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Muslim Columnist: U.K. Rape Gang Case Exposes ‘Disgusting Cultural Beliefs’

Posted on | November 30, 2010 | 41 Comments

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is a founding member of British Muslims for Secular Democracy. A native Ugandan of Indian ancestry, she came to England in 1972, shortly before the ruthless dictator Idi Amin officially expelled Uganda’s Asian population. She married a British man, Colin Brown, and is a popular author, journalist and lecturer.

Alibhai-Brown is a woman of the Left, who opposed the war in Iraq and has been called an avatar of political correctness. All that said, she is at least unwilling to tiptoe around controversy, including last week’s shocking news about the Derbyshire gang led by Abid ­Saddique and Mohammed Liaqat that sexually exploited dozens of girls as young as 12.

This was one of several similar cases in recent years, and a report on the case by a Derbyshire youth agency identified “culture, ethnicity and identity” as a “critical factor” in making the girls (most of whom were white) vulnerable to the predators. The report said those issues were “worthy of wider consideration, possibly on a national basis,” and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown addresses those issues in her latest column for the British Independent:

The official inquiry into the case concluded that the care agencies were ill-equipped to deal with the scale of the abuse being perpetrated by the gang. But it also concluded that there needs to be an honest national conversation about how exploitation in some places intersects with “culture, ethnicity and identity”.
Let’s begin then. Because without such an open conversation, prejudices fester and millions of Britons come to believe that serious offenders from certain ethnic and religious groups have protected status within our country.
The Cornwall and Derby villains who used girls as sex toys believed that their victims had “asked for it”, which in our permissive age is an easy excuse. Very young girls are sexualised in the social environment, so paedophiles must feel they are only helping themselves to the goodies that are on offer. But in the case of the Asian men, disgusting cultural beliefs further validate their acts and their uncontrollable lechery is, in part, a symptom of repressed sexuality and sick attitudes.
Most Asian men do not go around raping young white girls and women; many have happy and equal relationships with white partners. However, an alarming number of Asian individuals, families and communities do believe that white females have no morals, are free and available, deserving of no respect or protection.
Up in Bradford a few years back, I met Muslim pimps, some wearing mini Koran pendants on heavy, gold chains. “Not our girls,” they reassured me, “just them white girls from the estates, cheap girls. They love it man, all the money they make! What else will they do with their lives? We’re helping them make a career.”
Much laughter, until I asked them what they would do if a white pimp groomed their daughters. They would kill the pimp and the girls too, they said. They would too.

What Alibhai-Brown exposes here is not merely a sexual double-standard, but also an ethnic or religious double-standard, where Muslim men have one standard for “our girls” and another standard for white girls, who are categorically presumed to be immoral.

If Alibhai-Brown has been willing to address the vicious attitudes among (some) British Muslim men that helped foster the environment in which the Derbyshire rape-gang flourished, wouldn’t it behoove someone to examine the problems among British whites that contributed to this horror?

The pimps in Bradford who talked to Alibhai-Brown about “cheap” white girls from “the estates” — British vernacular for government low-income housing, what we Americans would call “the projects” — weren’t just making up a stereotype out of thin air. In 2008, 45% of British births were to unmarried women and, in some low-income areas, the illegitimacy rate was as high as 68%. Such figures certainly indicate that a casual attitude toward pre-marital sex is commonplace in the U.K.

It isn’t just Muslim men who regard promiscuous women as “cheap,” you know. Wouldn’t it be rather hypocritical to stigmatize as “cheap” the lower-class girls in the estates who drop their knickers for every Tom, Dick and Mohamed, when similarly immoral behavior is exhibited by those at the top of British society?

And I do mean, the top.

Prince Charles reportedly spent his 20s hopping from the bed of one mistress, Camilla Parker-Bowles, to another, Kanga Tryon — both of whom were married to friends of his — and kept up his extramarital affairs after he and Diana were wed in 1981. After Charles and Di divorced in 1996, Diana took up with Dodi Fayed, in whose limousine she was riding when she was killed in an accident the next year. Charles recently married Camilla. Princess Ann has been married, divorced and remarried, and let’s not even start with Andrew and Fergie, eh?

