Would Everyone Please Stop Arguing About Gays and Ryan Sorba?

Posted on | February 24, 2010 | 69 Comments

You’re depressing me. Really. Because I’m feeling the need to write a 2,500-word essay that no one will pay me to write.

It’s very easy for Bryan Fischer to stir this up by denouncing Hot Air. That’s what he gets paid to do, stir things up. But there are important arguments being overlooked because no one will pay me to clarify the matter — just like nobody ever invites me to speak at CPAC.

The fundamental problem with what Ryan Sorba did was that he started a fight by denouncing his hosts. That’s just bad manners. I was on the phone Tuesday describing Sobra’s stunt as equivalent to someone being invited to dinner and then insulting his host’s mother. The person on the other end of the phone said, no, Sorba’s stunt was more like someone being invited to dinner, climbing up on the table, dropping his pants and defecating all over the entree.

Good causes can be harmed by bad advocates. To celebrate Sorba’s puerile arrogance — his vaunting display of a mastery of the natural law argument — is to ignore his unspeakable rudeness in having insulted CPAC’s hospitality. Whether or not GOProud should have been accepted as a CPAC sponsor is a topic worth arguing. However, once CPAC accepted their sponsorship, and once Sorba accepted an invitation to speak at the conference, common courtesy required that Sorba refrain from insulting GOProud, which helped sponsor the event where Sorba spoke.

(An aside: Bryan Fischer complains that CPAC “should be relabeled ‘The Libertarian Political Action Conference.'” Yet who is to blame for the unusual preponderance of libertarians at this year’s CPAC? A source tells me that a Ron Paul-backed organization, Campaign For Liberty, paid for scores of students to attend CPAC. How many students did AFA send to CPAC? I suspect the number is zero. But AFA apparently can afford to pay Fischer to insult CPAC and Hot Air, eh?)

You can consult my own writings on this subject — “Gay Rights, Gay Rage” and “Whither Marriage?” — and see how stoutly I defend traditional marriage against radicalism. But this is not about gays, or natural law, or libertarianism vs. conservatism. It’s about this egomaniacal punk Sorba using his precious allotment of time on the CPAC stage to make a complete ass of himself and embarrass CPAC.

CPAC ended Saturday and I’ve still got tons of photos and videos I never got around to uploading. Here it is Wednesday already, and this ingrate Sorba is still distracting me from genuinely important (and perhaps remunerative) subjects of discussion.

Everybody shut up. I don’t want to write that essay. Really.

UPDATE: I notice that Doctor Zero has abandoned his anonymity, revealing himself as John Hayward of Florida and starting his own blog. Welcome to the community, sir. I’m sure you’ll be added to Smitty’s RSS feeds, and hope you’ll soon earn a spot in the FMJRA.

Category: CPAC, Gays

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69 Responses to “Would Everyone Please Stop Arguing About Gays and Ryan Sorba?”

Jamie Holts
February 24th, 2010 @ 6:04 am

I’ve been reading along for a while now. I just wanted to drop you a comment to say keep up the good work.
Jamie Holts
February 24th, 2010 @ 1:04 am

I’ve been reading along for a while now. I just wanted to drop you a comment to say keep up the good work.
Robert Stacy McCain
February 24th, 2010 @ 6:18 am

Thanks, Jamie. Recovering from Post-CPAC Traumatic Stress Syndrome takes time, but I’m getting there.
Robert Stacy McCain
February 24th, 2010 @ 1:18 am

Thanks, Jamie. Recovering from Post-CPAC Traumatic Stress Syndrome takes time, but I’m getting there.
MrPaulRevere
February 24th, 2010 @ 6:54 am

Well stated as usual Mr. McCain. The values of individualism and traditionalism should not inherently be at war with one another.
MrPaulRevere
February 24th, 2010 @ 1:54 am

Well stated as usual Mr. McCain. The values of individualism and traditionalism should not inherently be at war with one another.
Kevin J Jones
February 24th, 2010 @ 7:06 am

I’ve noticed a lot more outrage against Sorba than against the recent shutdown of Catholic Charities DC’s fostering and adoption program forced by the same-sex marriage law.

