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Apparently, John McCain Doesn’t Think He’s Done Enough Yet to Destroy the GOP

Posted on | January 27, 2013 | 124 Comments

During Saturday’s panel on immigration at the National Review Summit, Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies made the point that a Republican-backed “comprehensiive” bill would not only fail to win Hispanic support for the GOP, but would actually hurt the party. If any such bill becomes law, Obama and the Democrats would take credit for its passage, while the people who oppose amnesty — especially blue-collar white voters — would blame Republicans.

Of course, the living antithesis of political wisdom, John McCain, insists Republicans must pass amnesty:

MARTHA RADDATZ: So how do you convince Republicans about the path to citizenship?
SENATOR MCCAIN: Well, look, I’ll give you a little straight talk. Look at the last election. Look at the last election. We are losing dramatically the Hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons, and we’ve got to understand that. Second of all, we can’t go on forever with 11 million people living in this country in the shadows in an illegal status. We cannot forever have children who were brought here by their parents when they were small children to live in the shadows, as well. So I think the time is right.

 

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124 Responses to “Apparently, John McCain Doesn’t Think He’s Done Enough Yet to Destroy the GOP”

  1. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 27th, 2013 @ 9:04 pm

    Tom “No Amnesty” Tancredo failed to prevail in the 2008 presidential primary. The problem with government benefits isn’t the geography of the person who obtains them it is the fact that government should not be offering welfare benefits in the first place.
    Calling me names doesn’t make your assertions any more logical and doesn’t skewer my assertions. Argue the issues not the person.

  2. jsn2
    January 27th, 2013 @ 9:14 pm

    Another straw man argument. I have made no such statement.
    To put a fine point on it, an illegal immigrant is a criminal. No one should be allowed to “invite” themselves into this country to enjoy the rights of citizenship any more than anyone should be allowed to invite themselves into your home and enjoy the rights of ownership when the doors are unlocked or unguarded.

  3. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 27th, 2013 @ 9:32 pm

    I am all for deporting immigrants that have been convicted of an actual crime.

  4. sablegsd
    January 27th, 2013 @ 9:37 pm

    Why? Because the politicians say so?

    OPERATION WETBACK!

  5. CPAguy
    January 27th, 2013 @ 10:10 pm

    I don’t have a problem with a legal non-citizen status with a retroactive date of say…a year from implementation.

    But a path to citizenship isn’t fair to those who do the right thing.

  6. Physics Geek
    January 27th, 2013 @ 10:54 pm

    More than anything, the fact that the GOP foisted this douchebag onto us as its nominee should be proof that the party is no longer worth saving.

  7. andycanuck
    January 28th, 2013 @ 12:04 am

    And Compton’s blacks probably disagree with that “peaceful” opinion not to mention the clearly ass-pulled 99% statistic.

  8. Shawny Lee
    January 28th, 2013 @ 12:33 am

    That’s an excellent point, the reason being the oath taken by those who serve in the military. The same as the oath taken for citizenship, a willingness to integrate into the American culture, show loyalty and allegience and a regard for the laws therein even if you don’t always agree with them. Amnesty makes no provision for that.

  9. Shawny Lee
    January 28th, 2013 @ 12:57 am

    Why in the world should our tax dollars be wasted deporting thousands of illegal immigrants who should not be here rather than controlling the border to begin with so that the way to citizenship is within the law and we know who is entering our country? We should not be rewarding, nor making a protected entitlement class of those who have disobeyed our laws to get here. If a majority of Americans agreed with you then the laws would already have been changed.

  10. Shawny Lee
    January 28th, 2013 @ 1:07 am

    By your argument, the Sandy Hook killer was ok getting into the school that was supposed to stop anyone unauthorized from getting in……until he committed the actual murders. Maybe you wanna ask what the victims of those “actual” crimes think about your rationale.

  11. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    January 28th, 2013 @ 1:11 am
  12. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    January 28th, 2013 @ 1:13 am

    Get your head out of your ass Lightwave. Seriously, never going to happen. At least not mass physical deportation. Self deportations? Maybe.

  13. Shawny Lee
    January 28th, 2013 @ 1:24 am

    Oh yes, amnesty, entitlements and legal protection for illegals and indefinite detention for citizens, no legal rights, no sanctuary or amnesty. The time to retire was before he introduced NDAA. He’s not just a politically expedient RINO, he’s a domestic threat to law abiding Americans.