Well, what about the rising generation of royals? William recently announced his engagement to Kate Middleton, whom he’s been stringing along since 2003. The couple have been shacking up together for months. And, by all accounts, Wills is the quiet one. It’s Harry that’s the wild child — heaven knows how many notches on his belt by now. He recently split with his on-again-off-again girlfriend of six years, reportedly because of Harry’s “desire to stay a bachelor for many more years.”

Here, then, you have the spectacle of “Royals Gone Wild.” Queen Elizabeth’s four children have gone through three divorces, accumulating a total of six spouses among them, and the young scion of the House of Windsor is shacked up in Anglesey with his bride-to-be.

A fine example, don’t you think, for the poor girls in the estates?

So much, then, for the royals. What about British celebrities — pop singers, TV stars, footballers and the like? Are they less “cheap” than the girls pimped out in Bradford and Derby?

A fish rots from the head down, and if Britons aren’t concerned by the putrid odor of moral decay in their society, they should be.­ It’s all fine for Yasmin Alibhai-Brown to condemn the “disgusting cultural beliefs” of men like Abid Saddique and Mohammed Liaqat, but to what extent are those beliefs — “that white females have no morals,” as Alibhai-Brown says — an accurate reflection of 21-century British decadence?

And given that a quite similar decadence is evident in American culture, isn’t Bob Belvedere correct to warn that what’s happening now in the U.K. foreshadows what the future holds for us?

UPDATE: Welcome, Instapundit readers.

UPDATE II: Linked at My Pet Jawa, Lonely Conservative, James Board, Maurice Myth and “Quote of the Day” at the Hayride.

Our British friend The Aged P. suggests I should visit Ye Merry Olde and do some shoe-leather reporting, which he insists would disprove the contention that British lasses have become a lot of whorish man-traps. While I’d be glad to take him up on the offer, such a trip would require a massive input to the Shoe Leather Fund – but since it’s “Make My Wife Happy” Week, after all . . .

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  • Ericdondero

    You’ve just touched the third rail my friend. What you are exposing here is entirely politically incorrect. It’s too hot to handle for CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, even Fox News.

    And very sadly, libertarians who normally would be all over this, are silent, cause it puts Muslims in a bad light. This story is politically incorrect all around. The ONLY ones willing to touch it, are Right libertarians such as yourself, LeftCoastRebel, and a tiny handful of others.

    The Blogosphere and Web News would be a total Wasteland were it not for TheOtherMcCain and other right libertarian blogs.

  • http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com Lisa Graas

    Paganism doesn’t stand a chance against Islam. Get back to your churches and synagogues, promote one man/one woman marriage, stay married, stand against abortion and promiscuity and have LOTS AND LOTS of little Jew and Christian babies. Otherwise, we’re toast.

  • Somers

    Minor correction: there’s a third son of QEII – who is rumoured to be gay and is certainly awful at running businesses.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the reminder about Edward, Earl of Essex. Despite the gay rumors — and his evident lack of business acumen — Edward and his wife have two children and are still married. So he’s done better than his royal siblings in that regard, at least.

    The text of the post has now been corrected.

  • Anonymous

    Of course I am correct – I am a subgenius.

  • Mike F.

    My problem is the leap of logic which goes from ” girls from the estates are cheap and immoral” to ” therefore we get to rape them with impunity”. Men and women who behave as alley cats should not have to expect gang rape to come with the territory.

  • Mal

    And yet, had a white man uttered a phrase like “disgusting cultural beliefs”, dearest Yasmin would’ve been on him like flies on a turd.

  • Anonymous

    Serious this time…

    -Well put. Part of The Present Crisis we face in America is that we are a depraved culture in many ways, as you point out so well. Behavior that was once restricted to the fringes is now part of the mainstream. I think it not a coincidence that, as Leftism has triumphed by marching through all of our institutions, our Culture has descended ever downward. As Jean Raspail would exclaim, ‘Could this be on explanation?’

    -The behavior of the Royal Family is nothing new. Such activities have been the norm for all such families ever since the first king was crowned. What is different now is that such conduct can no longer be conducted ‘discretely behind closed doors’ as it were. Therefore, any royal family must be as pure as Caesar’s wife if it is to sustain the people’s respect – a state which they may be mentally incapable of maintaining given their breeding and circumstances. [For the record: despite all of this I am still a believer in the English Monarchy as the great unifier of the nation.]