It’s hard not to think GOP and CPAC activists care more about their reputation among gays than about moral conservatives’ freedoms.
Kevin J Jones
February 24th, 2010 @ 2:06 am

I’ve noticed a lot more outrage against Sorba than against the recent shutdown of Catholic Charities DC’s fostering and adoption program forced by the same-sex marriage law.

It’s hard not to think GOP and CPAC activists care more about their reputation among gays than about moral conservatives’ freedoms.
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February 24th, 2010 @ 7:01 am

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Bryan Fischer
February 24th, 2010 @ 12:54 pm

Your masthead quotes Arthur Koestler to the effect that one should “write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up.” Sorba, in this case, spoke ruthlessly what he believes to be the truth. It might be better for you to praise him for following your advice.

If you watch the video, you’ll notice that Sorba was booed as soon as he was introduced, before he said a word. Not sure of the background there, but if you want to get into the juvenile who-started-it-thing, it wasn’t Sorba. My guess is that he got up intending to talk about one thing, got booed for his known stance on homosexuality, and responded to his rude critics in the crowd. He spoke ruthlessly what he believes to be the truth. He spoke truth to power. Good for him.

By the way, I don’t get paid to “stir things up.” I get paid to write relentlessly what I believe to be the truth.

CPAC had to know that allowing GOPROUD in as a sponsor would be controversial. Not really sporting of them to complain when their decision turns out to be, well, controversial.

And why is it that defenders of natural marriage are always the ones who get told to shut up? If advocates for special rights for homosexuals would just shut up, this controversy would go away tomorrow.

If they would take their behavior back to the bedroom instead of demanding approval for it in the streets and at conservative conferences, they’d be left alone and this conversation would be unnecessary.
Bryan Fischer
February 24th, 2010 @ 7:54 am

Your masthead quotes Arthur Koestler to the effect that one should “write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up.” Sorba, in this case, spoke ruthlessly what he believes to be the truth. It might be better for you to praise him for following your advice.

If you watch the video, you’ll notice that Sorba was booed as soon as he was introduced, before he said a word. Not sure of the background there, but if you want to get into the juvenile who-started-it-thing, it wasn’t Sorba. My guess is that he got up intending to talk about one thing, got booed for his known stance on homosexuality, and responded to his rude critics in the crowd. He spoke ruthlessly what he believes to be the truth. He spoke truth to power. Good for him.

By the way, I don’t get paid to “stir things up.” I get paid to write relentlessly what I believe to be the truth.

CPAC had to know that allowing GOPROUD in as a sponsor would be controversial. Not really sporting of them to complain when their decision turns out to be, well, controversial.

And why is it that defenders of natural marriage are always the ones who get told to shut up? If advocates for special rights for homosexuals would just shut up, this controversy would go away tomorrow.

If they would take their behavior back to the bedroom instead of demanding approval for it in the streets and at conservative conferences, they’d be left alone and this conversation would be unnecessary.
Joe
February 24th, 2010 @ 3:05 pm

I have no problem with conservatives reaching out (not reach around) to gays who are alienated from the libtards and Democrats. That is smart. Many more conservatives than are given credit for are far more live and let live about what other people do in their homes as consenting adults, although they may not appreciate having it shoved in their face on a regular basis.

So the controversy is pretty lame. Ryan Sorba seems like an asshat, which is why he got booed.
Joe
February 24th, 2010 @ 10:05 am

I have no problem with conservatives reaching out (not reach around) to gays who are alienated from the libtards and Democrats. That is smart. Many more conservatives than are given credit for are far more live and let live about what other people do in their homes as consenting adults, although they may not appreciate having it shoved in their face on a regular basis.

