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Lindsey Stone of Plymouth, Mass., Has ‘Been Placed on Unpaid Leave Pending the Results of an Internal Investigation’

Posted on | November 20, 2012 | 148 Comments

“This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general. . . . OBVIOUSLY we meant NO disrespect to people that serve or have served in our military.”
Lindsey Stone of Plymouth, Massachusetts

Alas, Lindsey, it wasn’t quite as obvious to others as it was to you, eh?

While I hesitate to jump on the dogpile — e.g., the “Fire Lindsey Stone” Facebook page — my sympathy for you is limited by my suspicion that you’re not really sorry about what you did, you’re just sorry that you got caught. And I furthermore suspect that, as you sit home on unpaid leave, having deleted your Facebook page, you’re sulking in self-pity about how unfair it is and how mean these people are being to you.

But Lindsey, you did this on a company-paid trip to Arlington National Cemetery at THE TOMB OF THE UNKNOWNS!

“I can understand why veterans would be all upset over this,” says Edward LeBlanc who was in the Air Force for 20 years and served two tours in Vietnam.

Understatement of the year, sir. Perhaps you could explain to Lindsey, the daughter of Peter and Jeanne Stone of Plymouth, Mass., why the sign at the Tomb of the Unknowns asks for “silence and respect,” and why nobody’s laughing at her “clever” Facebook photo. Let me give it a try.

My childhood friend Dave brought his family to visit us a few years ago, and we all took a trip together down to Washington, D.C.

Dave was especially eager to visit Arlington National Cemetery. You see, Dave used to be a Scoutmaster and one of his former Scouts had grown up and joined the Army. This young man, whom Dave had taught in his troop all the way up to the rank of Eagle Scout — no small honor, that — had been selected by the Army for the even higher honor of Sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

So we went there and watched as this young Sentinel stood his watch, then saw the Changing of the Guard, and afterwards went to the quarters and talked with this soldier, Dave’s former Eagle Scout.

Y’know, old Dave was so proud, he cried.

Thinking back to that day, I also think of my late father, who had a deep scar on his neck from a piece of German shrapnel that came this close to killing him. “You got a million dollar wound, Mack,” the medic told him — bad enough he’d never have to go into combat again, but not so bad that he would be permanently crippled.

A lot of guys weren’t so lucky. And the unluckiest of all were mangled so badly that their remains couldn’t even be identified. These are the men who are buried at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

They gave “the last full measure of devotion,” and all we are asked to give them in return are “silence and respect.” Too much to ask? I think not.

You’re really feeling sorry for yourself, aren’t you, Lindsey? You think this is all about you, because you are selfish, and can’t think of the widows and orphans and bereaved parents of troops who died in their country’s service, and whose sacrifice you disrespected because you’re so smart and funny, “challenging authority generally.”

I gotta be me, as the douchebag credo goes.”
Ace of Spades

Really, Lindsey, it was unfair and mean of Ace to make fun of your arm fat. Because there are people with fat arms I actually like, and I wouldn’t want them to be offended. You, on the other hand . . .

Like I said, Lindsey, it’s not my instinct to dogpile someone, to kick them when they’re down and laugh at their shame. I’ve done lots of stupid, embarrassing things in my life, so I tend to empathize with people who find themselves on the receiving end of public humiliation.

Fire Lindsey Stone“? Yeah, they probably will, but I’ll take no joy in it, even knowing that you probably voted for Obama, you dumb bitch.

What will you do after they fire you, Lindsey Stone of Plymouth, Mass.? Maybe you should consider joining the Army. Maybe the Army would teach you a thing or two about respect. And maybe you’ll get mangled so badly they won’t be able to identify your remains.

Also, like Ace said, “a push-up wouldn’t kill ya.”


  • Christy Waters

    For those of us who are interested in the restoration of our country, the task goes beyond demographics and strategy. We have a culture that is rotting from within. This girl is part of the “trophy for showing up” generation that was taught to worship at the altar of their own self esteem. Thus, the notion of shame is a foreign one. Conversely, the value of the dignity of making your own way is also a foreign one, which is why people voted for Obama simply because they got a free govt phone out of the deal.

    We’ve chained ourselves by our own narcissism, and until we can learn to value the intangibles again, including the recognition that our freedoms come from God, I don’t see how our country can be restored. Those intangibles are the glue that holds our liberties together.

  • Taxpayer1234

    As smackdowns go, I give that a 10.0/10.0.

  • snit3

    A fine piece of writing – though somewhat restrained considering the subject matter. Unfortunately, Lindsey is not likely to grasp your subtlety.

  • JeffS

    I jumped on that Facebook bandwagon immediately, Stacy, and without hesitation.