    -Perhaps a new Royal Family is needed in Fair Albion?

    -There was a very good reason why actors and actresses were not allowed in polite company in the 19th Century, why Mozart had to enter through the servant’s door. Bring back Shunning, I say!

    -Ironic about Prince Edward, eh?

    -It is Yasmin Alibhai-Brown’s comrades who have systematically brought about this situation. They have not received enough push-back from the middle class.

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  • http://twitter.com/TheAgedP DAVID RIDDICK

    Hey Stacy – Why not use some Shoeleather before consigning we Brits to the Dustbin Of History?

    http://www.theagedp.com/?p=1687

  • http://twitter.com/TheAgedP DAVID RIDDICK

    Hey Stacy – Why not use some Shoeleather before consigning we Brits to the Dustbin Of History?

    http://www.theagedp.com/?p=1687

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  • joe

    I fail to see how the House of Windsor’s shabby morals equates to providing a paradigm for the whole of the United Kingdom, especially certain members of the ROP, to go around raping thirteen and fourteen year olds.

    You drink like a lord and **** like a lord because you are a lord:
    “It’s good to be the king” as Mel Brooks said.

  • Anonymous

    As disgusting as these Muslim mens’ behavior is, this story should really serve as a wake-up call to Weserners. For nigh on 50 years now we have been trained by Feminists to believe that sexualization = liberation. Like it or not, if you’re in the UK and you go to London, Cardiff, etc., the girls you’re going to see getting piss drunk and screwing anything that moves are not going to be Muslim women. Same goes for any Western city.

    Muslims’ prejudices against Western women are largely born out of reality. Muslim women aren’t going to be whores, so if a Muslim sees a trampy woman, she’s Western.

    Is it wrong that Muslim men get a sick satisfaction from exploiting Western women out of racial animosity? Sure is. Would it be better if those women were being exploited by a fellow Westerner for any number of other reasons?

    This issue is a symptom of the degradation of the West in the name of leftist cultural “advancement”. The problem is with “us”, not “them”.

  • Anonymous

    You can do quite well with promiscuous women if you neither regard them nor treat them as cheap. And what do they think of the men with a “cheap” attitude? Marks.

  • Anonymous

    This issue is a symptom of the degradation of the West

    The double standard Re: women is not Western, it is human. Personally I prefer the “girls just wanna have fun” attitude of Western women.

    Every culture has its pitfalls. I’ll take ours. The range of acceptable possibilities is wider. i.e. we are more adaptable. A survival trait.

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  • Anonymous

    -The behavior of the Royal Family is nothing new. Such activities have been the norm for all such families ever since the first king was crowned.

    And why is it so prevalent in the West? We are richer. With wealth comes the “diseases” of wealth. i.e. human nature is what it is.

    I like it. But I always did like strong independent women. Rich cultures have more of them. I liked strong women so much that I married one. Twenty eight years and four children ago.

    #1. An artist
    #2. Fulbright Scholar – teaches American Culture at a Russian University.
    #3. Electrical Engineering student – drummer and drum teacher.
    #4. Chemical Engineering Student

    It is possible to raise strong families without “Victorian” attitudes. Our current situation is difficult because we don’t have “rules” that correspond to the current situation. Over the next 100 years – if we remain rich – we will have the cultural tools needed. In the mean time – as in any learning situation – there is going to be a lot of wreckage. Rule of thumb: if 50% of your experiments are not failures you are not learning fast enough.

    Girls who are not dependent on men are going to be more sexual generally. Girls who can control their “fertility” are going to be more promiscuous. When there are not enough suitable men around women will be more promiscuous. In America we like sending a lot of men to prison. Especially dealers in dried plants and plant extracts. This contributes to our problems.

    Ironically you find that the folks who most hate “cultural breakdown” also really like putting the hammer down on the dealers in dried plants and plant extracts. It is a wonder to behold.

    Humans is some very funny animals.

    Maybe some one needs to do ‘ “Cultural Rules For Aristocrats”. Or How to Get By With Loose Morals In An Age Of Plenty.’ Exhibition vs discretion could be one of the Chapters. It is all about etiquette. Americans don’t have any. Jerry Springer? The Gong Show? The $1.98 Beauty Contest?

