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Apparently, John McCain Doesn’t Think He’s Done Enough Yet to Destroy the GOP

Posted on | January 27, 2013 | 124 Comments

During Saturday’s panel on immigration at the National Review Summit, Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies made the point that a Republican-backed “comprehensiive” bill would not only fail to win Hispanic support for the GOP, but would actually hurt the party. If any such bill becomes law, Obama and the Democrats would take credit for its passage, while the people who oppose amnesty — especially blue-collar white voters — would blame Republicans.

Of course, the living antithesis of political wisdom, John McCain, insists Republicans must pass amnesty:

MARTHA RADDATZ: So how do you convince Republicans about the path to citizenship?
SENATOR MCCAIN: Well, look, I’ll give you a little straight talk. Look at the last election. Look at the last election. We are losing dramatically the Hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons, and we’ve got to understand that. Second of all, we can’t go on forever with 11 million people living in this country in the shadows in an illegal status. We cannot forever have children who were brought here by their parents when they were small children to live in the shadows, as well. So I think the time is right.

 

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  • http://twitter.com/richard_mcenroe richard mcenroe

    If McCain likes it it’s not only a bad idea but it’s bad for the country. Time to retire, Cousin John.

  • http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/ Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Maybe he can work on his parenting skills and otherwise STFU.

    I will leave immigration reform (if at all) to Rubio. Personally the status quo sucks so something needs to be done. But I do not need Stacy’s cousin screwing things up.

  • robertstacymccain

    He’s a reliable source of bad ideas.

  • robertstacymccain

    The point Krikorian was making is that the Republican would lose more votes (in terms of blue-collar support) than it could ever hope to gain from such a deal.

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  • http://twitter.com/Kala_Bon Tom Callow

    Why do we even care about McCain anyway?

    The best thing he ever did was to pick Palin

    The media is hard on McCain, but not as hard as they are on Palin.

    Here’s an example media bias,.

    http://tinyurl.com/njura6

    This youtube vid has been around for years, and I know for a fact that I have pasted this link in places that it would have gotten this number of views in one or two days, yet after years of exposure, youtube lists it as having 63.000 some views

    This is what they do, what the media does now, what they are now.They Alinskied Palin and all conservatives and still do to this day.
    I say forget guns; framing hammers can kill people too, and and they are not registered or subject to manipulations of media re:emotions.

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    Rubio’s not good on the issue either.

  • http://twitter.com/Van_der_Leun Gerard Vanderleun

    Guy needs to have his jaw wired shut. Then welded.

  • http://twitter.com/Van_der_Leun Gerard Vanderleun

    John McCain: The White Colin Powell

  • JeffS

    John McCain: The Republican Jimmy Carter.

  • http://twitter.com/ThatChristyChic Christy Waters

    Hmmm, why wasn’t John McCain in attendance with other non-conservatives at the NRI Summit?

  • sablegsd

    What needs to be done is to enforce the damn law!

    NO AMNESTY!

  • http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/ Evi L. Bloggerlady

    Not going to happen. We are way beyond that.

  • http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/ Evi L. Bloggerlady

    I know how you feel. But the status quo has done its damage. We can do nothing and it will just keep getting worse, we can try to mitigate the harm being done. Immigration is not the problem, it is a lack of assimilation and not allowing smart immigration.

  • Lightwave

    The “path to citizenship” for illegals is simple.

    It starts with deportation. We’ve tried amnesty before 25 years ago. It failed. If this means tossing 20 million people over the border into Mexico and putting the US Army on the Rio Grande, so be it.

  • http://twitter.com/RangerSG Shawn Gillogly

    Ok. I’ll admit I can live with the military as a path to citizenship, just like it was for a long time for Filipinos. If someone wants to defend freedom in this country for the right to be a citizen, that should not be denied.

    But college? Forget about it. We already have enough debt that’s not going to be repaid on student loans w/o people who aren’t going to be part of the solution taking more of it.

    I’d also say that this throws the issue right back at the Dims, because the military reliably votes GOP, and it shows Hispanics we really do support those who will participate in our society and embrace our freedom. It just doesn’t reward those who want to be given a free pass for liberal indoctrination.

  • Quartermaster

    Most of the Filipinos went home when they got out of the Navy.

