The Ayatollah, Sharia and Sex

Posted on | September 9, 2010 | 36 Comments

I’ve got no idea where Moonbattery found this video — in Arabic, from a German-language TV show, with English subtitles — but its subject is too horrific to describe:

I’m guessing the two guys on this TV show are dissident Iranian exiles. They certainly don’t look like Islamophobic neocons . . .

Category: Iran, Religion, Sex

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36 Responses to “The Ayatollah, Sharia and Sex”

alan markus
September 9th, 2010 @ 11:21 am

“Temporary marriage” term for “one-night stand”? I never knew that! No wonder Americans are such decadent people – having one-night stands instead of temporary marriages. By the way, I’m not referring to the underage temporary marriages – ugh!
yarrrr
September 9th, 2010 @ 12:19 pm

Check this out… Nikki Haley’s opponent just came out with his first ad… see if you catch what I caught….

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/09/haley-linked-to-sanford-in-new-ad/

“I stood up against Mark Sanford. Nikki Haley says she wants to follow in his footsteps. I say this time, we need a governor we can trust.”

I’m surprised he didn’t switch “follow” with “hiking”…
Mary Rose
September 9th, 2010 @ 12:26 pm

I recently watched “The Stoning of Soroya M.” Brutal and evil. Until Islam rids itself of such horrifying “traditions” such as this one, they will never be viewed as a legitimate religion in the eyes of the world. I don’t care if penetration did not occur. He totally traumatized a little girl.
Joe
September 9th, 2010 @ 12:47 pm

There is a perverse sexuality in Islam that is…well perverse. Going back to a 54 year old Mohammed having sex with a nine year old Aisha. I am no fan of Khomeini (to say the least). But from what I read of the guy, he was committed to his wife for his marriage.

So one statement alone seems rather thin for making Khomeini out to be a pedophile. But is it possible? Sure. Is it probable? Not with this alone.
waylay
September 9th, 2010 @ 3:10 pm

Joe writes:

There is a perverse sexuality in Islam that is…well perverse. Going back to a 54 year old Mohammed having sex with a nine year old Aisha.

There are cultural practices, there is law, there are rules of the land, then, there are ethics… and, there are human feelings of compassion, empathy, kindness and the intrinsic feeling of right and wrong…

Does a forty years old man really need “laws” and “rules” and different customs to understand that it is not right to have sex with a nine year old girl??? The outrage!

A psychologically intact adult knows that sex is an adult activity — sexual attraction to children is a type of mental illness imo.

Even on the most basic “animal” level, the requisite sensory cues are simply not there — when humans are healthy, they are “wired” to protect and nurture children, not to use them as gratification appliances, isn’t it?

Someone who has never read any scholarly biographical history of Mohammad could read this and assume that what is described above is an accurate historical depiction of the relationship between Mohammad and his child bride.

What they wouldn’t know is that Aisha, the wife married at a very early age, would never have considered herself as an “appliance” for the Prophet’s gratification.

All reliable accounts suggest an entirely different kind of relationship.

She is fondly referred to by many Muslims as the “Mother of Believers”.

Considered to be the favorite wife of Mohammad (after Khadija’s passing — who was truly a partner to him in every way), Aisha was one of the first Muslim scholars responsible for the earliest historical narrations of the Prophet’s life and teachings.

She was clearly devoted to him, and he to her.

There is nothing whatsoever to be found in any historical account to even remotely suggest that she displayed any evidence at all off of being the victim of a mentally ill sociopath.

Before Mohammad become ‘the Prophet’ he was considered a man of the highest integrity, whose judgment and advice was often sought.

He was so well respected he was entrusted at a surprisingly young age by his first wife (that’s how they met) to conduct business on her behalf. (Custom forbid a woman do it, and as a wealthy woman, she had to find the ‘truest’ man around.)

But this information is not very sexy, I know.

And it doesn’t help to promote further prejudice and hostility based on half-truths and misinformation.

But then these historical accounts of anyone are mostly imagination and that far back, it’s all imagination. To his admirers, Mohammad’s a saint, to his critics, he’s a moron, and who but those who live in their own imagination, today, could possibly care one way or the other?

Islam and Christianity are the Walmart and the KMart of religion, we’ll just have to wait and see which one goes bankrupt the quickest. Until then, we all take from their stories what we will, hopefully what is actually useful in a constructive way.
waylay
September 9th, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

The questions remains though, would it make it “ok” for a forty old man to have sex with a nine year old girl?

In my mind, I’m imagining that Aisha lived as a daughter until she was 18……then, she was crushed by the realization that her only chance of a mate was not some beautiful 18 year old, but was just a busy old man. But I’m sure your mind shows you another story and Joe’s another story yet: I’m sure that a violent delusional randy old goat like Mohammad didn’t have a problem with pedophilia and probably had sex with her straight away as inshallah…

However, when one looks at a human being who is a founder/wayshower, followed by billions, one has to look at it in the context of his/her time. And then one has to draw parallels to the time from which one is looking.

