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Lindsey Stone of Plymouth, Mass., Has ‘Been Placed on Unpaid Leave Pending the Results of an Internal Investigation’

Posted on | November 20, 2012 | 148 Comments

“This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general. . . . OBVIOUSLY we meant NO disrespect to people that serve or have served in our military.”
Lindsey Stone of Plymouth, Massachusetts

Alas, Lindsey, it wasn’t quite as obvious to others as it was to you, eh?

While I hesitate to jump on the dogpile — e.g., the “Fire Lindsey Stone” Facebook page — my sympathy for you is limited by my suspicion that you’re not really sorry about what you did, you’re just sorry that you got caught. And I furthermore suspect that, as you sit home on unpaid leave, having deleted your Facebook page, you’re sulking in self-pity about how unfair it is and how mean these people are being to you.

But Lindsey, you did this on a company-paid trip to Arlington National Cemetery at THE TOMB OF THE UNKNOWNS!

“I can understand why veterans would be all upset over this,” says Edward LeBlanc who was in the Air Force for 20 years and served two tours in Vietnam.

Understatement of the year, sir. Perhaps you could explain to Lindsey, the daughter of Peter and Jeanne Stone of Plymouth, Mass., why the sign at the Tomb of the Unknowns asks for “silence and respect,” and why nobody’s laughing at her “clever” Facebook photo. Let me give it a try.

My childhood friend Dave brought his family to visit us a few years ago, and we all took a trip together down to Washington, D.C.

Dave was especially eager to visit Arlington National Cemetery. You see, Dave used to be a Scoutmaster and one of his former Scouts had grown up and joined the Army. This young man, whom Dave had taught in his troop all the way up to the rank of Eagle Scout — no small honor, that — had been selected by the Army for the even higher honor of Sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

So we went there and watched as this young Sentinel stood his watch, then saw the Changing of the Guard, and afterwards went to the quarters and talked with this soldier, Dave’s former Eagle Scout.

Y’know, old Dave was so proud, he cried.

Thinking back to that day, I also think of my late father, who had a deep scar on his neck from a piece of German shrapnel that came this close to killing him. “You got a million dollar wound, Mack,” the medic told him — bad enough he’d never have to go into combat again, but not so bad that he would be permanently crippled.

A lot of guys weren’t so lucky. And the unluckiest of all were mangled so badly that their remains couldn’t even be identified. These are the men who are buried at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

They gave “the last full measure of devotion,” and all we are asked to give them in return are “silence and respect.” Too much to ask? I think not.

You’re really feeling sorry for yourself, aren’t you, Lindsey? You think this is all about you, because you are selfish, and can’t think of the widows and orphans and bereaved parents of troops who died in their country’s service, and whose sacrifice you disrespected because you’re so smart and funny, “challenging authority generally.”

I gotta be me, as the douchebag credo goes.”
Ace of Spades

Really, Lindsey, it was unfair and mean of Ace to make fun of your arm fat. Because there are people with fat arms I actually like, and I wouldn’t want them to be offended. You, on the other hand . . .

Like I said, Lindsey, it’s not my instinct to dogpile someone, to kick them when they’re down and laugh at their shame. I’ve done lots of stupid, embarrassing things in my life, so I tend to empathize with people who find themselves on the receiving end of public humiliation.

Fire Lindsey Stone“? Yeah, they probably will, but I’ll take no joy in it, even knowing that you probably voted for Obama, you dumb bitch.

What will you do after they fire you, Lindsey Stone of Plymouth, Mass.? Maybe you should consider joining the Army. Maybe the Army would teach you a thing or two about respect. And maybe you’ll get mangled so badly they won’t be able to identify your remains.

Also, like Ace said, “a push-up wouldn’t kill ya.”

Comments

148 Responses to “Lindsey Stone of Plymouth, Mass., Has ‘Been Placed on Unpaid Leave Pending the Results of an Internal Investigation’”

  1. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:07 am

    Yes and she is getting public ridicule. I have no problem with that. In fact she deserves public ridicule. (hint you should *read* my whole post). I’m objecting to her place employment being posted and people encouraged to call them to get her fired. That is is stalking and wrong. It is also what liberal do when they are offended by a conservative post.

  2. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:09 am

    She didn’t mention her employer the so-called conservative dredged that up for one purpose only to send to the the gulag of unemployment for improper thoughts. Not very conservative please review the concept of “freedom of speech”.

  3. Jerry Wilson
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:10 am

    Thank you.

  4. Jerry Wilson
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:11 am

    You’re mighty brave in cyberspace, flameboy.

