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Is Roy Moore Wrong? And If So, Why?

Posted on | July 14, 2015 | 131 Comments

The Left is having a tantrum over remarks that Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore made at a Baptist church Sunday:

Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore told a church crowd on Sunday that the U.S. Supreme Court “destroyed the institution of God” by legalizing same-sex marriage.
Moore, who made national news when he ordered the state’s probate judges to withhold same-sex marriage license in violation of a federal judge’s decision, addressed a congregation of about 150 people at Magnolia Springs Baptist Church in Theodore.
“How do they come out now and say that marriage, which is ordained by God, doesn’t mean what it’s always meant, between a man and woman?” Moore said. “Not between two men, two women, or three women and one man.
“See, they don’t have a definition. They’ve just destroyed the institution of God. Despite what they think, it’s not their doing. Satan drives us. He’s out there destroying everything God created including us as human beings.” . . .
“The issue is not about same-sex marriage. It’s about a sexual revolution. It’s about having people decide whether they are male or female. You’re talking about overturning God’s natural order …. When you start teaching kids that they have the right to choose whether they are male or female. . . .
“What we’ve been taught is somehow Christianity is bad for our country. And that government can’t have anything to do with Christianity . . .”

You can read the whole thing. You will notice that when the Left mocks Justice Moore or other conservative Christians for saying such things, they almost never bother to say what exactly is wrong with believing the Bible. Nor does the Left find it necessary to prove what is wrong or harmful in understanding that our nation’s laws were founded in Christian moral belief. The Left believes in Equality with a capital “e” and Progress with a capital “p.” To the Left, it is sufficient condemnation of tradition to say that tradition belongs to the past; the past is always bad, because Progress has rendered it obsolete, the leftist must believe. And the Left furthermore holds to a dogmatic belief that Progress requires a forced march toward Equality, so that overturning tradition — or, as Justice Moore would say, destroying “the institution of God” — is always good, because this will help inaugurate the egalitarian Utopia.

The problem is that, for all the “success” of the devotees of Equality and Progress, it does not seem to me — nor to most other Americans — that our nation is actually being improved by the destruction of our Christian tradition. We keep being marched toward Utopia, but we have not yet arrived there, and many Americans are becoming suspicious that we are actually heading toward a destination that proverbially awaits those who travel a road paved with good intentions. By more than a 2-to-1 margin, Americans say we are headed in the wrong direction, and isn’t it possible that Justice Moore may be correct in his understanding of how we got ourselves onto this Highway to Hell?

“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools . . .”

Declaring war against God, the Left also wages a War Against Human Nature, and Justice Moore’s comments about “teaching kids that they have the right to choose whether they are male or female” echoes points I make in Sex Trouble:

University faculty devoted to the study of “Gender Theory” reject the categories of masculinity and femininity. What most people understand as the natural traits and normal roles of the sexes are, according to the proponents of Gender Theory, an elaborate deception into which we have been brainwashed by the anti-female, anti-gay social system called heteronormative patriarchy. (page 15)

What has happened in the past four decades is that feminism has waged a war on human nature, and has striven (with remarkable success) to replace our normal understanding of Right and Wrong with a new system of values: Women, good; men, evil. (page 17)

Whenever we hear feminists condemn “patriarchy,” we understand that what they have in mind is not some kind of humanitarian democratic reform project. . . . Four decades have not changed the ideology of feminism as Andrea Dworkin described it in 1974: The family must be destroyed, along with normal sex roles — no more masculine men, no more feminine women. Feminism is “a plane­tary movement to restructure community forms and human consciousness,” as Dworkin said. (page 73)

When we understand this project as essentially destructive, we are entitled to ask what the radicals propose to build upon the bloody wreckage of our society and culture once they finish destroying it. Perhaps they will build a Temple of Ba’al.



131 Responses to “Is Roy Moore Wrong? And If So, Why?”

  1. RS
    July 14th, 2015 @ 9:58 pm

    I don’t disagree with you, but the fact is, the opponents of traditional marriage and family refuse to argue in good faith. They are then aided and abetted by the various worthies who allow them to dodge very simple questions.

  2. Zohydro
    July 14th, 2015 @ 11:24 pm

    It wasn’t my intent to insult Christians or to impugn Christianity, and I sincerely regret having done just that!

  3. NeoWayland
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:12 pm

    Only if you think government must be predicated on or derived from religion.

    Which, thankfully, the Founders did not.

  4. NeoWayland
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:13 pm

    No thank you.

    I prefer my neighbors without walls.

  5. NeoWayland
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:18 pm

    Yep, that happens too.

    But when someone defines intolerance everyone else as not putting that someone’s religion over every thing else, well, the someone crossed the line and they are fair game.

  6. NeoWayland
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:20 pm

    Pardon, but that is an opinion.

    My gods prefer that people work it out for themselves.

    That’s an opinion too.

  7. NeoWayland
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:25 pm

    And I’ve answered it several times, twice directly.

    When you assume that government is based on a religion you are imposing and enshrining that religion.

    When it comes to religion becoming the law of the land, the devout don’t need it, the non-believers don’t want it, and the politicos will corrupt it.