    I took no joy in it. My own service was relatively benign. But my father went to his grave with shrapnel in his knee from a German 88. His brother was killed. Many are the soldiers I served with who sweated out nights in ‘Nam, Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom. I lost a cousin in Iraq; he joined the Marines barely below the maximum enlistment age after 9/11. There are plenty of scarred veterans around here.

    I did it for them. Lindsey deserves to be mocked. Maybe she can atone for this, and dig herself out of that wretched hole.

    But not until she understands what she did was wrong. And why it was wrong. That’s her own battle to fight. If she wants to.

  • Jerry Wilson

    Interesting, Stacy.

    You found time to write all this. Yet, this past August when my oldest brother, a decorated Vietnam veteran, passed away you never found the time while gallivanting about with Ali Akbar to so much as express condolences.

    Guess doing so wouldn’t generate as much blog traffic as piling on this story.

  • Jerry Wilson

    Here’s his obituary, in case you missed it

  • Evi L. Bloggerlady

    She is really disgusting.

  • Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Ugh. Lindsey Stone gives cows a bad name. Who wants to bet she voted for Elizabeth Warren.

  • robertstacymccain

    Jerry, you idiot, what you call “gallivanting about with Ali Akbar” was, in fact, me doing my job — covering the Republican National Convention. And the time at which you decided to go all apeshit on me just happened to be while my car was breaking down on my way out of Tampa. It took me three days to get back home. I never even saw the message about your brother’s death before you began denouncing me for having failed to acknowledge it.

    I was hurt and mystified by your hateful rage toward me, but chose to ignore it, figuring your grief and other personal frustrations had gotten the better of you. But for you to come here, three months later, and insult me all over again? To denigrate my arduous campaign travels as “gallivanting,” as though it were all one big whoop-di-do undertaken for my own amusement?
    Here’s a clue, Jerry: I work real hard to make it look like I’m just goofing around. Put on a fun show. Laugh at my misfortunes. Post pictures of myself partying down with celebrities.
    People enjoy it. Makes ’em smile. Gives them a reason to click on their computers: “What the hell has that crazy guy gotten himself into today?”
    Long time ago, when I was fighting The Great LGF War, some people criticized my methods, and I said, “Just because you don’t know what I’m doing, don’t assume that I don’t know what I’m doing.”
    It’s not my habit to explain myself. I just do what I do, and if people like it, great. If not, so what? Lots of other sites out there on the Internet. It makes no sense for somebody to sit around brooding about what I write (or don’t write) on this blog. So why are you brooding about me having “gallivanted” three months ago? Lots of people were gallivanting in Tampa that week.
    While I was gallivanting — actually, sweating in the sun waiting to go through the metal detectors — I had a very interesting conversation with Guy Benson about the unfortunate controversy regarding Tina Korbe’s skirt. Some people still haven’t forgiven me for that one. But we can’t live our lives trapped in the past, in a place of regret and blame, or else we’ll never be able to move forward.
    I’m willing to forgive you, but you seem to feel that I’m the one in need of a forgiveness that you are unwilling to give. And then, as soon as you posted your insuling comment, you got in my face on Twitter, practically daring me to to delete it.
    Damn, Jerry. Just … damn.

  • JeffS

    Assuming she even bothered to vote in the first place.

  • Jerry Wilson

    Your monthly supply of Boudreaux’s Butt Paste run out early, Stacy?

    Here, let me explain what I was looking for. All I was looking for. All.

    “Jerry, I’m sorry for your loss, and I thank your brother for his service to our country.”

    That was it, Stacy. Nothing more.

    Instead, I got silence from you and Ali Akbar calling me a “shitty family member.”

    And YOU’RE complaining about me being harsh? Really?

    Yes, I’m angry and bitter. I’m also the one who has no brother to call on Thanksgiving. No brother to talk sports or politics or faith with anymore.

    And your sole response is bellowing how you’re being put on by mean old me.

    Again – really, Stacy? Really?

    Who was it who called you and did his damnedest to talk you out of pulling the plug when Tabitha Hale was pulling her petty little shit? Oh yeah, that’s right. Me.

    All I wanted from you then and now is a simple “I’m sorry about your brother.” That’s all.

    Apparently I’m asking far too much of you.

  • Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Thank God for little favors…

  • robertstacymccain

    To repeat: You publicly denounced me before I ever knew why you were denouncing me, at a time when I was rather desperately trying to figure out if my broken-down car could make it home. It was Labor Day weekend, we couldn’t find a car-rental place, and the mechanic wasn’t sure whether the KIA would go another 10 miles, much less 700.
    At some point during that nightmarish weekend — I forget when — I logged on and saw you jumping all in my shit on Twitter. I was stunned: “What the hell is this? Why is Jerry mad at me?”

