Boehner: Have I Pissed Off The Tea Party Enough Lately? Maybe Not

Posted on | November 4, 2011 | 54 Comments

by Smitty

House Speaker John Boehner addressed one of the biggest sticking points for the 12 member Congressional “supercommittee” today, acknowledging that any bipartisan agreement will need to include some new tax revenue.
“I think there is room for revenues, but I think there clearly is a limit to the amount of revenues that are available,” Boehner told reporters.

Maybe, just maybe, it’s time that conservatives thought about forming a second major political party in this country. The Dem/Dem-Lite siamese twins are really, really tiresome.

via Alan Colmes

Category: John Boehner, Republicans

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54 Responses to “Boehner: Have I Pissed Off The Tea Party Enough Lately? Maybe Not”

Joe
November 4th, 2011 @ 10:44 am

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2011/11/the-cain-humiliation-conservatives-arent-ready-to-ascend.html

Dan thinks the conservative movement and the Cainiacs are a clown act. I think he is talking about us?

Thank God this is happening a year before the election. That is the only good thing from it.
DaveO
November 4th, 2011 @ 10:44 am

Depends on the revenues: if the GOP is shutting down the 47% who pay no taxes (excluding those who live below poverty levels), then I’m fine with that. Good to have the rest of America add some skin to the money game.

If the GOP is just doing its usual to BBQ the entreprenurial class, I’m happy to contribute time and money to whomever is running against the GOP.
ThePaganTemple
November 4th, 2011 @ 10:55 am

Somebody needs to crunch the numbers and see what the likely result would be in electoral terms. But what I see basically happening under that scenario is conservative Democrats banding with RINOs to become the predominate party of a three party system, and staying predominant for a good twenty years.

Or, you can do it the smart way, build the conservative movement from the ground up over time until you eventually control the Republican Party, which should take no more than half the time, at most, that it would take to build a successful or even competitive third party.

But in order to do that, you are going to have to, you know, do outreach? Explain things to people? Educate them about the benefits of conservative principles?

But naw, that’s too much trouble, let’s just keep bitching at the RINO’s that will work eventually.
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AngelaTC
November 4th, 2011 @ 11:17 am

New Party won’t happen. Old Party tightly controls the system, including ballot access and the televised debates, which they took away from the League of Women Voters after those silly broads allowed that Perot guy in, which nearly gave Old Party a case of the vapors. If the media wasn’t owned by the corporations that benefit from the endless largess, perhaps they would refuse to air debates that didn’t allow viable 3rd party candidates access to the stage.

Then again, I wish I had a pony, too.
Zilla of the Resistance
November 4th, 2011 @ 11:20 am

No third party until AFTER we rid ourselves of Obama! Also, the smarter thing to do would be for Conservatives to take back the Republican party and chase the RINO jackasses out so the can join the dems, where they belong. We send BooHoo crying all the way out of OUR House by encouraging Ohio voters to put up a Conservative challenger for the 2012 Republican primary.
richard mcenroe
November 4th, 2011 @ 11:21 am

Gosh, if only we had a charismatic, vetted leader who hadn’t been pushed out of the party by everything from bald campaign advisers to bloggers throwing marathon twitter tantrums. But where could we have found someone like that?

I have marched for the GOP, phone banked for the GOP, literally fought in the streets for the GOP. But if someone starts to organize a serious third party devoted to Consitutional principles of government, I’ll listen to them… and I suspect millions of other Americans will too.
richard mcenroe
November 4th, 2011 @ 11:22 am

Yeah, outreach. “Hi, I’m the better side of the Republican Party and I’d like you to… Speaker Boehner just did what?”
ThePaganTemple
November 4th, 2011 @ 11:28 am

You’re wrong, I’m always seeing debates with minor party candidates. Usually either Greens or Libertarians, or both. Granted, this is usually at the state or local level, but many times you see it for national office elections, like for Senator. I’m not sure, but I think there was a minor party candidate involved in the last Alaska Senate debates, and also, I think Colorado and some other places. But when it comes to president, nobody wants to see some idiot like Ralph Nader with his two or three percent in the polls take up debate time. If they had a format that was more like a cage match, then it might be valuable, but this business of asking a question and limiting candidates to a one minute response and thirty second rebuttal isn’t geared well towards multiple candidates, as we have witnessed in the recent GOP debates. The overall time limitation on the debates, with their one or two hour time allotment for network or cable news television, is just not conducive to giving time to a candidate who has a fringe following at best.
just a conservative girl
November 4th, 2011 @ 11:50 am

This is reality. We cannot pay down the debt with cuts alone. I will gladly pay more taxes if it actually went to pay down the debt and they stop wasting the money that they have.