Jesus was smart, or his successors were. His personal sexual habits were left undisclosed or closely guarded. However, look at the stench created by some movies, a la The Last Temptation of Christ, Easter chocolate Jesus, and the Davinci Code… Rattles a lot of cages… wouldn’t you say?

And Buddha, I mean what type of man leaves his wife and child behind in pursuit of NOTHING? Think about that…in today’s society, that alone would bode badly. HA!

But that’s just me thinking out loud.
waylay
September 9th, 2010 @ 3:43 pm

It boils down to this: Alphas love to dominate, and human alphas need rules to do so. A great seer of God, an avatar needs rules to impose his view. Has ever been a religion without rules? Has there ever been a religion that said, This is the Truth, but you can believe whatever you want, and do as you see fit? Of course not.

The vision of the prophet becomes secondary to the rules that help the alphas dominate the group. The pecking order of the pack is what all religions are designed to serve, God is just the golden carrot at the end of the stick.

I see Mohammad as a very busy man with mucho responsibilities having to make things work for a great number of people and obsessed with alliances and warfare, this mind-set in-forms his sexuality into fucking practical and very useful, for pregnancy, male heirs, he doesn’t have the sexuality of a decadence, idle roman and a young girl is not remotely interesting.

I’m sure though Joe would agree, Mohammad was obviously a delusional pedophile violent fraud even in his book of fairy tales!
Joe
September 9th, 2010 @ 3:47 pm

waylay, you have your head in your butt again.

Why? Becuase I just defended Khomeini, who I do not the least bit care for, from the suggestion he raped a four year old. But I also mentioned the historical fact that 54 year old Mohammed consumated his marriage to Aisha when she was 9. Now I suspect that age disparity was unusal even in 7th century Arabia. And I recognize that the basis of the marriage was probably to cement tribal ties. And her age was also focused on to show she was a virgin, because all of Mohammed’s prior wives were not virgins before they married him.

But Mohammed was one of those guys who loved having sex with a nine year old and kept having sex with her all the time until she was eighteen (when he died). That fact is also repeated in the Haddiths.

But here is the rub. Strick Sharia followers still say, today, well if Mohammed had sex with Aisha at age nine, then it is okay for older men to marry girls nine years old. Now when rouge Mormons do that, the media is in an uproar (even though the “child brides” are often 16 or so). The LDS Church is in an uproar over it too. When rouge Catholic Priests abuse teenage boys, again the public is outraged (and rightly so). The Vatican and the Church is embarassed by not acting more forcefully and sooner (and again rightly so). Virtually everywhere in the Western world such a practice would be considered pedophilia today (criminally).

Yet Fundamentalist Islam would probably freak out about an Alyssa Milano picture on the internet showing too much cleavage, but it perfectly okay with a 54 year old (or older) man marrying a nine year old. There is a weird sense that provided we do not see it, and it is cloaked in “marriage”, anything goes. That seems perverse to me.

But if you are okay with it, well that is how you swing.
waylay
September 9th, 2010 @ 3:54 pm

All we’re hearing, is ‘stories’, for one thing. No matter who wrote, or how convincing a read, one has to be extremely careful, ‘there’. So easy is it, for false impressions, to be put across, … made. I’ve seen a couple of TV documentaries , that if i hadn’t had more knowledge than i had, would have swayed me to their false opinion/conclusions.

Was of help though — benefit. Seeing how easy the mind is swayed, … how people, all so easily accept things, and even condemn, without any real examination. I’m much much slower, to rush in and do any of that, these days.

And we have no idea, have we? Like I pointed out, a completely different time.. different place, too. I’m not sure about Aisha’s age of ‘9 yrs’, .. but at that time… maybe even today?

Much younger ages, were seen as acceptable — the norm, in particular cultures, than most of us here, i imagine would be comfortable with. And on that note, well maybe on that wedding night..

Mohammad didn’t want to touch his young wife — maybe she was begging him! And maybe just before they’d walked down the isle (so to speak)… he’d turned — told her brother “hey, don’t worry man, …nothing physical is going to take place for a good 9 years, i assure you.”

“WHAT!?.., you wait till pappa hears of this!.., he’ll have ya bleedin’ head off!” He might have replied — SHOUTED!

Two hours later..

Papa’s standing guard outside bridle tent — with sword in hand! Enquiring not too softly, “have ya done it yet!??”

“Consummated now???”

The man might have been frightened for his life! Anything could’ve happened!

Maybe they never even did it — made out they had, so folks wouldn’t deem them strange…

PS. If you are really interested to know more about Aisha’s marriage see this blogpost and discussion: How old was Aïcha …When she married the prophet Mohammed
waylay
September 9th, 2010 @ 4:04 pm

Joe writes “That fact is also repeated in the Haddiths.”

