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Poll Question: Gays in the Military

Posted on | February 11, 2010 | 91 Comments

“A new CBS News/ New York Times poll finds that the wording of the question is key when it comes to determining whether Americans support allowing gays to serve in the military.”
— Kevin Hechtkopf, CBS News

Q. How would you feel if you turned on the TV and saw a Navy admiral flouncing down Castro Street in full uniform in the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade, right next to Dykes On Bikes and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence?

I doubt CBS and the New York Times would phrase the question that way, but that’s what the proposal to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” boils down to. Of course, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” is problematic in its own right: If a soldier is deployed to a combat zone and wants to go home, all he has to do is say, “I’m gay!”

All of this, you understand, is a result of Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign promise to gay-rights radicals, even though sodomy is still defined as a court-martial offense under Article 125 in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Colin Powell and Sen. Sam Nunn forced Clinton to accept the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” compromise, but to the radicals, all compromises are merely temporary ceasefires, a prelude to further aggression.

The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.

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91 Responses to “Poll Question: Gays in the Military”

  1. Bob Belvedere
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:10 am

    The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.

    That will make Troy ‘Ramrod Room’ King happy.

  2. Bob Belvedere
    February 11th, 2010 @ 7:10 pm

    The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.

    That will make Troy ‘Ramrod Room’ King happy.

  3. paul mitchell
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:25 am

    I am going to use the method of the military and asking every, single one of my potential employees if they are gay or straight and assigning tasks accordingly.

    You know, when it is okay to do that.

  4. paul mitchell
    February 11th, 2010 @ 7:25 pm

    I am going to use the method of the military and asking every, single one of my potential employees if they are gay or straight and assigning tasks accordingly.

    You know, when it is okay to do that.

  5. paul mitchell
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:27 am

    Please read the above comment and insert the word “START” before “asking.”

    Mmmkay, thanks.

  6. paul mitchell
    February 11th, 2010 @ 7:27 pm

    Please read the above comment and insert the word “START” before “asking.”

    Mmmkay, thanks.

  7. Bob Belvedere
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:40 am

    Its ‘mmmkay’ with me PM….by the way: love your hair products.

  8. Bob Belvedere
    February 11th, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

    Its ‘mmmkay’ with me PM….by the way: love your hair products.

  9. Synova
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:53 am

    Firstly… when DADT is repealed the military will START asking every single one of its potential employees if they are gay or straight and assigning tasks and posts accordingly.

    After all… they do that now for women.

    I don’t think that those pushing for the repeal of DADT have really thought this through and I don’t think that gays are going to like the changes.

  10. Synova
    February 11th, 2010 @ 7:53 pm

    Firstly… when DADT is repealed the military will START asking every single one of its potential employees if they are gay or straight and assigning tasks and posts accordingly.

    After all… they do that now for women.

    I don’t think that those pushing for the repeal of DADT have really thought this through and I don’t think that gays are going to like the changes.

  11. Amy P.
    February 12th, 2010 @ 1:01 am

    The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.

    Don’t joke. I can easily foresee a future where engaging in homosexual activity is the only way to *prove* you’re not a bigot.

  12. Amy P.
    February 11th, 2010 @ 8:01 pm

    The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.

    Don’t joke. I can easily foresee a future where engaging in homosexual activity is the only way to *prove* you’re not a bigot.

  13. Matt
    February 12th, 2010 @ 1:05 am

    If a soldier is deployed to a combat zone and wants to go home, all he has to do is say, “I’m gay!”

    Actually I’m told by my military friends that true or not, such a declaration is most likely to be met by “That’s nice, now get back to work.” from the sergeant.

  14. Matt
    February 11th, 2010 @ 8:05 pm

    If a soldier is deployed to a combat zone and wants to go home, all he has to do is say, “I’m gay!”

    Actually I’m told by my military friends that true or not, such a declaration is most likely to be met by “That’s nice, now get back to work.” from the sergeant.