    There were more immediate problems at hand, and by the time I finally got back home, you’d already accused me of heinous selfishness — denounced me to the whole world as an egotistical ingrate — and I figured, “What’s the point? He hates me.”
    ME, butt-hurt?
    One or the other of us is having psychological issues here, Jerry. If it pleases you to think I’m the one that’s crazy, don’t let me interfere with your pleasure.

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  • matthew w

    I would guess she voted 6-7 times

  • matthew w

    I would guess she voted 6-7 times

  • SDN

    Tell me, Jerry, were you born a gaping asshole or did you go to special schools? I’m betting both….

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    Very, very well done, Stacy. Thank you for doing it.

  • SDN

    And his death is to be regretted. Yours, OTOH, would raise the average IQ of humanity and be a cause for celebration.

    And just in case anyone thinks I’m being unduly harsh on old Jerry, let’s recap: this excuse for a human being, instead of doing anything that is actually helpful, spends his time and energy heaping gratuitous bile on someone he doesn’t know and has never met, because this person didn’t drop EVERYTHING and give him what Jerry thought Jerry was ENTITLED to. Then he hides behind his dead brother, trusting that our instinctive respect for someone who has borne the burden will shield his cowardly ass from the beating it so richly deserves.

    He is the very model of the kind of “world owes me” dumbass who puts people like Obama into office.

  • Bob Belvedere

    I’m serious, Jerry: Suck it up. We all loose loved ones that are real close. I’ve lost two of my best friends over the past decade – and I’ve never had a lot of people I would label ‘best’ friends. My grandmother died in my damn arms as I was giving her CPR and I let it effect me for a lot of years – wasted ones. Get help, if necessary, or work it out – for your own sake.

  • higgins1990

    This is how liberals truly feel toward our military. Alas, it is still not yet vogue to publicly display such sentiments. Back to bashing Christians and Jews, then.

  • Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Your brother sounds like he was a wonderful man. I am sorry for your loss. I thank you for his service to his country.

  • Dustin

    I’m sorry for your loss. Your brother preserved the freedom that you and I enjoy today. People like him are the only reason this world is worth living in.

    With all due respect, I don’t think your anger with RSM is on solid ground. You cannot require demonstrations of sympathy. You should allow an unencumbered and authentic comment instead. Sometimes, that means you won’t get one.

    But when you force it, some people realize that anything they say will have been forced, and thus empty, and don’t bother with something that isn’t real. So the irony is a demand for a sincere condolence probably made one impossible.

  • Dustin

    RSM summed it up

    ‘They gave “the last full measure of devotion,” and all we are asked to give them in return are “silence and respect.”’

    He could have just posted that with the picture, and the whole point is clear.

    We have a terrible cultural disease.

  • Evi L. Bloggerlady

    matthew w: That requires criminal forethought and planning. She is probably capable of the criminal behavior, but on that forethought planning side….

  • Jeanette Victoria

    Cooler heads everyone; even conservatives need to understand what freedom of speech means. She should *not* be fired from her job because she made a public ass of herself. I suspect she is very typical of the silly airheads our governmental propaganda centers (know as public schools) are churning out. The girl was just responding to the sign. She was reacting to authority like she was taught in school. I suspect that this was a veteran’s cemetery or the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier never even crossed her mind. Really, the rage should be directed at those who educated this silly girl.

    Calling her place of employment is wrong and reeks of stalking and McCarthyism. She got what she deserved public humiliation. Freedom of speech means people should be FREE to express ideas that others find repulsive.

  • Christy Waters

    Thank you. 🙂

  • richard mcenroe

    “I’m Lindsey Stone and I vote…” and thus, America.

  • JeffS

    Fair enough.

    On the other hand, explaining her does not excuse her. Nor does it excuse the educational system.

    And while Lindsey is paying the price for her ignorance, those brave souls lying in rest throughout Arlington paid a higher one.

    So while you speak truth, I follow a higher Truth, and will continue to hold her in contempt…..until she earns some respect.

  • dwduck

    Yes, contacting her employer is over the line — unless you’re an investor or a customer, in which case you’re funding this moron. But I don’t have a problem with calling for her firing — not for revenge or for ideological impurity, as is common among the Left, but rather for showing such a stunning lapse in judgment as to call her competency into question.

  • richard mcenroe

    Agreed, this is not about Jerry’s brother, who deserves our respect; it’s about Jerry, who demands out attention.

  • Evi L. Bloggerlady

    She should be fired if that was a company sponsored trip. Whether they fire her or not for her own time stupidity is up to the company (I would fire her, but that is me).

  • richard mcenroe

    And getting back to the topic of this thread, Jeannette, actions should have consequences, and freedom of expression should not mean unbridled license to be an asshole. The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is a place for reverence and affection, not someplace for a perpetual adolescent to act out. Would her company have been justified in firing her if she had behaved that way at a wake they attended for a respected employee or customer. Of course. Then how much more so here?

