jobs in the bad economy in the US are most likely LOSERS. Or perhpas only those who leave America for a good and satisfying job elesewhere are the LOSERS! So Randy Rager can NEVER be a LOSER after all as long as he lives in America even if his life is a metaphorical shithole compared to the bygone American Dream in the Obama Era.

  34. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

    Rhode Island is our smallest state. It has a little more than 3,000 square kilometers and a little more than 1,000,000 people.

    India, on the other hand, has 3,287,240 square kilometers and 1,185,483,000 people.

    Rhode Island’s per capita income (nominal) is approximately 21,000 and India’s per capita income is approximately 1,000.

    So with over a thousand times the area and 1100 times the people, India manages all of 1/21 the per capita income.

    Of our smallest state.

    That ranks 45th in GSP.

    Would you like me to compare India to California, Texas or New York?

  35. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

    Rhode Island is our smallest state. It has a little more than 3,000 square kilometers and a little more than 1,000,000 people.

    India, on the other hand, has 3,287,240 square kilometers and 1,185,483,000 people.

    Rhode Island’s per capita income (nominal) is approximately 21,000 and India’s per capita income is approximately 1,000.

    So with over a thousand times the area and 1100 times the people, India manages all of 1/21 the per capita income.

    Of our smallest state.

    That ranks 45th in GSP.

    Would you like me to compare India to California, Texas or New York?

  36. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:38 pm

    Rhode Island is our smallest state. It has a little more than 3,000 square kilometers and a little more than 1,000,000 people.

    India, on the other hand, has 3,287,240 square kilometers and 1,185,483,000 people.

    Rhode Island’s per capita income (nominal) is approximately 21,000 and India’s per capita income is approximately 1,000.

    So with over a thousand times the area and 1100 times the people, India manages all of 1/21 the per capita income.

    Of our smallest state.

    That ranks 45th in GSP.

    Would you like me to compare India to California, Texas or New York?

  37. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

    I’ve traveled. The rest of the world sucks. I’ll stay here, thanks.

  38. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

    I’ve traveled. The rest of the world sucks. I’ll stay here, thanks.

  39. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:41 pm

    I’ve traveled. The rest of the world sucks. I’ll stay here, thanks.

  40. republicanmother
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

    Wow, this thread got interesting. I’ll just say that’s its not fair to generalize a country with a billion people. We (my kids and I) learned about India a couple of years ago in our homeschool through the Story of the World vol. 3. I had to keep repeating the India timeline just to keep it straight for myself – it’s pretty intense. Yes, the British definitely wedged their way in, but do I blame the British? No, I blame the true enemy of us all -central bankers.

  41. republicanmother
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

    Wow, this thread got interesting. I’ll just say that’s its not fair to generalize a country with a billion people. We (my kids and I) learned about India a couple of years ago in our homeschool through the Story of the World vol. 3. I had to keep repeating the India timeline just to keep it straight for myself – it’s pretty intense. Yes, the British definitely wedged their way in, but do I blame the British? No, I blame the true enemy of us all -central bankers.

  42. republicanmother
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:43 pm

    Wow, this thread got interesting. I’ll just say that’s its not fair to generalize a country with a billion people. We (my kids and I) learned about India a couple of years ago in our homeschool through the Story of the World vol. 3. I had to keep repeating the India timeline just to keep it straight for myself – it’s pretty intense. Yes, the British definitely wedged their way in, but do I blame the British? No, I blame the true enemy of us all -central bankers.

  43. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:48 pm

    Generalizing other countries is incredibly useful (and fun!) when trolling Leftards.

    Central bankers, eh? Yeah, my grandad used to rave about those. But then, he used to rave about a lot of things before he had that tumor taken out of his head. You haven’t had any unexplained recurring headaches lately, have you?

  44. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:48 pm

    Generalizing other countries is incredibly useful (and fun!) when trolling Leftards.

    Central bankers, eh? Yeah, my grandad used to rave about those. But then, he used to rave about a lot of things before he had that tumor taken out of his head. You haven’t had any unexplained recurring headaches lately, have you?

  45. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:48 pm

    Generalizing other countries is incredibly useful (and fun!) when trolling Leftards.

    Central bankers, eh? Yeah, my grandad used to rave about those. But then, he used to rave about a lot of things before he had that tumor taken out of his head. You haven’t had any unexplained recurring headaches lately, have you?

  46. Thomas L. Knapp
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

    India certainly seems to be advancing fast.

    My wife works at a prestigious private medical school. Two of the doctors in her department, who are married to each other, recently decided to return to India to raise their young son.

    I know that’s anecdotal, but it seems to me that some of the “reverse drain” may not be based on India’s economic gains per se, but rather on Indians coming to America, making good money, saving that money and moving back home for not-specifically-economic reasons.

    I hope that there’s not a HUGE surge in self-repatriation. We live a few minutes from a largely Indian neighborhood and I’d hate to see its restaurants and groceries leave.

  47. Thomas L. Knapp
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

    India certainly seems to be advancing fast.

    My wife works at a prestigious private medical school. Two of the doctors in her department, who are married to each other, recently decided to return to India to raise their young son.

    I know that’s anecdotal, but it seems to me that some of the “reverse drain” may not be based on India’s economic gains per se, but rather on Indians coming to America, making good money, saving that money and moving back home for not-specifically-economic reasons.

    I hope that there’s not a HUGE surge in self-repatriation. We live a few minutes from a largely Indian neighborhood and I’d hate to see its restaurants and groceries leave.

  48. Thomas L. Knapp
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

    India certainly seems to be advancing fast.

    My wife works at a prestigious private medical school. Two of the doctors in her department, who are married to each other, recently decided to return to India to raise their young son.

    I know that’s anecdotal, but it seems to me that some of the “reverse drain” may not be based on India’s economic gains per se, but rather on Indians coming to America, making good money, saving that money and moving back home for not-specifically-economic reasons.

    I hope that there’s not a HUGE surge in self-repatriation. We live a few minutes from a largely Indian neighborhood and I’d hate to see its restaurants and groceries leave.

  49. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 8:57 pm

    I have an Indian doctor whom I respect greatly, a larger than expected chunk of my clients are Indian and I dearly love Indian food.

    I’m also quite happy to see India advance and I believe that Barack Obama is royally screwing the pooch by not pursuing closer relations with India.

    Like, say, George W. Bush did.

    That being said, today’s troll of the Leftards here was immensely satisfying. I may have to go have a cigar.

  50. Randy Rager
    September 2nd, 2010 @ 4:57 pm

    I have an Indian doctor whom I respect greatly, a larger than expected chunk of my clients are Indian and I dearly love Indian food.

    I’m also quite happy to see India advance and I believe that Barack Obama is royally screwing the pooch by not pursuing closer relations with India.

    Like, say, George W. Bush did.

    That being said, today’s troll of the Leftards here was immensely satisfying. I may have to go have a cigar.

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