  5. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:16 am

    She never mention her company on the photos so-called conservative dug that up and urged people to contact her employer to get her filed. That is mob mentality. It’s shameful. It us shocking hoe many so called conservatives act just like liberals and can’t can’t see it.

  6. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:18 am

    I suggest you do a little research on just what McCarthyism is. You want her fired because you don’t like her political view. That by definition is McCarthyism. Her so called “actions” were simply juvenile and silly. Nothing more or less.

  7. richard mcenroe
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:21 am

    That has been the open practice of liberal academia since the ’60’s.

  8. richard mcenroe
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:24 am

    We have gone from “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son” to “Fat, drunk and stupid is legally protected speech and will get you a TV series.” Somewhere along the way we crossed too many lines of decency, common sense and survivabiility. Not sure we can find our way back.

  9. Paul H. Lemmen
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:31 am

    The price of Liberty is perpetual vigilance. That one would sell her Liberty for a virtual bowl of pottage. She is a poster-child of our nations downfall.

  10. Dianna Deeley
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:38 am

    She was happy to put the picture up. She did this to herself.

    When you choose an action, you choose the consequences of that action.

  11. Dianna Deeley
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:40 am

    Jeanette, what she did on a company sponsored trip reflects on her company. The company has its own reputation to protect.

  12. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:40 am

    Another liberal sound bite used to justify McCarthyism…

  13. SDN
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:42 am

    Put up an address, buttmunch. I’ll be happy to visit.

  14. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:42 am

    I suggest you read my post completly she rightly deserves public humiliation. But going after her job is Fascist thought control and wrong.

  15. Dianna Deeley
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:43 am

    Actions. Not just her behavior, but having a picture she proudly posted.

    This is not a “thought crime.” This is an action so egregiously offensive that it demonstrates that she has no respect for anything, and I would fire her the second I saw the picture. Bad behavior, shameless posturing and incredibly bad judgement are not things I would tolerate in an employee.

  16. Dianna Deeley
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:45 am

    Nonsense.

  17. richard mcenroe
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:46 am

    Jerry and Lindsay have something in common. In the end, it’s all about them.

  18. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:47 am

    You are still missing the point the general public did not know that, nor did they know where she worked until conservatives decided to go Jihad on her and posted that information. It’s stalking and encouraging others to stalk. It’s what liberals do all the time. Hypocrites.

  19. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:49 am

    Of course it is offensive. The fact that she is the topic of public humiliation is justly deserved. My object is the McCarthy action taken to get her fired.

  20. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:51 am

    No I am apply the same standards of behavior across the board to *everyone*. This shouldn’t be hard.

  21. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:54 am

    You do understand that many a combat vet will tell you they went to war to people could be FREE to act like an ass in public.

  22. Dianna Deeley
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:54 am

    Again, nonsense.

  23. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:54 am

    What “McCarthy action”?

  24. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:55 am

    How is criticizing her “Fascist thought control”?

  25. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:56 am

    LOL you sure told me.

  26. Dianna Deeley
    November 21st, 2012 @ 11:58 am

    This is a good article, and (where it’s on-topic) a lively discussion. Now, I have actual work to do, and propose to get to it.

    Have a great day, everyone.

  27. Daria DiGiovanni
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

    I cannot state it any better than Christy did below. Suffice it to say, Lindsey is the poster child for all that ails our rotten culture. If our leaders are simply a reflection of the electorate, that tells you all you need to know as to why Alinsky Marxists like Obama and the rest of his comrades are able to get elected in the first place.

  28. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:01 pm

    The problem is not *this* girl but the system that produced her. That is were the public outrage should be directed. This girl behaved just as she was taught. There are hundreds of thousands out there just like her.

  29. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

    You are welcome.

    I think you are a good man (and blogger) who is in a lot of pain. You obviously loved your brother very much and from what you posted there is a lot to admire him for. Attacking RSM over this is (in my opinion) not helping. I know you disagree with RSM about Ali, but we all have disagreements about things. However, this issue of your brother seems to be an unfortunate misunderstanding rather any intent to slight you or your brother’s memory.

    I am sorry to bud into this, but you made it an issue by posting about it.

  30. MM
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:04 pm

    I grew up in “the system,” but my parents actually parented. The system is part of the problem, but personal responsibility is first taught at home. The problem IS the girl, her parents, PLUS the system. People of her same generation are fighting in Iraq, but she CHOSE to do this.

  31. richard mcenroe
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:05 pm

    Yeah, and I’d like those combat vets to see that picture and then meet Lindsay.