So the controversy is pretty lame. Ryan Sorba seems like an asshat, which is why he got booed.
molonlabe28
February 24th, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

Addressing CPAC is not speaking (truth or anything else) to power.

It doesn’t have power, at least not yet.

Fischer says that Sorba “spoke ruthlessly about what he believes to be the truth.”

But the same thing can be said about Imams preaching jihad.

I agree with Fischer that everyone’s sexuality is best left in the bedroom and I share his disdain for the demand for public approval which some gay organizations promote.

I do accept gay people, and I have had gay friends my entire life; but I don’t need to be pushed and prodded.

Some people will accept gay people and others won’t – just like some people accept hunting and other think we hunters are miscreants.

I believe that gay marriage (which I oppose), along with abortion and drug laws, should be left to the individual states.

The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong, but it also says that masturbation is wrong.

Why don’t Christian preachers and conservative pundits rail against masturbation?

I disagree with the Sorba’s notion that sex is primarily to facilitate procreation. Can he really say that all of his years of practice have been to achieve parenthood?

I have been married for many years and I have been assiduously trying to avoid that result (i.e. pregnancy) the entire time.

And I will reserve judgment about Hot Air, which has been my go-to source for political anaysis for the last several years.

Let’s give it a little time before we condemn it.
molonlabe28
February 24th, 2010 @ 12:01 pm

Addressing CPAC is not speaking (truth or anything else) to power.

It doesn’t have power, at least not yet.

Fischer says that Sorba “spoke ruthlessly about what he believes to be the truth.”

But the same thing can be said about Imams preaching jihad.

I agree with Fischer that everyone’s sexuality is best left in the bedroom and I share his disdain for the demand for public approval which some gay organizations promote.

I do accept gay people, and I have had gay friends my entire life; but I don’t need to be pushed and prodded.

Some people will accept gay people and others won’t – just like some people accept hunting and other think we hunters are miscreants.

I believe that gay marriage (which I oppose), along with abortion and drug laws, should be left to the individual states.

The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong, but it also says that masturbation is wrong.

Why don’t Christian preachers and conservative pundits rail against masturbation?

I disagree with the Sorba’s notion that sex is primarily to facilitate procreation. Can he really say that all of his years of practice have been to achieve parenthood?

I have been married for many years and I have been assiduously trying to avoid that result (i.e. pregnancy) the entire time.

And I will reserve judgment about Hot Air, which has been my go-to source for political anaysis for the last several years.

Let’s give it a little time before we condemn it.
Robert Stacy McCain
February 24th, 2010 @ 6:52 pm

Mr. Fischer: To everything there is a season. There may be a time for picking a public quarrel between traditionalists and libertarians, but I don’t think the time and place is on the CPAC mainstage, barely eight months before one of the most important mid-term elections of our lifetimes.

To divide our coalition now is to lend aid and comfort to the Obama agenda. Sorba could (and should) say anything he wants about CPAC in his own space and on his own time.

Allow me to suggest that Sorba needs to consult Matthew 10:16: “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”
Robert Stacy McCain
February 24th, 2010 @ 1:52 pm

Mr. Fischer: To everything there is a season. There may be a time for picking a public quarrel between traditionalists and libertarians, but I don’t think the time and place is on the CPAC mainstage, barely eight months before one of the most important mid-term elections of our lifetimes.

To divide our coalition now is to lend aid and comfort to the Obama agenda. Sorba could (and should) say anything he wants about CPAC in his own space and on his own time.