I find this an interesting topic, not because of what happened in the past, but because of the implications today. Personally I don’t care so much about her exact age, but I do care about small children of six or seven years old who are being sold off to old lecherous creeps in the name of Islam: ”because Mohammed married a seven year old girl it’s ok”.

Also for the Islamophobes, the childmarriage of Aïscha is a godsend to be used as a justification for calling Islam a backward evil religion. (childmarriage is also practised in other cultures and believes, including America, but that’s another post)

I am quite sick of the comment ”Mohammed married Aïscha at 6 years old, so all geriatric old geezers can marry 6 year old girls” I’m sick of hearing it! and anyway, there is no real proof Aïscha was really so very young, and there are a lot of calculations which make her much older.
I’ve put them down here.

The several hadith concerning Aïscha’s age do not agree on her age, and the narrators even contradict themselves. So why give preference to the single one which gives a ridiculous young age for Aïcha at the time of her marriage?

We can look at some historical events and compare them. […]

The conclusion:

I believe Aïscha was ”adult” when she married Mohammed. For purely logical reasons. I do not believe and intelligent caring and responsible man like her father Abu Bakr was reported to be, would marry off a toddler, and I do not believe that a man of such an outstanding high moral character as Mohammed, would want to marry a small child. Aïsha’s age is not certain, therefore cannot be used either as justification for childmarriage, nor for branding Islam, or the prophet Mohammed as evil and pedophile.

http://tinyurl.com/23kukmd
waylay
September 9th, 2010 @ 4:11 pm

@Joe

I’m not sure that a practice of pointing fingers at people, saying “ain’t they awful” does much good to anyone.

(Remember the Puritans?)

Seeing the darker habits of others (especially those we have strong feelings against) as reflections of a deeper, inward struggle inherent in all of us collectively can be not only illuminating, but can serve to help us find common ground.

Cultural trends rely on a complex interaction between ideals, taboos, and law. Ideals and taboos are personal but when they are instilled into enough people, they become part of the culture.

To talk about ideals (those things that seem to an individual to be perfectly beautiful) is to promote taboos(things personally seen as too ugly to do or be, SO bad, it needs no law to keep us from wanting to do it) right along with the ideal, just as to point the finger at something that seems ugly will promote an ideal right along with a taboo. The two, speaking of ideals and speaking of ugliness, are one and the same.

Law is neither a restriction of taboo nor an enforcement of ideal, is made to keep order in a society but, being very complex itself, will have the effect, intended or not, in promoting ideals and taboos.

There are few laws that I vote in favor of even if they are created to inhibit one of my taboos because law has unintended peripheral effects which are just as likely to infringe upon my personal feelings of beauty.

It’s all personal and as many people have it as they have eyes and ears, and the personal spreads like an idea vine because we are also naturally connected in thought to all others…if an idea becomes too strong, it chokes out others, if it’s too weak, it dies. There is no getting rid of it, it just is what it is.

Even to tell someone else not to be the critic of a thing is the same as being the critic of a thing so don’t be afraid to pull a few weeds along with planting a few seeds.
Red
September 9th, 2010 @ 4:47 pm

Quit monopolizing the comments and just email your debate.
Joe
September 9th, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

I should learn to not respond to waylay/gg/young4eyes.
Bob Belvedere
September 9th, 2010 @ 8:08 pm

Joe, I’m begging you and all the others who engage waylay, GIGO, and any troll: PLEASE STOP. It’s getting rather unpleasant to visit here.
Randy Rager
September 9th, 2010 @ 10:03 pm

Crap on a crutch.

I’ve never seen anyone waste more words being more wrong than waylay.
Bunni
September 10th, 2010 @ 12:51 am

Why do we keep appeasing these monsters? Islam is a psycho ideology pretending to be a “religion”.
PS: I agree with Bob B. Engaging trolls only feeds them, ignore them is the best bet, I’ve fun, not withstanding the fun factor.
waylay
September 10th, 2010 @ 1:50 am

That was an excellent troll you posted Bunni, i fell for it. You guys keep feeding each other though.
SchoolBoardLady
September 11th, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

I first heard of “temporary marriages” when I was an undergraduate student at the University of Illinois, which enrolled many Arabian and Iranian graduate students in engineering (chemical engineering mostly). These obnoxious students chased American women all over campus because they considered all American women “prostitutes”. Rather than ask the PC campus police to protect us from these “princes”, I asked my friends on the Rugby team to visit me at one of the usual locations of harassment, the student union during study hours. It worked. Four guys from the Rugby team showed up and asked our “suitors” if they had any intentions because the girls were their “sisters” and therefore the Rugby players “responsibility”…..and so on. Picture the rugby players, sweat drenched, grass and blood stains on the arms and legs–warning the “princess” that if they EVER even looked at us again, their manhood would be eliminated (other phrases used). It worked. No more overtures (offers of marriage) from the Iranian Chemical engineers, not even a glance!