  32. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

    I suggest you*read* what I posted before commenting since I never said criticizing her “Fascist thought control”. In fact I said she should be criticized and deserves public humiliation.Getting her fired from her job is “Fascist thought control”

  33. MM
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:09 pm

    She asked for attention, and now she’s getting it. I don’t think you understand who the 1st Amendment actually protects you from, and that is the government, not other private actors. Joe McCarthy was a US Senator, thus a government, not private, actor. That being said, I would not fire her if she is a good employee, but I would not shield her from shame and public ridicule, either.

  34. Jeanette Victoria
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:10 pm

    They wouldn’t like her much, but that isn’t the point is it. She should have the freedom to be an insensitive idiot.

  35. ThomasD
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:21 pm

    The sign wasn’t placed there for the benefit of the ‘power structure’ or as an expression of authority. It was placed there to remind the living that the persons buried there are due the utmost respect. There is simply no other interpretation of that sign worthy of consideration.

    Whether she did not, or could not understand this meaning is not material. What you recommend is that she be given a pass on account of being an idiot.

    Nature does not work in this fashion, being entirely unforgiving of such error. So, in that sense this sign is no different than one that reads “Danger: Thin Ice.

    Ignoring such a sign may merely be carelessness, but openly flaunting one is a sure sign of idiocy. I may pity one who suffers the consequences of such action, but I cannot and will not sanction it.

    What she gets is entirely what she deserves.

  36. ThomasD
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:26 pm

    It’s not over ‘improper thought’ it is over grossly inappropriate public, and highly (self) publicized behavior.

    Not just what she did, but her announcing it to the world on the internet.

    No prior restraint then or now, only a just – and entirely foreseeable – response.

  37. MM
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

    I have yet to see a United States Senator calling for her to be fired. So far, no Congressional hearings on un-American activities. What you object to is that people, private actors, who object to what she did are emulating the successful tactics of the left. That is not McCarthyism.

  38. ThomasD
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

    Nothing more? Not offensive, not disrespectful, not classless, clueless or asinine?

    You come and presume to tell us the only acceptable judgement of her actions?

    Prattle on all you want about ‘so called conservatives.’ You clearly are no conservative, and are the one intent on policing thought.

  39. Adobe_Walls
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

    WHAT A DINGBAT! (a dingbat twofer actually)
    In my opinion there is no consequence of this action that she doesn’t deserve or at least none that she didn’t ask for. Free speech doesn’t protect one from the consequences of ones own stupidity. Those who went after her are perfectly correct. If a pedophile posts pictures of themself violating a child, is it improper to vilify and go after them in every possible way?
    Her employer has every right and has reason to terminate her. No thinking person or association of any kind wants themselves associated with her. They may be concerned about exposing their other employees to an obvious sociopath, or perhaps they feel obligated to do their part in making sure that someone this stupid doesn’t have access to electricity.

  40. Adobe_Walls
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

    Again WHAT A DINBAT!
    This isn’t a conservative/librul issue or at least it shouldn’t be. This is a human decency (or lack of) thing.

  41. Adobe_Walls
    November 21st, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

    She was and still is “Free to act like an ass in puplic” but not protected from the results of that action.

  42. Bob Belvedere
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

    …a local hack politician took care of that.

  43. Jerry Wilson
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

    Your tough guy act amuses me, as does your insistence on wedging into a disagreement between Stacy and myself. Now run along before you annoy me further and let Stacy fight his own battles. By the way, he has my phone number and can call me any time.

  44. Bob Belvedere
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:28 pm
  45. Bob Belvedere
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

    You made it public, Jerry.

  46. Bob Belvedere
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

    Bingo!

  47. Jerry Wilson
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:33 pm

    And that makes SDN’s act acceptable? Really now.

  48. Bob Belvedere
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

    It takes a village to maintain decency.

  49. SDN
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

    You hung your ass (and your brothers) out where everyone could see it. No one wanted you to. FOAD.

    And if you were actually anything other than scared I’d see an address.

  50. Bob Belvedere
    November 21st, 2012 @ 1:40 pm

    …the general public did not know that, nor did they know where she worked
    until conservatives decided to go Jihad on her and posted that
    information.

    She put the picture up on Facebook, you know that public forum.

    BTW: It’s obviously that either (1) you’re a Leftist or (2) you’re on the Right but have been brainwashed by Leftist propaganda because you’re using Leftist arguments straight out of the Leftist Narrative Playbook.

    Update your knowledge: Paul Kengor, M. Stanton Evans, and others have shown that HUAC and Sen. McCarthy were, in the main, right.