Allow me to suggest that Sorba needs to consult Matthew 10:16: “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”
John Doe
February 24th, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

I agree with everything Stacy says in the article and the last comment (he said, while denying he was brown nosing). BUT, who started the fight? CPAC did by inviting GOProud. Gays are what, 2% of the population?!! And so cons are the conservative base. Yeah, I’ll piss off the base just to pander to 2%. Makes wonderful sense to me. So, yeah, let’s criticize CPAC’s decision to invite them. Is this the right forum?
John Doe
February 24th, 2010 @ 4:24 pm

I agree with everything Stacy says in the article and the last comment (he said, while denying he was brown nosing). BUT, who started the fight? CPAC did by inviting GOProud. Gays are what, 2% of the population?!! And so cons are the conservative base. Yeah, I’ll piss off the base just to pander to 2%. Makes wonderful sense to me. So, yeah, let’s criticize CPAC’s decision to invite them. Is this the right forum?
Dennis Foley
February 24th, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

You know, letting the queers in is no way to gain support for the conservative cause. I’ll bet there are many many more Christians than gays and why does CPAC feel the need to be so
inclusive. Let them take their morals and lifestyles and go be democrats. You would have to be stupid not to realize that they want to weaken us by introducing their satanically in
spired lifestyles. Republicans believe in Almighty GOD, the CREATOR,the one who gives us our freedom and life itself.My God doesn’t accept homosexuality, He didn’t way back when and He still feels the same today. As He said ” I am God and there is no other the same yesterday today and forever” Don’t corrupt that which is good with that which is of the evil one. I guarantee you that the Tea Party movement will take off more and more as we see yokels like CPAC giving up on principles in search of votes. As of right now you don’t represent me ,….good day sir
Dennis Foley
February 24th, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

You know, letting the queers in is no way to gain support for the conservative cause. I’ll bet there are many many more Christians than gays and why does CPAC feel the need to be so
inclusive. Let them take their morals and lifestyles and go be democrats. You would have to be stupid not to realize that they want to weaken us by introducing their satanically in
spired lifestyles. Republicans believe in Almighty GOD, the CREATOR,the one who gives us our freedom and life itself.My God doesn’t accept homosexuality, He didn’t way back when and He still feels the same today. As He said ” I am God and there is no other the same yesterday today and forever” Don’t corrupt that which is good with that which is of the evil one. I guarantee you that the Tea Party movement will take off more and more as we see yokels like CPAC giving up on principles in search of votes. As of right now you don’t represent me ,….good day sir
Live Free Or Die
February 24th, 2010 @ 9:58 pm

To paraphrase famous quote from wherever: Silence in the face of behavior that God calls detestable is tantamount to approval of what God calls detestable.
To love an enemy, in the case of any sinner, is to point out the sin, so they may repent.
Gay sex/marriage misses the mark set by God. Missing the mark is the definition of sin. For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Telling sinners where they can find forgiveness is the essence of the Gospel.But it is up to them to come to God for forgiveness. Ryan Sorba, as a watchman, has warned the ‘sinners’
and they turned not from their sin, but he has saved his own soul.Or, as Paul said, “Your blood be upon your own heads, I am clean.”
Live Free Or Die
February 24th, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

To paraphrase famous quote from wherever: Silence in the face of behavior that God calls detestable is tantamount to approval of what God calls detestable.
To love an enemy, in the case of any sinner, is to point out the sin, so they may repent.
Gay sex/marriage misses the mark set by God. Missing the mark is the definition of sin. For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Telling sinners where they can find forgiveness is the essence of the Gospel.But it is up to them to come to God for forgiveness. Ryan Sorba, as a watchman, has warned the ‘sinners’
and they turned not from their sin, but he has saved his own soul.Or, as Paul said, “Your blood be upon your own heads, I am clean.”
Leo
February 24th, 2010 @ 10:02 pm

Homophobia has no place in conservatism, Christianity, or America.
Leo
February 24th, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

Homophobia has no place in conservatism, Christianity, or America.
John Doe
February 24th, 2010 @ 10:38 pm

“Homophobia has no place in conservatism, Christianity or America”? I guess we should celebrate avowed thieves, adulterers and hey, let’s get NAMBLA involved, too! They don’t actually practice pedophilia, they just advocate for the change of laws. Hey, we have to be all inclusive, doncha know? If you exclude pedophiles, you are being “homophobic!”
John Doe
February 24th, 2010 @ 5:38 pm

