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What Cynthia Said

Posted on | October 7, 2011 | 35 Comments

by Smitty

OK, I don’t necessarily agree with the presumption that BHO attains re-election:

With regard to Gov. Palin, I do hope she sets her sights on running for president in 2016 to succeed Obama. When Gov. Palin spoke on Sept. 3 to a Tea Party audience in Indianola, Iowa, she laid out the most positive and practical path for restoring America to prosperity of any of the candidates. She has the ability to make people believe in themselves and their ability to overcome their greatest challenges, which is not only required for a nation to prosper but also is the most powerful cure for the pathological desire to depend on the government to solve every problem. If she does what she has to do to overcome the objections that establishment Republicans had to her candidacy this time around, she is exactly the person most capable of cleaning up the mess that Obama will leave.

However, the potential for BHO to retain power should be used freely to nudge the slackers into participation.


35 Responses to “What Cynthia Said”

  1. Joe
    October 7th, 2011 @ 12:32 pm

    Sarah would have had to win the nomination to face Obama. But I accept her reasons for not running are not based on just her prevailing in the general election.

  2. The Wondering Jew
    October 7th, 2011 @ 12:46 pm

    I like Palin– I really do– always have.   But if she wants the top job she  has to show a thicker skin and a greater command of policy than she has shown to this point.

    One of the problems we are running into with GOP candidates is that a lot of them have good solid principles, but they don’t have the sort of understanding of exactly how the nasty federal leviathan they want to take over actually works and operates. That’s why the liberals have beaten us into the ground for the last fifty years with regulations and new bureaucracies slipped quietly into bills  If you can’t understand your enemy, you can’t hope to defeat him.

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  4. Kitty Myers
    October 7th, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

    I hope Sarah Palin challenges McRomney in 2016 should he win next year.

  5. ThePaganTemple
    October 7th, 2011 @ 1:43 pm

    If an incumbent is in so bad shape that a challenger can usurp his position in the primaries, the party is going to be in too bad shape to win the general election, regardless of who the challenger is. I would rather Obama go ahead and win again and Sarah take the nomination clean as to see that happen.

  6. Dave
    October 7th, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

    This is my biggest worry about Herman Cain.  You just can’t walk into the WH and start  reorganizing the way a CEO would at a corporation. I suspect it’ll take Cain a bit of time to get up to speed with this.

  7. Anonymous
    October 7th, 2011 @ 2:46 pm

    That’s THE problem with Cain, he doesn’t want to eviscerate the federal government in general and the destroy any of the Departments or agencies. The only sure way to reduce regulations is to eliminate regulators and repeal the laws that created them. It’s OK to throw out the baby with the bathwater if the baby is the Spawn of Satan.

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  9. Anonymous
    October 7th, 2011 @ 3:52 pm

    She did it successfully in Alaska. Against Governor Murkowski.

    For that scenario to be replayed though, it’s gonna’ be a looooonnnngggg five years …

  10. alwaysfiredup
    October 7th, 2011 @ 3:54 pm

    Given the quantity and volume of crap thrown at her and her family these days, I’d wager her skin is thicker than any of the other 2012 participants.  And her FB notes have produced some very good policy statements, again on par with other 2012 participants.  I’ve always thought these critiques to be really off-base.

    I would like to see her move from FB to MSM op-eds and leave the confines of the Fox studio for some tougher interviewers, but at least she now has time to develop those outlets without the strain (and spin) of a presidential campaign.

  11. Anonymous
    October 7th, 2011 @ 4:17 pm

    I don’t think 2016 works well for Palin. If she wants to run for president and be taken seriously at some point — and I think she does — then she needs to get back into office. If she’s not running for anything in 2012, that means 2014, and a 2014 senate / gov run would make timing very tricky for 2016. A cabinet spot might work for that too, but pretty much closes out running until 2020 as well.

  12. ThePaganTemple
    October 7th, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

    It’s one thing for it to happen at a state level, but something else again for it to happen at the national level. I might be wrong, but I don’t think that’s ever happened.

  13. ThePaganTemple
    October 7th, 2011 @ 4:31 pm

    Of course, seeing as how she is a lady, she could always change her mind about this year if it turns out to be as big a mess as I think it might.

