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Apparently, John McCain Doesn’t Think He’s Done Enough Yet to Destroy the GOP

Posted on | January 27, 2013 | 124 Comments

During Saturday’s panel on immigration at the National Review Summit, Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies made the point that a Republican-backed “comprehensiive” bill would not only fail to win Hispanic support for the GOP, but would actually hurt the party. If any such bill becomes law, Obama and the Democrats would take credit for its passage, while the people who oppose amnesty — especially blue-collar white voters — would blame Republicans.

Of course, the living antithesis of political wisdom, John McCain, insists Republicans must pass amnesty:

MARTHA RADDATZ: So how do you convince Republicans about the path to citizenship?
SENATOR MCCAIN: Well, look, I’ll give you a little straight talk. Look at the last election. Look at the last election. We are losing dramatically the Hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons, and we’ve got to understand that. Second of all, we can’t go on forever with 11 million people living in this country in the shadows in an illegal status. We cannot forever have children who were brought here by their parents when they were small children to live in the shadows, as well. So I think the time is right.



124 Responses to “Apparently, John McCain Doesn’t Think He’s Done Enough Yet to Destroy the GOP”

  1. Patrick McGuinness
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:22 pm

    “Making criminals out of people who have no inherent inclination to be a criminal is a poor policy.”

    So if I make an accidental mistake on my tax forms and accidently fail to pay all the taxes I owe, it would be wrong for the govt to demand that money?

    Once again, your logic is circular. If someone wilfully disobeys immigration law, they already are engaged in illegal behavior. Nobody forced them to be a criminal, they chose that path. Our failure to enforce law has made a de facto open border that incentivizes this illegal behavior. it has many negative results including the breakdown of our immigration system. Your implicit assumption that somehow America isnt generous enough in having our front door open to legal immigrants is hogwash – we allow 1 million plus legal immigrants per year, more than any other nation. What we need to do is end chain migration and replace it with employment based migration, but amnesty will destroy our tattered immigration system for good.

  2. Patrick McGuinness
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:27 pm

    “plenty more just like them that have never been given the opportunity to
    legally come to the US due to arbitrary laws that make no economic


    If 30 million people wanted to come to the US next year, would you admit them all?

    and then if not, and after that one of those ‘non-admitted’ folks came to the US … what would you do?

  3. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:56 pm

    Your process sounds like an opportunity for one more government bureaucrat.

  4. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:59 pm

    Society and the free market can and does adapt to changing circumstances. If government is needed to oversee immigration perhaps I should be looking to the Democrats for solutions.

  5. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 28th, 2013 @ 10:02 pm

    “If 30 million people wanted to come to the US next year, would you admit them all?”
    Yes. Why not? Exclude those who are undesirable on the face of it and let people in who want to come to the US to make it a better place.

  6. trangbang68
    January 29th, 2013 @ 12:10 am

    What McCain’s fat ass daughter was busy so he had to fill in with his own mindless drivel

  7. trangbang68
    January 29th, 2013 @ 12:16 am

    Thane, I live in Tucson, sure there are lots of good folks but 99% . C’mon dude. Not to mention most are unskilled or semi-skilled, they strain the social services when we’re already bankrupt. I don’t how you can live in the southwest and not understand this.

  8. trangbang68
    January 29th, 2013 @ 12:18 am

    Do your own gardening. There ain’t nothing but dirt in Arizona anyways.

  9. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 29th, 2013 @ 12:27 am

    The solution to excessive government social services is to stop offering them.

  10. Conniption Fitz
    January 29th, 2013 @ 5:38 am

    McCain is one of the political elite that run and ruin America. They believe in America of the politician, by the politician and for the politician.

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  12. Bob Belvedere
    January 29th, 2013 @ 8:25 am

    No, I don’t believe he is, Rob. Rather, he’s an Ideologue who, by being committed to a system of ideas developed away from Reality, is, for a number of reasons I’ve elaborated elsewhere and space does not permit restating now, compelled to carry said ideas to their logical conclusion [no matter how absurd/unrealistic].

    If you read every comment he’s made there’s a consistency in his thought.

    [For the record in case it is not known: I am anti-Ideology, but TE is consistent – I think you’ve got to give him that.]

  13. ThePaganTemple
    January 29th, 2013 @ 1:29 pm

    Employers should be able to hire anybody they want. Instead of demanding they enforce laws the government will not.why not set up a system where illegal immigrants can register through their employers as a condition of their employment? As for preventing mass illegal immigration in the future that will require intense and enhanced border security. But even that is a mere short term solution. The only thing that will work long term would have to be significant reforms of the Mexican economy.

  14. deToqueville
    January 29th, 2013 @ 9:10 pm

    Your assertions fail because you are missing the most important element. They have entered our country illegally. They have already broken the law. They avail themselves of our social services at great expense to the American people. They are catered to because of their race and receive benefits Americans do not, and are not paying the bill for those services, and they do not assimilate, but rather – and in case you missed it – carry their flags through our streets screaming out for “Reconquista”! The sheer numbers preclude them from adapting to the American culture, but are rather overwhelming it. The American people are supporting the corrupt Mexican government elite who are in bed with our now corrupt government elite. How many of those illegals voted illegally in the last election? I don’t appreciate foreigners determining our government policy. Being an American should not be reduced to a transaction in some store!
    You have no value of American citizenship.

  15. deToqueville
    January 29th, 2013 @ 9:12 pm

    You already are. Who are you kidding.

  16. Wombat_socho
    January 29th, 2013 @ 11:04 pm

    No, it’s not. But there’s every reason to make sure it is, because the current system isn’t working. Your opinion that it doesn’t affect you personally says volumes about your lack of concern for your fellow Americans, who apparently deserve less consideration than some random individual illegal immigrant.

  17. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 30th, 2013 @ 12:18 am

    I prefer a system where 98%+ of people who want to travel to the US from Mexico are able to do so. I prefer a system where all the current and future law enforcement staff are used to identify, refuse entry to, catch and deport those folks that 99% of Americas agree are undesirable on their face (convicted criminals, fugitives and the infectious ill). I have plenty of concern for myself as well as fellow Americans which is why I think that pursuing the status quo “Secure the Border first” (which really means keep the current unsecure immigration system) is a bad idea. Spending even more money to prop up the current unsecure immigration system is an even worse system. I want a free market when it comes to immigration.

  18. Eric Ashley
    January 30th, 2013 @ 12:39 am

    Know nothings were Dems weren’t they?

    And Thane sounds like a Libertarian.

  19. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 30th, 2013 @ 12:49 am

    Your hearing is working properly.

  20. Eric Ashley
    January 30th, 2013 @ 12:49 am

    As I said, TE is a libertarian. He no doubt prefers an end to any form of immigration control.

    Bob Belvedre is right. This is an Ideology unconnected to Reality.
    Its also the result of a

  21. Eric Ashley
    January 30th, 2013 @ 12:50 am

    ….Single Value Ethical System.

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  23. Francis Leitman
    January 31st, 2013 @ 12:49 am

    Time to deport McCain.

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