“Homophobia has no place in conservatism, Christianity or America”? I guess we should celebrate avowed thieves, adulterers and hey, let’s get NAMBLA involved, too! They don’t actually practice pedophilia, they just advocate for the change of laws. Hey, we have to be all inclusive, doncha know? If you exclude pedophiles, you are being “homophobic!”
Finrod
February 24th, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

Some people just don’t get it. Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you support:

– Socialized medicine
– Abortion on demand
– Leftists preaching in the classroom
– The truthfulness of the global warmists and their insistence that trillions of dollars be spent on their cause
– The emasculation of the US military and retreat from all conflicts abroad
– Confiscatory taxation
– Labor unions and all their corruption

Need I go on? The Left insists that all gays conform to their ideology, but that’s just bunk. You can be gay and be against everything I just listed, and what good conservative wouldn’t want to have the support of someone that agrees with them on all those issues?

Heck, a lot of gay people don’t even agree with the so-called ‘gay agenda’: a large fraction don’t even want gay marriage or ‘gay rights’, they’d just like the privilege of being able to visit their partner in the hospital like the rest of society takes for granted, and be able to grow up, have friends, be employed, and be a contributing member of society without worrying that someone is going get them fired, harassed, mugged or killed because of their private life.

Is that really too much to ask for?

And shouldn’t conservatives be glad of the support of people that support them on 90 percent of issues, or are at least persuadable in that direction, and either agree to disagree agreeably or hopefully come to some kind of reasonable compromise on the other items that nearly everyone can support?

Is that so completely off base?
Finrod
February 24th, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

Some people just don’t get it. Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you support:

– Socialized medicine
– Abortion on demand
– Leftists preaching in the classroom
– The truthfulness of the global warmists and their insistence that trillions of dollars be spent on their cause
– The emasculation of the US military and retreat from all conflicts abroad
– Confiscatory taxation
– Labor unions and all their corruption

Need I go on? The Left insists that all gays conform to their ideology, but that’s just bunk. You can be gay and be against everything I just listed, and what good conservative wouldn’t want to have the support of someone that agrees with them on all those issues?

Heck, a lot of gay people don’t even agree with the so-called ‘gay agenda’: a large fraction don’t even want gay marriage or ‘gay rights’, they’d just like the privilege of being able to visit their partner in the hospital like the rest of society takes for granted, and be able to grow up, have friends, be employed, and be a contributing member of society without worrying that someone is going get them fired, harassed, mugged or killed because of their private life.

Is that really too much to ask for?

And shouldn’t conservatives be glad of the support of people that support them on 90 percent of issues, or are at least persuadable in that direction, and either agree to disagree agreeably or hopefully come to some kind of reasonable compromise on the other items that nearly everyone can support?

Is that so completely off base?
Live Free Or Die
February 24th, 2010 @ 11:09 pm

The reason amoral’Conservatives’ might be in favor of courting Gays? Let’s see, Double- income-no-kids, majority of which are college-educated, high income status consumers, with a shorter life expectancy(disputed by gays as scare tactics of the Right). They are the PERFECT example of what the Global Governance Elite are looking for.
Homophobia, a made-up word by the Gays to bludgeon critics into silence. Kind of like Raaaaacist!is used on anyone who disagrees with O-bah-muhh.
Live Free Or Die
February 24th, 2010 @ 6:09 pm

The reason amoral’Conservatives’ might be in favor of courting Gays? Let’s see, Double- income-no-kids, majority of which are college-educated, high income status consumers, with a shorter life expectancy(disputed by gays as scare tactics of the Right). They are the PERFECT example of what the Global Governance Elite are looking for.
Homophobia, a made-up word by the Gays to bludgeon critics into silence. Kind of like Raaaaacist!is used on anyone who disagrees with O-bah-muhh.
John Doe
February 24th, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