  14. Anonymous
    October 7th, 2011 @ 6:00 pm

    You see, we’re not interesting in “defeating” them. We want to destroy them. I don’t care how the leviathan works; I just care that we kill it.

  15. The Wondering Jew
    October 7th, 2011 @ 6:54 pm

    Agreed Dave and Adobe_Walls.  Cain’s lack of experience here will hurt him and I want to see that he has really studied up.  I’m not fully convinced of that based on what I have seen thus far. He’s got good ideas and excellent executive experience, but greater knowledge of issues and of the way the government and D.C. works is necessary if you want to fundamentally change things around.

  16. Zooropa
    October 7th, 2011 @ 7:58 pm

    Her FB postings are meaningless because there is no proof that she actually wrote them.  Yes, her name is on them so they indicate her viewpoint but without absolute validation that she alone penned them, the media can continue to push the ‘stupid’ meme.  The only way she could counter that is by doing well in debates and by doing the tougher interviews you mention.  The fact that she has done neither is troubling.  Bus tours can only do so much.  Sooner or later undecided voters are going to want to see her show that she can articulate and argue her viewpoint clearly. 

    In 2016 (if there is not a Republican incumbent in the White House) there will be several candidates ready to step up – Marco Rubio, Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Chris Christie, Nikki Haley to name a few.  There will be no need for Palin.  Her time was this year and the fact is that she didn’t do what she needed to do to make herself a viable candidate. 

  17. alwaysfiredup
    October 7th, 2011 @ 8:24 pm

    You’re still trying to treat her like a candidate.  What the media think and what undecided voters think is completely irrelevant right now.  She isn’t running.  There is no need to persuade anyone of anything now.   Whether could have been a viable candidate in 2012 does not matter because SHE IS NOT ONE.  Allow her authorship of her own Facebook page like you would anyone else and just move on. 

    It certainly appears it will be tougher for those with terminal cases of PDS to get over her not running than it will be for the Palinistas.  

  18. alwaysfiredup
    October 7th, 2011 @ 8:26 pm

    Life is long and with infinite possibilities.  Folks need to stop obsessing over how Palin could not possibly ever have any effect on anything in the future.  It’s meaningless, immeasurable and one wonders why you care so much.

  19. Tom Callow
    October 7th, 2011 @ 8:28 pm

    Thicker skin, hmm.
    Do your parents have to sleep with guns at the ready due to threats on their very existence?
    Does your kid get accosted by strangers in public yelling at them that your wife is a WHORE, the DEVIL, that she shoud DIE ?
    Did you ever have a cabal of 400 so called new reporters and journalists come together to spin memes every day to drag your fine name and reputation down in the eyes of the world?
    Did you have so called advisors that come out with books that insinuate something about your sanity and have those advisors be welcomed with open arms by public media?
    Did you ever have to sue a major publishing company  for libel? or threaten to do so ?

    As for policy you do not come across as  having not read her facebook posts, or listened to any of her longer than 15 minute speeches or any of the question and answer sessions she has done after some speeches.
    Or do you just disagree with her policy positions? If that is it, just say so, but you seem to be confusing or conflating the person with the positions, and that is someone that the main stream does way too often to not get called out on.
    Yes, liberals have spent 80 years making the field theirs, that is why it needs NUKED and restored to its origins, rather than we play their own game better.
    What does that make us, better liberals if we play that way?
    I will have to think about that position

    thanks for listening
    Tom Callow

  20. Anonymous
    October 7th, 2011 @ 8:37 pm

    umm… because when she first appeared on the national scene I rather liked her, and there’s no politician in America who’s even remotely close to as effective at exciting conservatives? I don’t want to see that talent largely wasted on the sidelines.

  21. Cynthia Yockey
    October 7th, 2011 @ 8:51 pm

    Smitty, happy birthday! Thank you for quoting my post. For your other commenters, I just want to add that I also quoted Allahpundit suggesting that Gov. Palin challenge Begich for Senate in Alaska in 2014 as part of her path to the presidency in the future. As a party, the mistake Republicans are making that will cost us the election is that it looks like we’re on track to nominate a social conservative when the need of the time is for a fiscal conservative. Voters are not going to swap State-as-Santa-Claus totalitarianism for Church Lady totalitarianism.