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  15. FOAF
    January 28th, 2013 @ 3:13 am

    If you crossed the border illegally, you committed an actual crime. Do you know the meaning of the word “illegal”?

  16. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 28th, 2013 @ 3:37 am

    If I crossed the border illegally who did I harm?

  17. Quartermaster
    January 28th, 2013 @ 6:32 am

    The fact an illegal immigrant makes him/herself a criminal simply by the act of illegal entry is enough for deportation. And, no, I don’t blame an illegal for running from teh scene of an accident. It’s just one more crime and they might succeed in evading responsibility for their actions.

    The illegals that are *can* be deported. All it takes is will to enforce the law. Both parties have perverse incentives not to do so. As a result, the rule of law suffers across the board, and anyone that believes there is no fallout outside teh issue of immigration is fooling themselves.

    Thane, you are defending lawlessness and that is indefensible.

  18. Quartermaster
    January 28th, 2013 @ 7:52 am

    I was just pointing out that most Filipinos went home. Witha US Navy retirement they could go home and live quite well and the navy had installations there so they could get the bennies of retirement and live in a cheap 3rd world economy. It was not a criticism of anything anyone said, just remarking a fact.

  19. Quartermaster
    January 28th, 2013 @ 7:54 am

    I can’t agree. The base problem is immigration. We have a problem of letting in too many, period. With the leftsists celebrating and setting the stage for teh salad bowl instead of the melting pot, you get a balkanized population. The wind has been sown, and we will soon be reaping the whirlwind.
    As Neptunus Lex used to say “It is to weep.”

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  22. Wombat_socho
    January 28th, 2013 @ 8:43 am

    Try this argument at Luke AFB or some other military installation and let me know how it works out for you. No collect calls.

  23. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    January 28th, 2013 @ 8:53 am
  24. Bob Belvedere
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:16 am

    Ain’t ‘mendacity’ a great word?

  25. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:27 am

    Raddatz — she’s the one who covered for Menendez’ pedophilia, isn’t she?

    Nice company McCain keeps.

  26. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:28 am

    “A far better idea is to examine and document those who wish to live and work here and identify and reject those who can be identified as criminal.”

    Unless they crossed the border legally and returned when their visa expired, they’re all criminals.

  27. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:29 am

    What makes you think people who decided to break a fundamental law like immigration will obey ANY laws?

    And your gardener wouldn’t be deported for being born in Mexico. He’d be deported for not obeying our laws.

  28. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:30 am

    Criminal gardeners.

    Why don’t you hire a needy citizen or legal resident instead of a criminal?

  29. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:31 am

    “Thane”, you’re a no-information voter, aren’t you?

  30. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:32 am

    Well, then, who needs ANY laws?

  31. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:33 am

    What makes your gardener superior to me? Why do I have to obey the laws and he doesn’t?

  32. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:33 am

    An actual crime like illegal immigration.

  33. Rob Crawford
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:35 am

    Who did you harm?

    All the people who want to obey the law and do the right thing.

    All the US citizens you’re going to undercut for a job.

    All the taxpayers who are going to have to support your criminal behind.

    All the people who think the rule of law and equality before the law are more important than cheap landscaping.

  34. Finrod Felagund
    January 28th, 2013 @ 10:44 am

    Amen to that.

  35. Finrod Felagund
    January 28th, 2013 @ 10:48 am

    C’mon, the only people that use ‘gay’ as a pejorative are clueless gits under the age of 30.

  36. DaveO
    January 28th, 2013 @ 11:13 am

    Senator McCain was elected using his father-in-law’s money, and is tightly tied to corporate interests. His support of amnesty can only be construed as fresh blood for indentured labor at slave wages to increase the profit margin for his corporate investors, at the expense of native-born American citizens and legal immigrants.

    For Rubio, this is about getting more Cubans away from Cuba. Recall Clinton’s close ties to the Castros, which Bush-43 didn’t repudiate, and Obama has made closer – Cubans who escaped were returned to Cuba to face punishment. Amnesty and immigration reform increases Rubio’s personal political base.

  37. Bob Belvedere
    January 28th, 2013 @ 11:21 am

    Besides…as far as Stacy’s cousin is concerned, the conservatives are just Hobbits.