OK, finrod, yer in CPAC next year. You don’t have to ask for an invite, just show up. Don’t hand out fliers announcing what you do in private. Just leave what you do behind closed doors behind. Don’t care if you are queer, just STHU. That’s all I ask. And I promise, I won’t wear a sign around my neck, “HEY WORLD! I’m A HETEROSEXUAL!!!!”
John Doe
February 24th, 2010 @ 6:25 pm

OK, finrod, yer in CPAC next year. You don’t have to ask for an invite, just show up. Don’t hand out fliers announcing what you do in private. Just leave what you do behind closed doors behind. Don’t care if you are queer, just STHU. That’s all I ask. And I promise, I won’t wear a sign around my neck, “HEY WORLD! I’m A HETEROSEXUAL!!!!”
Timothy Kincaid
February 24th, 2010 @ 11:28 pm

John Doe,

According to a very large survey by the CDC, gay/bi folk make up about 4.1% of the population (90% are heterosexual and the rest either “something else” or didn’t answer the question).

Gay folk generally have two parents (or more, if you count steps), a sibling or two, and neighbors, coworkers, friends and other folk who care about them. And unlike other minority populations, gay folk come from every demographic – including conservatives.

So it shouldn’t be surprising that that there are a large group of Americans – even conservative Americans – who find it offensive when their kids, siblings, neighbors, and friends are attacked.

Perhaps you are willing to piss all these folk off – at least while hiding behind a pseudonym – but others are not. There are many conservatives who may not agree with gay people on every issue, but unlike you and Ryan Sorba they are not motivated primarily by hatred and contempt.

So if conservatives really want to be a majority, they must consider that a campaign of hatred (for example, arguing that homophobia DOES have a place in conservative America or equating gay people with pedophiles) is not going to resonate with anyone other that other haters.

But maybe you’d prefer to be the purer-than-thou type of conservatives who can meet next year in a phone booth (remember phone booths? They are the “traditional” way to make a call.)
Timothy Kincaid
February 24th, 2010 @ 6:28 pm

John Doe,

According to a very large survey by the CDC, gay/bi folk make up about 4.1% of the population (90% are heterosexual and the rest either “something else” or didn’t answer the question).

Gay folk generally have two parents (or more, if you count steps), a sibling or two, and neighbors, coworkers, friends and other folk who care about them. And unlike other minority populations, gay folk come from every demographic – including conservatives.

So it shouldn’t be surprising that that there are a large group of Americans – even conservative Americans – who find it offensive when their kids, siblings, neighbors, and friends are attacked.

Perhaps you are willing to piss all these folk off – at least while hiding behind a pseudonym – but others are not. There are many conservatives who may not agree with gay people on every issue, but unlike you and Ryan Sorba they are not motivated primarily by hatred and contempt.

So if conservatives really want to be a majority, they must consider that a campaign of hatred (for example, arguing that homophobia DOES have a place in conservative America or equating gay people with pedophiles) is not going to resonate with anyone other that other haters.

But maybe you’d prefer to be the purer-than-thou type of conservatives who can meet next year in a phone booth (remember phone booths? They are the “traditional” way to make a call.)
Ventura
February 24th, 2010 @ 11:36 pm

Sorba had every right to speak out the way he did. In fact, a majority of Americans feel the same way when we are discussing SSM. When left to the true democratic process 31 out 31 states have voiced their strong support for traditional marriage and values.
You can’t argue with those results.
Ventura
February 24th, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

Sorba had every right to speak out the way he did. In fact, a majority of Americans feel the same way when we are discussing SSM. When left to the true democratic process 31 out 31 states have voiced their strong support for traditional marriage and values.
You can’t argue with those results.
John Doe
February 25th, 2010 @ 2:55 am