  • Anonymous

    Could this be the basis for a Right and Proper Moral Panic?

  • nb

    Oh dear, oh dear! Bed-hopping at the very top of British society! Prince Charles having it off with Camilla Parker Bowles, like the mating of two depressed bassett hounds! How long can it be before our own virtuous Republic – yes, the very land that has pioneered every form of lewdity and lasciviousness for more than a century from drunken flappers to internet porn to pre-teen blowjobs – how long before our own Lady Liberty is tempted to drop her iron knickers and spread her ample corn-fed thighs?

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  • http://lupussolusluna.blogspot.com/ LoboSolo

    It’s no secret that Muslim men considered western women to be whores. Many years ago during a trip to Egypt, it was easy to see. Egyptian men would just walk into the women’s shower at a campground in the Sinai that I staying at.

    A Canadian got off the bus screaming and cursing a Egyptian man who kept pawing her.

    Walking by the National Palace in Cairo, the soldier on guard whistled at my travelling companion … A blonde German girl. Can you imagine a Marine guard at the White House whistling at women walking by?

    That same girl went to a bazaar one morning without me, against my advice, and she came back to tell me that the men kept grabbing her ass.

    Talk to almost anyone who has been out on the streets in the Middle East. Western women are whores and fair game.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Hepler/1461920673 Brian Hepler

    I don’t think the problem here is how western women act, but how Muslim men act. Muslim history is chock full of raping, repression and misogyny. And it’s not just towards western women, but towards anyone who fits the category of “not one of us”.

    Sure, we could bring back some of our more Victorian social mores. It might even help with some social problems of our own making. But it won’t stop barbarians from being barbarians. For nog’s sake, their culture believes women must walk escorted everywhere by a male family member lest they be perceived as “immodest”. You are not going to be able to conform to their social mores enough to convince them that we’re not full of decadent sluts. And even if you do, you’re still in the category of “not one of us” and they’ll find some new excuse to find victims.

    Punish these monsters. Make them conform to OUR culture, not the other way around.

  • Brock

    Er, why not? You play in dark water, you get bitten by sharks. That’s sort of how the world works.

    You can’t wish away bad people. (People are people, forever. Whether you believe in selfish-gene evolution or expulsion from Eden, the result is the same.) All you can do is not engage in behavior that allows bad people to act on their base instincts.

  • Fourmyle of Ceres

    This post doesn’t criticize “strong” women; it criticizes promisucous women who get drunk, high and pregnant while in high school (or earlier). Clearly your wife is not one of these women.

  • Fourmyle of Ceres

    Now, now Stacy, who’s really losing here in the big picture of things?

    Are white British women acting like whores? Clearly they are. They get drunk, high and pregnant while in high shool, have children out of wedlock, and have sex for money.

    But who loses?

    Low-value British blokes (aka, beta-males) get to have sex with lots of different partners (for money). High-value British blokes (aka, alpha-males) get to have sex with lots of different partners for free, and any children that result are supported by the State. And the women get to live the party lifestyle, get impregnated by high-value men who would have been “out of their league” in any traditional (non-polyamorous) marriage market, and have the State pay for any children that result.

    Win-win-win!

    Of course, there’s a downside to this informal polyamorous society. Single men just don’t have the same incentive to earn money as married guys with kids. Even if you’ve got a nice degree from a cheap, State-subsidized secondary school, why bother with the high stress professions when the trades will keep you in rent, booze, and new Xbox titles? Even retail work will do.

    So, in the short run the welfare State loses a base worth taxing, and in the long run civilization runs so low on architects, doctors, engineers and scientists that it can no longer sustain itself. Oops.

    But in the short term, everyone’s having a grand ol’ time. Or they would, if those Vandals^h^h^h^h^h Asians didn’t come stomping through looting and raping everything in sight.

    Now that I think of it, we’ve heard this song before, haven’t we?

  • wellhaithar

    “Disgusting cultural beliefs”. Well, these acts *can* be down to cultural beliefs, but actually these acts are down to what is taught in Islamic teaching.

    In Islam, non-Muslim women, under certain circumstances, can be kept as slaves and can be raped at will. Since these women nor those responsible for them were paying the protection tax (jizya), then Islamically speaking it could be argued that what these men did was perfectly alright.