  38. richard mcenroe
    January 28th, 2013 @ 11:28 am

    He likes them better than your points, obviously.

  39. SDN
    January 28th, 2013 @ 2:19 pm

    We’ve already seen self-deportation. No jobs, no benefits, self deportation.

  40. Jonathan
    January 28th, 2013 @ 3:59 pm

    The GOP doesn’t get it. Even with this amnesty bill – and that’s exactly
    what it is – the Hispanics will still not vote Democrat. They do not
    care for Republican “values”, or whatever is left of them anyway. It’s
    hilarious to hear McCain suggest that the Hispanic vote “should be
    ours”. LOL!

    They DONT CARE about conservative social values; when can you fit that through your head?

  41. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 28th, 2013 @ 6:42 pm

    The US-Mexico border is not the border of Luke AFB. It harms me not if 95 Mexican nationals cross from Nogales, Mexico to Nogales, Arizona. Right not the system allows 100 people who are never seen by US border agents to cross (so long as they do it 10 miles down the road in the middle of the desert). I want a system where those who have no criminal history to cross over at the border and those who are the real problem immigrants (that neither you, nor I nor RSM desire in the US) to be the only people crossing over the desert.

  42. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 28th, 2013 @ 6:44 pm

    What if I want to do both? If I am not paying for a dozen paper pushing government employees (who play dress up as Border protection agents) then I might have the ability to do so.

  43. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 28th, 2013 @ 6:45 pm

    Making criminals out of people who have no inherent inclination to be a criminal is a poor policy.

  44. Becca Lower
    January 28th, 2013 @ 6:48 pm

    [Insert clever LOTR joke here.]

  45. Thane_Eichenauer
    January 28th, 2013 @ 6:48 pm

    There is a cost to enforcing laws. Some laws you and I will agree should be enforced. Some laws are a waste of time and money. The current system enforces laws that benefit few and are readily floutable. Make it possible for people to obey the law and respond to market opportunities and you have a good system.

  46. Patrick McGuinness
    January 28th, 2013 @ 8:59 pm

    Massive debt problems? What the Federal budget needs is spending cuts, what it gets is MORE COWBELL.

    ObamaCare + Amnesty = bankruptcy.

  47. Patrick McGuinness
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:03 pm

    If we decide that our economy suffers from a lack of tamale makers, we could add a visa for that, but lets be clear why we need the border policed – so people dont BREAK THE LAW. one lawbreaker doesnt matter, but 20 million … well, it prevents the very system you advocate from working.

    “Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence. [T]hose who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave.” – Barbara Jordan and the Jordan Commission on immigration

  48. Patrick McGuinness
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:08 pm

    “consequences of the current system which is basically one of immigration prohibition for 99% of average Mexican folks.”
    WHAT?!? You havent noticed that – contrary to the rest of American history where immigration was from many nations – we currently have an unbalanced situation where more than half of immigrants are from one country – Mexico.
    America is very generous, we allow 1 million immigrants per year. by DEFINITION allowing 1 million means the other 99.99% of human beings will not be legally admitted. That is hardly an incentive for illegal immigration, unless we offer amnesty, welfare and a path to citizenship… THEN we are rolling out the red carpet for illegal immigration.

  49. Patrick McGuinness
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:10 pm

    “It seems to me that you think that having millions of people that want
    to live in the US is a problem. I think that a country or a grocery
    store would welcome more people so long as those people were not known
    criminals.”

    You are being (deliberately?) dense. If America wanted a more generous immigration policy to allow more legal immigrants, we could do that by increasing legal immigration.

    Perhaps we should … but ANY system will require limits or it would spin out of control, and failing to enforce law makes it worse.

  50. Patrick McGuinness
    January 28th, 2013 @ 9:14 pm

    “When an illegal alien can be deported as a result of a traffic accident it hardly surprises me that some will flee the scene.”

    An excellent argument for why we should NOT be giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

    All your words are proving are that we should not have illegal aliens in our midst.
    Amnesty will create MORE illegal aliens, as the experience from the failed 1986 amnesty proves.

    “I don’t want my neighbors gardener deported because he just happened to be born in Mexico.”

    The problem is your neighbor, who hired someone who engaged in a deportable offense. Rewarding that illegal behavior will create more of it. The real solution is readily available. No amnesty, but a larger guest worker program.