  15. Bob Belvedere
    February 12th, 2010 @ 1:28 am

    The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.

    That will make Ron ‘Bumpkis’ Reagan, Jr. happy.

  16. Bob Belvedere
    February 11th, 2010 @ 8:28 pm

    The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.

    That will make Ron ‘Bumpkis’ Reagan, Jr. happy.

  17. PMain
    February 12th, 2010 @ 2:45 am

    CBS/NYT, the branches of military already have regulations regarding when & how they wear the uniform off-bases & in civilian areas, especially while marching in a political rallies.

    My response would have been that that particular soldier, sailor or Marine should be punished for disrespecting the uniform

  18. PMain
    February 11th, 2010 @ 9:45 pm

    CBS/NYT, the branches of military already have regulations regarding when & how they wear the uniform off-bases & in civilian areas, especially while marching in a political rallies.

    My response would have been that that particular soldier, sailor or Marine should be punished for disrespecting the uniform

  19. young4eyes
    February 12th, 2010 @ 2:49 am

    Man, nothing gives Conservatives a boner like denying others equal treatment, even the men and women of the armed forces. You know, those freaks that defend our country…
    What I love most about this issue is that it is the dinosaur wing of Conservatives that want to fight DADT tooth and nail.Luckily, a new generation of open-minded Conservatives will make the troglodytes obsolete.

    “The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.”
    Yeah Stacy. That’s like saying that the civil-rights crowd in the 60’s wouldn’t be satisfied until being African -American was compulsory. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if that idea was floated around by the John Birch society during that time. Reminds me of the excuse Reagan gave for not making MLK day a national holiday–something to the effect that if he did that “it would not stop there”.
    Oh Conservatism, such a rich heritage of bigotry hidden behind a thin veil of faux concern for America’s social fabric…

  20. young4eyes
    February 11th, 2010 @ 9:49 pm

    Man, nothing gives Conservatives a boner like denying others equal treatment, even the men and women of the armed forces. You know, those freaks that defend our country…
    What I love most about this issue is that it is the dinosaur wing of Conservatives that want to fight DADT tooth and nail.Luckily, a new generation of open-minded Conservatives will make the troglodytes obsolete.

    “The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.”
    Yeah Stacy. That’s like saying that the civil-rights crowd in the 60’s wouldn’t be satisfied until being African -American was compulsory. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if that idea was floated around by the John Birch society during that time. Reminds me of the excuse Reagan gave for not making MLK day a national holiday–something to the effect that if he did that “it would not stop there”.
    Oh Conservatism, such a rich heritage of bigotry hidden behind a thin veil of faux concern for America’s social fabric…

  21. Guitanguran
    February 12th, 2010 @ 3:05 am

    y4e

    Perhaps you could help me here.

    Is the military’s job merely to kill our enemies or provide a feel good self- actualization environment for everybody?

    Before you start tearing down one policy, might you make sure the policy you envision won’t impact the military’s readyness, effectiveness, and morale?

    Being as we have openly male and openly female soldiers segregated in situations where their co-ed nakedness may impact military readyness, effectiveness, and morale, what of the openly gay male, or female, or bisexual, or transgendered?

    What to do?

  22. Guitanguran
    February 11th, 2010 @ 10:05 pm

    y4e

    Perhaps you could help me here.

    Is the military’s job merely to kill our enemies or provide a feel good self- actualization environment for everybody?

    Before you start tearing down one policy, might you make sure the policy you envision won’t impact the military’s readyness, effectiveness, and morale?

    Being as we have openly male and openly female soldiers segregated in situations where their co-ed nakedness may impact military readyness, effectiveness, and morale, what of the openly gay male, or female, or bisexual, or transgendered?

    What to do?

  23. chad
    February 12th, 2010 @ 3:15 am

    I was in the service at that time and as I recall Colin Powell was against ending the ban and was a late supporter of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. My recollection is that the compromise was forced after Clinton issued an order that essentially implemented the policy and then congress enacted it into law.