  8. NeoWayland
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:28 pm

    I’m not demanding that you give up your faith.

    I’m asking why religion should be enshrined in law.

    Faith is between you and the Divine, no other person can change that. It’s up to you and your choices.

    I’m asking for no sacrifice unless you believe that your religion should govern the faith and religion of others.

    And if that’s the case, I’m asking why.

  9. NeoWayland
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:32 pm

    I am, and it relates to the question in the title of the post.

    If anyone thinks their religion needs the force of law to back it up, then they are doing it wrong.

    The law should neither help nor hinder religion. But no religion should rely on force either.

  10. NeoWayland
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:40 pm

    Pardon, but I think that’s wrong.

    It’s not that the American people hate the Divine. And I don’t think they may object because it is a Christian policy.

    I think they object because it is a religious rule made policy.

  11. Matt_SE
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:52 pm

    You must keep up on the latest kool kid trends, just like a 14 year old girl.

  12. Queef McGee
    July 15th, 2015 @ 12:54 pm

    I mean, I would rather be a 14 year old girl than a guy who posts nearly 48 times a day for 1091 days straight….

    Or a guy who owns a book for 20 years, doesn’t read it, and tells people the facts all come from said book

  13. Jason Lee
    July 15th, 2015 @ 6:45 pm

    You’ve given some responses, but you haven’t given an answer.

    No one is talking about making religion “the law of the land.” You’re throwing out too many red herrings.

  14. keyesforpres
    July 15th, 2015 @ 6:57 pm

    We were founded on Biblical principles. Our rights come from God….NOT from the gov’t. As one of our Founders said, “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people….it will work for no other.”

  15. Jason Lee
    July 15th, 2015 @ 6:58 pm

    This nonsense about “putting someone’s religion over everything else” has no basis in reality. You seem to think that people who are openly Christian should not be allowed to serve in public office. That sounds like ignorant bigotry to me.

  16. keyesforpres
    July 15th, 2015 @ 6:58 pm

    It is a history site. Don’t be afraid.

  17. Jason Lee
    July 15th, 2015 @ 7:03 pm

    Yours is a hackneyed straw man argument.

  18. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 2:51 pm

    No, that isn’t what I said.

    Look at what Moore said in the article. He’s talking about defending Christianity in the law. And creating more law that incorporates “Christian principles.”

    “Do not murder.” That’s a good idea. It also predates Christianity by quite a bit and is shared by many cultures and faiths.

    “Do not murder because of the Ten Commandments and what Jesus said.” That’s not the same thing and it adds baggage to something that should be simple.

  19. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 2:53 pm

    Then why is Roy Moore making so much noise?

  20. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 2:58 pm

    No, actually we weren’t.

    The U.S. Constitution doesn’t mention the Christian God except in the date.

    It’s wholly remarkable in that it may well be the first document in history that didn’t claim government power derived from the Divine.

    Men of faith and men of reason deliberately chose not to make a public declaration of religion even as they acknowledged it’s role in individual action.

    They knew that faith must be chosen, not compelled.

  21. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 3:01 pm

    If it’s a straw man, then why did Roy Moore say what he did?

    There’s a different between personal faith and public policy.

  22. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 5:49 pm

    I prefer my headlines and history moderately unfiltered.

  23. keyesforpres
    July 16th, 2015 @ 5:50 pm

    You are wrong. The Constitution was based on the Bible….3 separate branches of gov’t, natural born, etc.

  24. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 5:56 pm

    Talk about timing…

    I always find it amazing when I have to point out the U.S. was not founded as a “Christian nation” when one house of the national legislature is called the Senate.

    I’ve written about this many times before. But please don’t take my word for it.

    That’s a site created to explore and explain the Constitution. Look for yourself. Try to find any mention of the Bible or the Divine.

  25. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 6:00 pm

    The question you should be asking yourself is not if the Founders were religious or if the U.S. was founded as a “Christian nation.”

    No, the question is why the Founders, among the best educated men of their time, chose not to make the Constitution dependent on any faith.

    I’ll give you a hint. Too many people are in religion for the politics.

  26. keyesforpres
    July 16th, 2015 @ 6:27 pm

    Dumb dumb…just because it does not say those words…..does not mean it is not based on Biblical principles. I have read what our Founders wrote….I suggest you do the same.

  27. keyesforpres
    July 16th, 2015 @ 6:28 pm

    It is unfiltered.

  28. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 6:49 pm

    Pardon, but by their own “about us” it is not.

  29. NeoWayland
    July 16th, 2015 @ 6:56 pm

    Considering the custom of the times, omitting “those words” was even more revolutionary than the Declaration of Independence and the battles that followed.

    Again, that doesn’t mean that the Founders weren’t devout. It does mean that they knew about the English Civil War and the problems caused by some colonies and their religious restrictions.

    I’d like to think that each of the Founders decided that if his church wasn’t going to be “top dog,” no one else’s would be either.

    And that is why Roy Moore is wrong.

  30. keyesforpres
    July 16th, 2015 @ 10:43 pm

    You are wrong. Period.

  31. NeoWayland
    July 18th, 2015 @ 2:37 pm

    Can you show where I’m wrong?