I think many people in this country feel the same. But until they get serious about wasting my tax dollars, not one more dime.
Matt Knowles
November 4th, 2011 @ 11:51 am

If Romney is the GOP nominee, and Sarah Palin runs on a 3rd party ticket, I would vote for her without a moment’s hesitation.
Info
November 4th, 2011 @ 11:58 am

Let’s not get all Grover Norquist quite yet. Of course the MFM leads with more revenue !!!1!!eleventy!!! but every report I’ve read is that they’re looking at eliminating carve-outs whether Grover Norquist likes it or not.

Of course Grover Norquist gets paid handsomely by the beneficieries of those carve-outs…
Joe
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:09 pm

This goes to show how critical it is that conservatives win more House and Senate seats.
CalMark
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:10 pm

The only way a New Party will work is if one of the two major parties collapses spontaneously.

In the late 1840s, that happened with the Whigs–two-faced about slavery, the mid-19th century version of “bipartisanship.”

So now…we have the same thing. The GOP might very well collapse spontaneously. If so, good riddance. If not, we’ll have to do our best to continue the takeover.

I really think they’re doing this on purpose. Boehner & Co. might be willing to sacrifice everything–their majority, the Presidency, even the party itself–to keep the current, corrupt status quo.

Boehner and those like him are corrupt, two-faced, statist scum. God help us–and I mean that literally.
DaveO
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:12 pm

The third leg on this stool, along with cuts and increases is spending priorities. DOD, DOS, the administration of the core of the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches, and whatever is governed by pre-existing treaty should be paid for. Everything else goes.

The flip side: tens of thousands of government workers will be let go; and hundred of thousands more will go into retirement. None of which costs more than Education, Energy, and DHS.
ThePaganTemple
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:17 pm

That’s what primaries are for, Richard.
Joe
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:18 pm

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=31822

A serious response to Mr. Riehl.
ThePaganTemple
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:19 pm

We can’t chase out the RINOs nor would that even be desirable. We need them in some places, and will for some time to come. The important thing is getting enough people in office to become the predominant wing of the party.
SDN
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:22 pm

Sure we can pay it down with cuts. Restrict government to what the Constitution allows and current revenues will cover it and then some. Of course, the moocher class will have to be thinned out.
ThePaganTemple
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:23 pm

Yeah, millions of people will listen to third party candidates, and come election day they will vote for them in the tens of thousands.
Info
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:31 pm

You are willing to bet the future existence of our country that none of the five ” conservative” justices will not die in O’s second term?

Ballsy. Stupid, but ballsy…
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:46 pm

First “conservative Democrats” are like big foot you often hear of them but never from them (a common problem with mythical beasts) so the RINOs will have to join with the two or three moderate SDs.
While you may be correct that a muddled middle party might do well politically for a couple cycles that can’t last. The Bolsheviks and other assorted Red leftists who infest the departments and agencies will continue their regulatory reign of terror that is tormenting the economy and our individual rights and freedoms.

If conservatives are unable to unite enough to or persuasive enough to convince the average American that a total about face on growth of government and the necessity of overthrowing the progressive coup de ta the economy and the Republic will collapse. Conservative ascendancy is the only way to save this country indeed the world.
mojo
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:50 pm

Wrong approach entirely.