  • http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/ Evi L. Bloggerlady

    John McCain and Mitt Romney should do a reality show together.

  • jsn2

    Raddatz is a Neo-Scum Journalist who covers for pedophiles and child hooker lovers like Sen. Robert Menendez (Democrat – N.J.)
    McCain is a Neo-Scum collaborator.

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    The legalize and regularize folks (and I) are beating up Republicans on this issue every day of the week. The fact that the old and grumpy crown is completely unable to recognize this fact if one of several reasons why Mitt Romney lost. When peaceful people want to come to America and work how ever does it make sense to deport them?

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    This is one of many comments that should prompt the anti-”amnesty” crowd to reconsider their position. When all you have is a bunch of name-calling know-nothings that is an indication that you are on the wrong side.

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    Why does it make sense to use the US Army to defend against people who want to mow lawns and make tamales? A far better idea is to examine and document those who wish to live and work here and identify and reject those who can be identified as criminal.

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    What if Rubio and McCain happen to agree?

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    True enough. I don’t think it worthwhile wasting our time on the national government – both sides [if you can still define them as 'sides'] there are going to do the Leftist thing, so I think we should concentrate on getting the states to enforce the federal laws the national government won’t enforce.

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    Unlike the others, he doesn’t extend his pinky when drinking tea.

  • jsn2

    The answer is to control the border and not allow it to be a sieve for illegal entrance. Prosecute employers who knowingly hire illegals. Comb through the welfare rolls and eliminate checks to non citizens. I could go on.

    Amnesty just encourages the next generation of illegal immigrants and ensures that a wave of new illegals will come here before the “deadline” that will surely be written into an amnesty bill.
    Being from Texas I know quite a bit about illegals. I have a life long friend whose parents legally immigrated from Mexico 60 years ago. My wife is a legal immigrant. Neither are in favor of “amnesty”.
    I went through grades k-12 in Houston and have known many Mexicans both legal and illegal and the vast majority are great people, and I have personally helped a few illegals which I do not regret, but immigration laws are on the books and should be enforced.
    The problem for the most part liberal politicians who want a campaign issue and not a solution.

    And, I will call McCain a neo-scum collaborator and Raddatz a neo-scum journalist at my pleasure.

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  • http://twitter.com/RangerSG Shawn Gillogly

    True enough. But it gave them a choice. Who knows, maybe a lot of those former illegals will decide they’d rather go back than serve too. It’s probably the only way they could be identified to be deported, at this point.

    And if they serve, at least they’d be no different than the large number of small-town troublemakers who got told to join the Service or they’d be tossed in prison. And force them to take an actual stake in the country instead of mooching off it, like they would helping inflate the higher education bubble.

    Now I know this isn’t the ‘path’ McCain and his ilk will promote. They’re going to say let them go to college, bilk the student loan system, push the cost of higher education up for everyone, AND get into the country free. Dumb.

  • elaine

    Your assumption that all illegal aliens come here to live law-abiding lives as people doing jobs Americans won’t do is your first mistake.

    People who believe they can violate international law to get what they want don’t really have a problem violating local, state, or federal laws getting more of what they want.

    Illegals routinely flee from the scene of accidents, even when a state offers them a legal drivers license to keep them from running away.

    The left protects and encourages illegal immigration because illegals provide slave/indentured labor for them. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative…

  • jsn2

    That’s an over simplification. Allowing millions of illegal immigrants is bad policy. Protecting the border is in the best interest of all citizens.

  • elaine

    Would anyone but lefties watch it?

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    Allowing others to become legal residents makes sense. The current status quo doesn’t make sense. If there is a law on the books and enforcing it is a net loss for We the People then it should not be enforced and should be repealed as soon as possible. For all the people you mention having helped and for all the people that you have personally observed as being good and decent people there are plenty more just like them that have never been given the opportunity to legally come to the US due to arbitrary laws that make no economic sense.
    I have no urge to legally prohibit your name calling. I do however think that when all you have to offer in a comment is a mere name call then you are adding nothing to the discussion.

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    Identifying the criminal and undesirable 1% is an achievable goal. Prohibiting the 99% is not an economically productive goal. I am all for protecting the border but the important question is protecting the border against *exactly* who?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003232872834 Becca Lower

    Didn’t they already do that?