    This is just a glimpse of what the future holds for non-Muslim societies which had leaders who were either stupid or evil and therefore let in millions of Muslims. From an Islamic perspective, all non-Muslims must be subjugated and all non-Muslims who are not Christians or Jews can be pretty much treated however the Muslims feellike treating them, whether that be killing them, enslaving them, raping them, torturing them. Please see Islamic history and current events in Muslim countries for details.

  • wellhaithar

    As for morals……. well, as long as people are consenting, and what they are doing does not adversely affect others or cause expense to unrelated parties, then what any particular person does is not the interest or business of any person unrelated to the act.

  • wellhaithar

    In Islamic societies, the male does not have to accept any responsibility for his actions when confronted with a female who is not covered adequately. The onus is always on the woman not to inflame the uncontrollable desires of the Muslim man. Clearly this is wrong.

    However, blame for this is shared by our treasonous leaders who encouraged enormous immigration of these primitives, then did not expect them to adopt the values of the host state. In the British and Western system, a man is expected to control himself. If he sees a scantily clad woman walking down the street he does not have the right to assault her. The system for Muslims is quite the opposite.

  • David

    What seems to be missing in the discussion so far is due consideration of the last line of the quoted excerpt:

    “Much laughter, until I asked them what they would do if a white pimp groomed their daughters. They would kill the pimp and the girls too, they said. They would too.”

    It’s not just the perception that Western women are whores. It’s that there have been no consequences for those who treat them as such. In another day and age, the rape-gang and all their family members would have had to fear the wrath of their victims’ families. Not now, it seems, at least in the UK.
    This also applies to the comment about the molestation of Western women visiting countries. Where there are no consequences, the predators become bold indeed.

  • Anonymous

    I believe William and Kate have been co-habitating for years. Perhaps on and off, but I think it was mentioned on Nightline that they moved in together in university.

    I could be wrong, but usually retain such trivia for unknown reasons.

  • peachperry

    The New Testament forbids polygamy.
    The New Testament forbids trigamy.
    The New Testament forbids bigamy.
    The New Testament forbids incest.
    The New Testament forbids mahometry.
    The New Testament forbids clitorectas.
    The New Testament forbids mutilatas.
    The New Testament forbids infibulatas.
    The New Testament forbids castratos.
    The New Testament forbids eviratos.
    The New Testament forbids musicos.
    The New Testament forbids sodomy.
    The New Testament forbids popery.
    The New Testament forbids priestcrafty.
    The New Testament forbids monkery.
    The New Testament forbids mariolatry.

  • Neanderthal286

    Hey be nice. I loved the $1.98 Beauty Contest, and my wife loves Jerry. Springer is the answer to the question; “What do you do when you can no longer make fun of physically deformed people”. Answer– Make fun of emotionally deformed people. I have class….it starts in about an hour.

  • Lynklly8

    Certainly Western popular culture has done young women no favors, but that aside, I would just like to point out that the next time Muslims start screaming “racism”, they should distinguish between their religion and an actual race (white). Muslim men who denigrate white girls are racist to the core.

  • Mike F.

    There is a rather large difference between, ” If you engage in that kind of behavior then don’t be surprised when bad things happen.” and “You’re a tramp so I don’t care/you deserved to get raped.” Violent people need to be put down like rabid dogs regardless of the seediness of their victims.

  • http://iliocentrism.blogspot.com/ Ilion

    Yet, one must constantly lie to oneself if one is to manage to not regard promiscuoous persons as “cheap.”

  • http://iliocentrism.blogspot.com/ Ilion7

    I think the famous double standard isn’t so much human as it is female — females tend to *despise* a virgin male; females almost always want only the male who already belongs to another female.

  • Renelev22

    Wow! And here I thought it’s the Old Testament that was supposed to be a killjoy!

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  • Delayna D

    I’d like to see a new law: Any application of Sharia law onto any non-Muslim person (including apostates) is punishable by deportation of that Muslim, and his family, all the way through to cousins of the third degree. *After* we punish them for the crime they committed (rape, “honor” killing, whatever).

    Or we could just give all British women hand guns and lots of bullets. I’m easy. (Oh, damn, another loose Western woman!

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