    Beyond that you know who supported ending the ban on gays in the military? Barry Goldwater.

  24. chad
    February 11th, 2010 @ 10:15 pm

    I was in the service at that time and as I recall Colin Powell was against ending the ban and was a late supporter of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. My recollection is that the compromise was forced after Clinton issued an order that essentially implemented the policy and then congress enacted it into law.

    Beyond that you know who supported ending the ban on gays in the military? Barry Goldwater.

  25. chad
    February 12th, 2010 @ 3:23 am

    One other thing – I ran three STD clinics while I was in the Navy. I happen to know that in 1987 one of the Commanding Officers of a destroyer was gay or at the least bisexual. I recieved his STD contact report from the state of California and had to treat a Marine at MCAS El Toro. Over the years I know I treated at least 100 gay service members for STDs (as well as many thousands more that were straight). Their sexual orientation had no impact on their ability to do their jobs. The problem all comes from the other side. People who feel threatened by gays.

  26. chad
    February 11th, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

    One other thing – I ran three STD clinics while I was in the Navy. I happen to know that in 1987 one of the Commanding Officers of a destroyer was gay or at the least bisexual. I recieved his STD contact report from the state of California and had to treat a Marine at MCAS El Toro. Over the years I know I treated at least 100 gay service members for STDs (as well as many thousands more that were straight). Their sexual orientation had no impact on their ability to do their jobs. The problem all comes from the other side. People who feel threatened by gays.

  27. Huey
    February 12th, 2010 @ 3:37 am

    There’s no objection to women being forced to shower behind mirrors, knowing that, at any time, some heterosexual male could be sitting behind one of those mirrors drinking her in, right?

    That’s why it’s non-objectionable to force men and women to be in intimate circumstances with other men and women who view them as objects of sexual desire.

    Who could possibly have any objection to that?

    (And, of course, this completely ignores the work-place problems created by romances, failed romances, attempted romances which are an inevitable result of close proximity. There’s a REASON why males and females are kept separate in sleeping quarters at sea (and elsewhere). Our common experience tells us that it’s just a “good idea.”)

  28. Huey
    February 11th, 2010 @ 10:37 pm

    There’s no objection to women being forced to shower behind mirrors, knowing that, at any time, some heterosexual male could be sitting behind one of those mirrors drinking her in, right?

    That’s why it’s non-objectionable to force men and women to be in intimate circumstances with other men and women who view them as objects of sexual desire.

    Who could possibly have any objection to that?

    (And, of course, this completely ignores the work-place problems created by romances, failed romances, attempted romances which are an inevitable result of close proximity. There’s a REASON why males and females are kept separate in sleeping quarters at sea (and elsewhere). Our common experience tells us that it’s just a “good idea.”)

  29. Thomas L. Knapp
    February 12th, 2010 @ 4:15 am

    The primary mission of the armed forces of the US is “to deter and,if necessary, to fight and win conflicts in which our vital interests are threatened,” not “to coddle conservative social preferences at the expense of national security.”

  30. Thomas L. Knapp
    February 11th, 2010 @ 11:15 pm

    The primary mission of the armed forces of the US is “to deter and,if necessary, to fight and win conflicts in which our vital interests are threatened,” not “to coddle conservative social preferences at the expense of national security.”

  31. Huey
    February 12th, 2010 @ 4:28 am

    “The primary mission of the armed forces of the US is “to deter and,if necessary, to fight and win conflicts in which our vital interests are threatened,” not “to coddle liberal social preferences at the expense of national security.”

    There. All fixed now.

  32. Huey
    February 11th, 2010 @ 11:28 pm

    “The primary mission of the armed forces of the US is “to deter and,if necessary, to fight and win conflicts in which our vital interests are threatened,” not “to coddle liberal social preferences at the expense of national security.”

    There. All fixed now.

  33. young4eyes
    February 12th, 2010 @ 5:13 am

    “Is the military’s job merely to kill our enemies or provide a feel good self- actualization environment for everybody?”