  • jsn2

    Protecting U.S. citizens who live near the border from the illegals. You apparently don’t live near the southern border or know much about what goes on there.

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    When an illegal alien can be deported as a result of a traffic accident it hardly surprises me that some will flee the scene. Make an illegal alien a lawful resident with rights to appeal to the government for proper redress and you will end any supposed illegal alien slavery and reduce the number of people fleeing traffic accidents. There are many people who break city regulations, county codes as well as state and federal laws. So long as those people do so without harming or defrauding another person then I have no problem with that. If you want to prevent people (be they legal residents or not) from getting benefits from the government the solution is to stop government handouts. Immigration prohibition (aka the current system) is a wasteful job program for government employees. I want to have burglars, murderers and thieves to be punished. I don’t want my neighbors gardener to be deported because he just happened to be born in Mexico.

  • Wombat_socho

    It’s really long past time this Ramirez cartoon became reality.

  • Wombat_socho

    Because they get all pissed off when we try to deport their criminal relatives.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003232872834 Becca Lower

    Because he was too busy talking to Ms. Raddatz on ABC. #priorities

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    I live in Phoenix, Arizona (178 miles from Nogales, Mexico). I do know that there are plenty of perverse incentives and unintended consequences of the current system which is basically one of immigration prohibition for 99% of average Mexican folks.
    Who is it you want to be protected from? Criminals or gardeners?

  • jsn2

    I think “neo-scum” added to this discussion and I doubt Raddatz likes the name, McCain probably doesn’t care. Any person who identifies themself as a professional journalist and does not objectively cover the news is a neo-scum journalist. I coined the term for biased reporters. They can’t be allowed to define themselves as neutral or objective. McCain allows himself to be used to advance their goals and has earned the name.

  • Veritas

    Does it make sense to insure the borders aren’t crossed by rapiists, thugs and child molesters? That our frontiers are protected against typhoid, dengue fever and other diseases? That those who obey our laws are not put at a disadvantage by those who disregard it?
    Does it make sense to characterize people who wish to be Americans as those fit to mow lawns and make tamales?
    I think you are a racist and an idiot.

  • jsn2

    You like straw man arguments. I think you know the problem is the sheer number or illegals, but that doesn’t fit the framework of your baseless argument.

  • Veritas

    THE USA needs to be protected against low information people like Thane. Who else could define our immigration system as designed to exclude 99% of the Mexican population? What are you an English major from UCLA?

  • Veritas

    Thane again demonstrates the circular reasoning that parades as enlightened thought in the salons of MoveOn and Occupy Wall Street. Its hard to justify breaking the law because you have choosen to violtae the immigration laws. How about following up that illegals are far more likely to be involved in criminal activities than native Americans or legally admitted aliens according to the FBI. Or that illegal aliens make up an unprecedented bruden on the communities they reside in.
    Just because your neighbor’s gardener can be exploited by your kind is no reason to sanction illegals. When I see a wall along the border and strict enforcement and limitation of welfare benefits (according to our laws even legally admitted aliens may be deported for being public burdens) I may change my mind.
    Till then I find your arguments so much MoveOn NS.

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    If I am less than a perfect on-topic debater then I am sorry. It seems to me that you think that having millions of people that want to live in the US is a problem. I think that a country or a grocery store would welcome more people so long as those people were not known criminals.
    As for my arguments being straw man or baseless I encourage you to point out exactly how my assertions fail.

  • Veritas

    Romney lost because he didn’t fight Obama but laid down to be trampled on. Anyone offering a stout no amnesty argument would have won. We don’t need more people to suck off the government teat. We have enough losers like Thane all ready.

  • Veritas

    Pote meet kettle.
    Poor little Thane who needs to review his comments to see the irony in his comments.

  • Veritas

    Thane there is no need to demonstrate both your sense of irony and project your failings onto others. Its just sooo gaay.

  • http://twitter.com/ilovegrover Thane_Eichenauer

    The current immigration system basically assures that people in all the unwanted categories above are going to get into the US.
    As for my comment about gardeners and tamale makers that is only an example, one that is true based on my personal experience (It is hard to get many jobs without legal documentation). I would be just as happy to have a Mexican national immigrate to the US to operate a nuclear power plant if he were competent to the task he was hired to perform.

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