Cut, cut, cut – cut the Federal Government into chunks. Drop entire Departments, along with their associated Cabinet Secretaries. Education could go tomorrow. Start slicing large, bloody chunks off of the bloated and indolent HHS, and send Sibelius back to Kansas. Get her a dog or something, just keep her away from the controls, please…
ThePaganTemple
November 4th, 2011 @ 12:58 pm

Sure. All you got to do is tell them they can’t get an abortion even if they’re raped by fifty men and are about to give birth to a three headed freak and they’ll beat a path to the polls to vote for you.
ThePaganTemple
November 4th, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

By the way, its not really that hard to find a conservative Democrat. Hell I live in Kentucky, which is infested with them. They tend to be social and in some cases national defense conservatives, and economic moderates. They tend to be pro-union, but not always. See, the trick is in how you define conservative. To a Democrat it means something different in many cases. Just like to a Trotskyist, a Stalinist is a conservative. In other words, YMMV
Serfer1962
November 4th, 2011 @ 1:16 pm

Boehner needs to go. Hopefully in the primaries, if not voted out of Speaker…otherwise I hope I met him on the street…
Tennwriter
November 4th, 2011 @ 1:31 pm

The modern day equivalent of slavery is abortion.

The Whigs were the equivalent of the Fiscons. Basically we have the Wall Street Journal types thinking that they could have free enterprise sorta, and still boff their secretaries on a regular basis, and run the nation that way….and ticked off at the moralists who want REAL free enterprise and real social morality. It ain’t going to fly, you tell these modern day Whigs, and they scorn you.

The Democrats stood for the principle that a human being was of the same innate moral worth as a chair. They still do.

So yeah, the possibility of an almost spontaneous collapse is possible. The way to stop it is to get serious about doing the right thing all the way across the board. But that is going to involve pain, and honesty, and people don’t like that. I don’t.
Finrod Felagund
November 4th, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

Indeed. We need to primary these SOBs from Boehner on down.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 1:34 pm

If Romney is the nominee and Palin runs third party, Obama wins.

If Romney is the nominee and Palin doesn’t run third party, Obama wins.

So, whether or not Matt votes for Palin on a third party ticket has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not Obama gets a second term.
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November 4th, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

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Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 2:04 pm

The time for doing that grows late.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 2:12 pm

Your assessment is correct, but Palin ain’t running third party she may have no loyalty to many in the Republican party but she is loyal to the Republican party.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 2:17 pm

A little tweaking around the edges of the tax code is not an acceptable substitute for scrapping the tax code and starting over. If we eliminate the deductions the SDs don’t like, that will be the end of it.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 2:18 pm

I doubt she’ll run third party either. but my impression of Sarah Palin is that the only thing she’s ever been loyal to is Sarah Palin.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 2:31 pm

Her loyalty to the party may not be that deep but it’s there. Every politician’s calculation of what it means to be loyal has personal political calculus as part of that equation. Her endorsement of McCain which seemed to shock many in the TP was based party and personal loyalty to McCain and probably some calculation that his opponent would be able to beat McCain.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 2:45 pm

You don’t really think that we are going to pay off the debt do you? To cut half a trillion from the debt next year would require a yearly budget surplus of over two trillion dollars compared to this year.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 2:57 pm

The Republican party didn’t just start from scratch and then lure Discontented Whigs to join. The national GOP doesn’t own all the state and local units of the party. Local committees etc of the Whig party defected, basically taking what party infrastructure they controlled with them to the new party. This is one of the advantages to not giving money to the RNC, the fuller their coffers are the more money they can “share” with the smaller subunits of the party which of course allows them to exercise some control.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 3:07 pm

Does he have a reasonably viable primary opponent?
just a conservative girl
November 4th, 2011 @ 3:25 pm

They have done studies that show it would be next to impossible to pay down the debt in full without additional revenue at this point. Like I said I would be happy to pay a little more if it meant that my kids weren’t saddled with the debt.
just a conservative girl
November 4th, 2011 @ 3:27 pm

I don’t think they can do it an year or even ten for that matter. But if they get serious they can get it down to something more manageable and pay it off over time.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 4:08 pm

Using my example above and assuming we never deviated and the debt didn’t go over 15 trillion and assuming we started in fiscal year 2012 it would only take until 2042. Of course after the first years cut of a little over 1.5 trillion year over year plus the half trillion and assuming that the American people will stand for thirty years of taxes high enough to cover what ever spending increases are required plus a half a trillion we’d only need the half a trillion dollar yearly surplus dedicated to reducing the debt for 29 years. Manageable?
CalMark
November 4th, 2011 @ 4:16 pm

I’m pro-life/anti-abortion, but I’m sorry, but your arguments are incoherent.