    If you can reduce equal rights to mere “feel good self- actualization” then Conservatives are more disturbed than I thought. Obviously, your prejudices trump reason. Seeing as it is the military’s job to kill our enemies then why treat some of the servicemen whose job it is to do that killing as second-class citizens subject to Conservatives antiquated attitudes?
    Here’s a secret: there are currently gay men and women serving in our military. Are you proposing that allowing our servicemen and women to be who they are without fear of recrimination will hurt morale?
    Conservatism never misses a chance to suppress someone else when it makes them feel good. Huey goes so far to suggest that repealing DADT threatens our national security. Desperate a bit?
    Our country is better than that…

  34. young4eyes
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:13 am

    “Is the military’s job merely to kill our enemies or provide a feel good self- actualization environment for everybody?”

    If you can reduce equal rights to mere “feel good self- actualization” then Conservatives are more disturbed than I thought. Obviously, your prejudices trump reason. Seeing as it is the military’s job to kill our enemies then why treat some of the servicemen whose job it is to do that killing as second-class citizens subject to Conservatives antiquated attitudes?
    Here’s a secret: there are currently gay men and women serving in our military. Are you proposing that allowing our servicemen and women to be who they are without fear of recrimination will hurt morale?
    Conservatism never misses a chance to suppress someone else when it makes them feel good. Huey goes so far to suggest that repealing DADT threatens our national security. Desperate a bit?
    Our country is better than that…

  35. chad
    February 12th, 2010 @ 5:58 am

    That’s a BS argument. Every other NATO military has integrated gays with minimal issues. Israel has always had gays in their military with no problems. There is absolutely no reason that gays can’t be integrated into the American military. What it sounds like to me is that you are afraid that if you were propositioned you wouldn’t be able to say no.

  36. chad
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:58 am

    That’s a BS argument. Every other NATO military has integrated gays with minimal issues. Israel has always had gays in their military with no problems. There is absolutely no reason that gays can’t be integrated into the American military. What it sounds like to me is that you are afraid that if you were propositioned you wouldn’t be able to say no.

  37. Tom
    February 12th, 2010 @ 6:10 am

    Yeah, that’s right, that’s what they want! THEY WANT IT TO BE ILLEGAL TO NOT HAVE BUTT SEX! THEY WANT TO OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY AND FORCE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE SEX! RAWWRRR THE SKY IS FALLING OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD

    Grow up. The overwhelming majority of Americans believe gays have the right to serve in the military. It’s not surprising you don’t, Stacy.

    You never served. But like most conservatives who never served, you still arrogantly believe you’ve done more good for this country than gays who wore the uniform.

  38. Tom
    February 12th, 2010 @ 1:10 am

    Yeah, that’s right, that’s what they want! THEY WANT IT TO BE ILLEGAL TO NOT HAVE BUTT SEX! THEY WANT TO OUTLAW CHRISTIANITY AND FORCE OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE SEX! RAWWRRR THE SKY IS FALLING OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD

    Grow up. The overwhelming majority of Americans believe gays have the right to serve in the military. It’s not surprising you don’t, Stacy.

    You never served. But like most conservatives who never served, you still arrogantly believe you’ve done more good for this country than gays who wore the uniform.

  39. Synova
    February 12th, 2010 @ 6:14 am

    Other NATO militaries don’t really have integrated situations, do they? Not any more integrated than men and women.

    All of you on either side of this can fuss at each other, but what will HAPPEN without DADT is that any gay or lesbian entering the military will be required to declare orientation and will then be restricted to assignments where accommodation can be made. Think stateside or big overseas bases with the facilities to ensure privacy issues. The girls will be humping M-16’s at a FOB in Afghanistan and the gays will be at Ramstein or Okinawa.

    Life will go on.

    And Ivy League schools will find a new reason to ban ROTC.

  40. Synova
    February 12th, 2010 @ 1:14 am

    Other NATO militaries don’t really have integrated situations, do they? Not any more integrated than men and women.