    Shorter form: Take responsibility for your immature acts. If you goad someone into punching you in the nose, OWN it.

  • Jeanette Victoria

    Posting the photo was extremely *stupid*. I’m always shocked at what people expose about themselves on Facebook. So if she gets public ridicule for posting a such a picture then it is well deserved. What I have a problem is the fact the both Conservative and Liberal feel it is OK to get people fired if they are offended. That is wrong. It is the new Gulag for improper thoughts. conservatives especially should know better.

  • Becca Lower

    There’s a certain irony, Stacy, in Jerry choosing to air his woeful plaint against you in the comments of this blog post… and yeah, the butt-hurt is on his side, for sure.

  • Jeanette Victoria

    That is exactly what liberals say when they get someone fired for expressing their faith. Please review what is meant by freedom of speech. You are advocating soviet style repression just as the liberals are doing.

  • Jeanette Victoria

    If the company fired her because they saw what she did, that is one thing but they will be firming her because of being inundated by calls and emails by complete strangers from Face and blogs. That is staking and McCarthy mind control. It’s wrong.

  • JeffS

    Please do not go into moral equivocation.

    I concede that revenge is likely a motive for many people here. But if someone was cold sober, and deliberately publicly urinated on your foot to show they could, just how cool would your head be, hmmmm?

    Note the not-so-fine difference between the objective of the left to shut someone up versus the obvious but simple human anger at seeing a beloved national monument getting publicly dissed by a clown.

    I’ll accept the latter any day. It’s how I roll. I may not want her fired, but I am not going to question the anger of others. They’ll get cooler heads in time. Lindsey will just have to weather the storm.

    And as dwduck noted, it’s not as much as revenge, but questioning her competency and judgement. Would YOU want Lindsey working for you? A national embarrassment? Or at least go unpunished for thrusting your company into a very unflattering spotlight?

    Her employer has already put her on unpaid leave. That loss of income may be enough to teach the child that actions have consequences. We’ll have to wait and see what happens there.

    But if she does get fired, she will get no sympathy from me.

  • JeffS

    As I noted below, it’s also a case of questioning her judgement and competence. Time was, a person caught burning the American flag was assured of getting fired. That’s changed, and not for the better.

    Your dredging up McCarthy is an interesting point, though…..because that’s a standard defense by lefties when they get caught in flagrante delicto.

    It’s the moral equivalency argument, attempting to shame people into silence by bringing up Joe McCarthy and his UnAmerican hearings.

    (Which I am not buying, by the way, because the left has been all-too-happy to copy his style, but do so in the media.)

    Back to the point ….. you’re saying that what Lindsey did is American? After saying what she did was stupid? I’m hoping you see the disconnect in your thinking.

    It may be protected until the First Amendment, but it’s disrespectful of other Americans, and the price they paid so Lindsey could be a clown in public. If that’s “American”, I’ll take a plate of hash.

    McCartyism? No. Mind control? No.

    Simple. Human. Anger.

    That’s all. Don’t hype this into something that it isn’t.

  • Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Jerry is wrong to attack RSM like this. But I am sorry about his brother.

  • Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Freedom of speech does not mean your boss does not have the freedom to fire you if he disagrees with it. Freedom of speech only prevents the government from coming after you for it.

    And if her acts become known because they went viral, so what? It does embarrass her employer. I would not bother contacting the employer myself, this individual is hardly worth it. But if her boss fires her, it is all her doing. And it is not stalking to condemn something you disagree with.

  • Rob Crawford

    She was on the company dime. She should have behaved.

    Freedom doesn’t mean license; it doesn’t mean your acts have no consequences. Hell, if your actions have no consequences, you’re not free — you’re a pet.

  • Rob Crawford

    She’s getting Facebook attention BECAUSE SHE PUT IT THERE.

  • Rob Crawford

    She was on a company trip; on the company dime. She should be fired.

    It’s not “McCarthyism” to say someone should act like a professional when they’re on the clock. If this was her personal trip, paid for from her pocket, that would be one thing (though I still wouldn’t blame her employer for firing her; freedom of association cuts both ways).

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  • Jeanette Victoria

    Except that it is McCarthyism so no it’s isn’t a ploy. The facgt is you another other so called conservative are doing *exactly* the same thing liberals do; trying to sending someone to the gulag of unemployment for improper thoughts.

  • Rob Crawford

    Part of the problem with our society is that offensive, culturally destructive acts have no consequences.

    It was shocking to the left when the Dixie Chicks’ fans repudiated the group — but it wasn’t censorship, it was reacting to their provocation.

  • Rob Crawford

    It’s only “McCarthyism” because you don’t like it.

    And, no, it has nothing to do with punishing her “thoughts”. It has to do with punishing her ACTIONS.