The defining issue of the time in the mid-1800s was slavery.

The defining issue of OUR time is tyrannical government. Abortion is just one facet of that.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say in your post.
CalMark
November 4th, 2011 @ 4:27 pm

For a GOP collapse to happen, an alternative has to exist. You’re very right about that.

What happened more-or-less simultaneously was a very rare “perfect storm” of dual-spontaneity, a largely uncoordinated mass movement of people from one affiliation to another. “Something in the air,” in other words. Of course the Republicans were working hard to advance
their cause.

Just like the Tea Party in our time. To date, the Tea Party has not coalesced (and likely will not, if the GOP straightens up and flies right) into an actual political party.

However, some “straw” may “break the camel’s back,” leading to a GOP/Tea Party replay of the Whig/GOP shift.
CalMark
November 4th, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

His primary opponent is a wack-job pro-lifer obsessed with “fetuses.” That seems to be his primary campaign message. (Relax, pro-lifers, it’s not a takedown of you: even the loveliest families have their crazy uncles.)

Ironically, about the only thing Boehner is solid on other than “I love me” is pro-life.
CalMark
November 4th, 2011 @ 4:38 pm

“They” have done studies? You mean folks hired by the government who want to spend more? Really trustworthy report!

Cut the government–start with Obama’s 1.6 trillion deficits. Now we’re breaking even.

Then cut social services completely, and hand them over to the states–Medicare, SS, all that stuff. Same with welfare, EPA, and all the other “Progressive” nonsense. Promote Armed Services Secretaries back to cabinet level, and eliminate the Department of Defense–an enormously expensive bureaucracy we’ve never won a war with.

Cut income tax to stimulate the economy. Eliminate corporate, dividend, and capital gains taxes, and watch the money pour into the treasury.

Now we’re running a big surplus–say, $800B to $1T per year.

As the debt is paid down, interest payments go down. We could get it paid off in 8-10 years.
ThePaganTemple
November 4th, 2011 @ 4:38 pm

She’s loyal to her family more than the GOP for sure, which you should be willing to admit is commendable.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 6:28 pm

Yeah I was aware of him saw him on Cavuto I think, I was hoping there was a third candidate. As there’s no,t so much for getting rid of Speaker McClellan.
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

My point is that to some extent some part of the Republican Party has to be infiltrated or persuaded to change affiliation. If enough conservatives take control of say a precinct that precinct can unilaterally declare that they are now the conservative Party. If enough precinct and county committees do this a new party is being started from the ground up. The reason all of the third party presidential candidates never left any thing significant behind is that the effort was always solely to get a specific person elected with no effort to build a party that would survive those failing efforts. With the current level of division in the country and within the parties the time for another party may have arrived. The awareness of the danger of debt and deficits is for instance seems to be much greater than when Perot ran.
Serfer1962
November 4th, 2011 @ 8:05 pm

Walls what you are missing is the same for OHbama, its anyone but…Bozo the clownreplacing Boehner would start at the bottom with NO senority.
But the best is it would signal other rinos and thats more important then the replacement itself…think stratigically
Anonymous
November 4th, 2011 @ 9:59 pm

If you saying that the people in Boehner’s Ohio district should vote for anybody but Boehner because the new guy would have to start at the bottom, that would be a tough sell in Ohio. The guy running against him is a dozy and would make Christine O’Donnell look Winston Churchill. Further more getting a district to vote out a house leader like Boehner is not like getting rid of any run of the mill House rep.
Even if the appearance of advantage is false, having one’s House Rep as speaker or a powerful Senator gives those they are represented a greater voice. Now sometimes a district rep or a State’s Senator gets whacked because their constituents think they are too involved with national issues to the people they represent detriment.