    All of you on either side of this can fuss at each other, but what will HAPPEN without DADT is that any gay or lesbian entering the military will be required to declare orientation and will then be restricted to assignments where accommodation can be made. Think stateside or big overseas bases with the facilities to ensure privacy issues. The girls will be humping M-16’s at a FOB in Afghanistan and the gays will be at Ramstein or Okinawa.

    Life will go on.

    And Ivy League schools will find a new reason to ban ROTC.

  41. nobody
    February 12th, 2010 @ 7:26 am

    We all know that there are Liberals in the military right now, although we are not allowed to ask them if they are Liberal, so long as they don’t reveal it, they are able to serve right alongside the rest of us. Even if there weren’t a rule, many if not most would hide their Liberal orientation out of shame, or fear of ostracism and ridicule by those who find them disgusting or just outright weird, but I for one feel that if they are allowed to serve openly and proudly, military readiness would be impaired because many of their fellow soldiers, knowing their true nature, would never really trust them. What’s that you say? DADT is about GAYS in the military, not LIBS? My bad. That’s silly, I don’t get it, why wouldn’t Gays be allowed to serve? I mean, as long as they’re not Liberals, of course.

  42. nobody
    February 12th, 2010 @ 2:26 am

    We all know that there are Liberals in the military right now, although we are not allowed to ask them if they are Liberal, so long as they don’t reveal it, they are able to serve right alongside the rest of us. Even if there weren’t a rule, many if not most would hide their Liberal orientation out of shame, or fear of ostracism and ridicule by those who find them disgusting or just outright weird, but I for one feel that if they are allowed to serve openly and proudly, military readiness would be impaired because many of their fellow soldiers, knowing their true nature, would never really trust them. What’s that you say? DADT is about GAYS in the military, not LIBS? My bad. That’s silly, I don’t get it, why wouldn’t Gays be allowed to serve? I mean, as long as they’re not Liberals, of course.

  43. Joshua
    February 12th, 2010 @ 7:47 am

    Since when did anal sex become equated with equal rights? Why not polygamy? Perversion and being lost about one’s sexual identity has nothing to do with equal rights and everything to do with a need for pscyhological evaluation.

    Being sick and twisted due to whatever child trauma or dysfunctional beliefs is no excuse to force your mental illness on others.

    Any homosexual that propositions a heterosexual especially in the military should be thrown out.

    Kevin Jennings is an example of why the dysfunctional lifestyle of homosexuals should not be normalized in our society. He openly praised and pulled for a Pedophile, openly taught and recommended pedophilia books for children. Homosexuals are a very small minority that intermingle and jump over into bisexuality and back to heterosexuality. They’re largely confused individuals.

    Can any of you defend Keving Jennings as a Safe School Czar appointed by Obama?

  44. Joshua
    February 12th, 2010 @ 2:47 am

    Since when did anal sex become equated with equal rights? Why not polygamy? Perversion and being lost about one’s sexual identity has nothing to do with equal rights and everything to do with a need for pscyhological evaluation.

    Being sick and twisted due to whatever child trauma or dysfunctional beliefs is no excuse to force your mental illness on others.

    Any homosexual that propositions a heterosexual especially in the military should be thrown out.

    Kevin Jennings is an example of why the dysfunctional lifestyle of homosexuals should not be normalized in our society. He openly praised and pulled for a Pedophile, openly taught and recommended pedophilia books for children. Homosexuals are a very small minority that intermingle and jump over into bisexuality and back to heterosexuality. They’re largely confused individuals.

    Can any of you defend Keving Jennings as a Safe School Czar appointed by Obama?

  45. Joshua
    February 12th, 2010 @ 7:58 am

    We can become like Rome and die like Rome. Equating immorality with equal rights is rubbish and only fools whine and shout hatred againt others that stand for normalcy in society. Allowing immorality to seep into every area of our lives, forcing others to accept immoral behavior as “normal” when it clearly is not physically, emotionally, or evolutionally scientific is stupid and disastorous for a nation.