Ahhh, the Queer doth protest too much. All those people who support gathezz out there, thatz why gathezz marriage is overwhelminglyyy supported whenever it is put to a vote. No, wait, what? It isn’t? Oh. So, let’s go withz the lisperz anyway, just because Timothy (swish) says we should?
John Doe
February 24th, 2010 @ 9:55 pm

Ahhh, the Queer doth protest too much. All those people who support gathezz out there, thatz why gathezz marriage is overwhelminglyyy supported whenever it is put to a vote. No, wait, what? It isn’t? Oh. So, let’s go withz the lisperz anyway, just because Timothy (swish) says we should?
Joe
February 25th, 2010 @ 2:57 am

This is a brief rebuttal to Ryan Sorba:
Joe
February 24th, 2010 @ 9:57 pm

This is a brief rebuttal to Ryan Sorba:
Finrod
February 25th, 2010 @ 3:04 am

I don’t advertise my sexuality, John Doe. I’ve been using the same name on the Internet for 20 years now, and there’s only a handful of people that could even make a semi-informed conjecture as to what my proclivities are. I just don’t go advertising those things– I’m not the Facebook type of person.

But I’m sure if you were half as open as a lot of people are, I could find some feature of YOUR life that a significant minority of the population wouldn’t like. And I’m sure you wouldn’t like it one bit if people started haranguing you about it– there are people out there that hate almost anything, be it sports, religion, your choice of work, your choice of recreation, etc.

And I’ll damn well go to CPAC, or not go to CPAC, if I feel like it. If I’m there, I’ll volunteer for GOProud, or not volunteer for them, if I feel like it. I’ll offer my opinion when I want to, and if you don’t like it, you can shove it up your overly-tight ass.

Plus, you’re a colossal jerk in the first place for starting an argument about gays in a post titled ‘Would Everyone Please Stop Arguing About Gays and Ryan Sorba?’. From what little I know of you so far, I don’t like one bit of it, in fact I’m convinced the conservative movement would be better off if you would shut your whiny trap.
Finrod
February 24th, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

I don’t advertise my sexuality, John Doe. I’ve been using the same name on the Internet for 20 years now, and there’s only a handful of people that could even make a semi-informed conjecture as to what my proclivities are. I just don’t go advertising those things– I’m not the Facebook type of person.

But I’m sure if you were half as open as a lot of people are, I could find some feature of YOUR life that a significant minority of the population wouldn’t like. And I’m sure you wouldn’t like it one bit if people started haranguing you about it– there are people out there that hate almost anything, be it sports, religion, your choice of work, your choice of recreation, etc.

And I’ll damn well go to CPAC, or not go to CPAC, if I feel like it. If I’m there, I’ll volunteer for GOProud, or not volunteer for them, if I feel like it. I’ll offer my opinion when I want to, and if you don’t like it, you can shove it up your overly-tight ass.

Plus, you’re a colossal jerk in the first place for starting an argument about gays in a post titled ‘Would Everyone Please Stop Arguing About Gays and Ryan Sorba?’. From what little I know of you so far, I don’t like one bit of it, in fact I’m convinced the conservative movement would be better off if you would shut your whiny trap.
john
February 25th, 2010 @ 3:22 am

I have to agree with Mr. McCain that this argument is not especially helpful for our country in the leadup to an extremely important election. Aside from that, it is also completely pointless. Nobody is ever going to convince anybody else to think anything different on this issue. Cats and dogs.
john
February 24th, 2010 @ 10:22 pm

I have to agree with Mr. McCain that this argument is not especially helpful for our country in the leadup to an extremely important election. Aside from that, it is also completely pointless. Nobody is ever going to convince anybody else to think anything different on this issue. Cats and dogs.
mike parnell
February 25th, 2010 @ 4:33 am

I love it when bible-thumpers get all upset. These postings make me smile. As a proud gay man, I love that we’re winning. But I have a question: after gay marriage is the law of the land, what will you find to get all upset about?
mike parnell
February 24th, 2010 @ 11:33 pm

I love it when bible-thumpers get all upset. These postings make me smile. As a proud gay man, I love that we’re winning. But I have a question: after gay marriage is the law of the land, what will you find to get all upset about?
Joshua
February 25th, 2010 @ 5:51 am

Way to go… infest the Conservatives with the lost generation of homosexual men and anal sex. Great… kiss this country good bye if you keep pushing this stuff onto our nation.