    To go down this road is to damn our nation in the future. Europe is already far gone. The blindness that seeps into an immoral society allows it to be usurped and people become slaves either from within or by forces without.

    History has proven this time and again. Homosexuals can spew their hatred all they like and faux rhetoric of homophobia. The truth is that history repeats itself and if this nation, like others allows the desires of lost men to overtake their culture, then it will eventually fall. And for what? Anal Sex?

    For higher AIDS rates? For higher death rates? For higher STDs, alcohol and drug abuse? Higher suicide rates? For shorter aged lives?

    The nation that rejects G_d, eventually is rejected. None of us should take this lightly. Its not a matter of “equal rights.” That is a lie. If it is not a lie, then accept polygamy and every other physical desire known to man to be included.

  46. Joshua
    February 12th, 2010 @ 2:58 am

    We can become like Rome and die like Rome. Equating immorality with equal rights is rubbish and only fools whine and shout hatred againt others that stand for normalcy in society. Allowing immorality to seep into every area of our lives, forcing others to accept immoral behavior as “normal” when it clearly is not physically, emotionally, or evolutionally scientific is stupid and disastorous for a nation.

    To go down this road is to damn our nation in the future. Europe is already far gone. The blindness that seeps into an immoral society allows it to be usurped and people become slaves either from within or by forces without.

    History has proven this time and again. Homosexuals can spew their hatred all they like and faux rhetoric of homophobia. The truth is that history repeats itself and if this nation, like others allows the desires of lost men to overtake their culture, then it will eventually fall. And for what? Anal Sex?

    For higher AIDS rates? For higher death rates? For higher STDs, alcohol and drug abuse? Higher suicide rates? For shorter aged lives?

    The nation that rejects G_d, eventually is rejected. None of us should take this lightly. Its not a matter of “equal rights.” That is a lie. If it is not a lie, then accept polygamy and every other physical desire known to man to be included.

  47. Guest
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:28 pm

    “The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.”

    Charles Beaumont “The Crooked Man”

    The story YoungBlueSmurfEyes won’t read.

  48. Guest
    February 12th, 2010 @ 7:28 am

    “The gay-rights crowd won’t be satisfied until homosexuality is compulsory, with penalties for non-participants.”

    Charles Beaumont “The Crooked Man”

    The story YoungBlueSmurfEyes won’t read.

  49. Guest
    February 12th, 2010 @ 12:38 pm

    I Cry Discrimination!

    I was Profiled, my friend was Discriminated Against in the mid ’90s.

    My GAY male friend, my Not-Gay male friend and I, a Not-Gay female went clubbing one night in NYC. Upon arrive to the club, the Gay female doorperson immediately denied entrance to my Not-Gay male friend but allowed my Gay male friend and I, a Not-Gay female entrance.

    I’m Not-Gay and was allowed inside however my Not-Gay friend was denied entrance.

    Out of all the political identified groupings, Gaydom is the most exclusive, intolerant, discriminatory, and profiling group out there.

    The Gayists are worse than the Racists, the Sexists, the Class-Warfarist, the Environmentalists, and the Islamists combined.

  50. Guest
    February 12th, 2010 @ 7:38 am

    I Cry Discrimination!

    I was Profiled, my friend was Discriminated Against in the mid ’90s.

    My GAY male friend, my Not-Gay male friend and I, a Not-Gay female went clubbing one night in NYC. Upon arrive to the club, the Gay female doorperson immediately denied entrance to my Not-Gay male friend but allowed my Gay male friend and I, a Not-Gay female entrance.

    I’m Not-Gay and was allowed inside however my Not-Gay friend was denied entrance.

    Out of all the political identified groupings, Gaydom is the most exclusive, intolerant, discriminatory, and profiling group out there.

    The Gayists are worse than the Racists, the Sexists, the Class-Warfarist, the Environmentalists, and the Islamists combined.

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