CPAC is no longer conservative if they’re allowing this type of trashtalking, hyperventilating, spoiled, narcissistic, and psychologically immature men to invade our cause.

Anal sex is not a civil rights issue. It is a mental disorder.

The reason I am so adamant in this position is the homosexuals do not care about our childrens rights. They believe that as a minority of people that sleep around with anyone in any park or Home Depot, they have the right to thrust this stuff on children in schools.

Hey “other” McCain, you’er no different than McCain’s wife.

These militant homosexuals are now going to drive the GOP??? Why don’t you try looking at CDC statistics? There is a glaring problem with STDs and AIDs directly tied to their behavior at a much higher rate than the heterosexual community.

And they’ve lied to the media and our children. Homosexuals are not born homosexuals, nor is their any genetic proof, but they perpetuated that lie for a long time until studies proved them wrong.

Their behavior is abnormal. Why should we be forced to teach children that it is normal?

And why isn’t the homosexual community condemning Kevin Jennings for his support of a NAMBLA – man-boy love sick and twisted mind? Who also supports sick and twisted books of pedophilia?

Why don’t you condemn these actions by Obama to hire such a cretin?

How dare they boo someone who did nothing but get up to speak. This is the same far left liberal crap now invading the republicans and CPAC has lost any credibility by allowing such false and lying sponsors to our children.
Joshua
February 25th, 2010 @ 12:51 am

Way to go… infest the Conservatives with the lost generation of homosexual men and anal sex. Great… kiss this country good bye if you keep pushing this stuff onto our nation.

CPAC is no longer conservative if they’re allowing this type of trashtalking, hyperventilating, spoiled, narcissistic, and psychologically immature men to invade our cause.

Anal sex is not a civil rights issue. It is a mental disorder.

The reason I am so adamant in this position is the homosexuals do not care about our childrens rights. They believe that as a minority of people that sleep around with anyone in any park or Home Depot, they have the right to thrust this stuff on children in schools.

Hey “other” McCain, you’er no different than McCain’s wife.

These militant homosexuals are now going to drive the GOP??? Why don’t you try looking at CDC statistics? There is a glaring problem with STDs and AIDs directly tied to their behavior at a much higher rate than the heterosexual community.

And they’ve lied to the media and our children. Homosexuals are not born homosexuals, nor is their any genetic proof, but they perpetuated that lie for a long time until studies proved them wrong.

Their behavior is abnormal. Why should we be forced to teach children that it is normal?

And why isn’t the homosexual community condemning Kevin Jennings for his support of a NAMBLA – man-boy love sick and twisted mind? Who also supports sick and twisted books of pedophilia?

Why don’t you condemn these actions by Obama to hire such a cretin?

How dare they boo someone who did nothing but get up to speak. This is the same far left liberal crap now invading the republicans and CPAC has lost any credibility by allowing such false and lying sponsors to our children.
Joshua
February 25th, 2010 @ 5:54 am

Let me know “Mr. other McCain” when you start promoting polygamy as well. Because according to most of these idiots, we should not care about the bedroom, or what is forced on our children, right?

Talk about vicious hatred? That is the militant homosexual community that hates and demonizes anyone that dare question the rights of sex-crazed men and anal sex as civil rights issues.

Europe is failing and falling down exactly due to ths liberal, false agenda and why Islamization is happening to their blind cultures over there.

They thru G_d out of their lives and now America is trying to do the same. Once you do this, don’t be surprised when all hell breaks loose.

Rome is just around the corner “boys”