  22. Zooropa
    October 7th, 2011 @ 8:56 pm

    I’ve never treated her as a candidate because I never saw her taking the necessary steps I outlined above that were required for her to be a viable candidate.  Her fan club members, on the other hand, have been treating her as a candidate all along and have had their heads burrowed deep in the sand as they refused to accept the obvious fact that she was not running until the words came from her mouth. 

    You are the one saying that you would like her to start doing tougher interviews and start expanding her writing beyond Facebook (and for the record I do think she is writing her own posts although she may have someone proof-reading them before posting).  For what purpose would she need to start doing those things now other than for preparation for a 2016 run?  No, you’re the one still treating her as a candidate.

  23. Zooropa
    October 7th, 2011 @ 9:04 pm

    How exactly is it obsessive for ‘drothgery’ to suggest that she run for Senate or take a cabinet position in a Republican administration?  If she is interested in continuing her political career (and she may not be) then these are certainly good options for her to remain effective on the national scene.  

  24. Garym
    October 7th, 2011 @ 10:41 pm

    Very nice reply.

  25. Tennwriter
    October 7th, 2011 @ 11:00 pm

    You’re certainly right we’re not going to swap for Church Lady totalitarianism…..

    Good thing thats not on offer.

    And when you say how we need fiscons and not socons you ignore two facts.
    1. Socons are almost always fiscons as well.
    2. Pure fiscons tend to be like the Governator. Useless. Spines of wet noodle. Muscles composed of hot air balloons under their shirts.

    And a third fact…
    3. Solib policies lead to fiscally liberal policies.

    And a fourth fact…
    4. Socons were more popular than Republicanism in California.

    And a fifth fact…
    5. Way more Socons than Libertarians. We could dump the doctrinaire Libertarians in a hole for election week, and probably end up with a larger win as their small number would be more than compensated for by their lack of divisiveness causing down in the hole.

    You basically have a choice….Do you want to let a bunch of mostly Christians run things and have freedom and prosperity, or do you want Maximum Stinkage? It comes down to what do you hate the most, Christians or Statism? 

    So let’s talk about something else. 

  26. Anonymous
    October 7th, 2011 @ 11:03 pm

    Don’t care how we kill it either, tho I must confess I hope it suffers.

  27. Cynthia Yockey
    October 7th, 2011 @ 11:32 pm

    My observation has been that the social conservative/fiscal conservative is practically as mythical as a unicorn. Socons are only fiscons when they are out of power and want to appear prudent so they can stop their enemies from spending money. Then when they are in power, their own pet projects are so worthy that they spend freely.

    Probably only people with no power, such as bloggers and political commentators, can pose as simultaneous socon/fiscons. Even then, the only agenda a socon pursues with real zeal is the socon agenda and all other priorities are pushed endlessly into the future until they are satisfied their social agenda has been imposed through the coercive powers of government — which is as an anti-liberty an agenda as that of socialism, if not more so.

    The bottom line is that the truly passionate socon in practice is a fiscal liberal and social totalitarian. I think there would be a stampede out of the Left and into conservatism if more people understood that they don’t have to surrender their autonomy to someone else’s religion in order to embrace fiscal conservatism.

  28. alwaysfiredup
    October 7th, 2011 @ 11:37 pm

    Actually I want her to do op-eds and more public interviews because I want her ideas to be spread around.  They are good, solid, common-sense things that can broaden the party’s reach to disaffected Democrats.  None of the other 2012ers except maybe Gingrich can strike that kind of chord.  I doubt she will run for anything anytime soon.

  29. alwaysfiredup
    October 7th, 2011 @ 11:38 pm

    Sorry.  Suggesting that no one takes her seriously was a clue you weren’t much of a fan.  I misread.

  30. alwaysfiredup
    October 7th, 2011 @ 11:41 pm

    SoCons may be fiscal cons, but fiscal cons are often not social cons.  There is not majority support in this country for a fire-breathing social conservative president.  Palin was viable because (despite popular opinion based on SNL and Andy Sullivan) she was not one.  There is majority support in this country for a solid fiscal conservative who does not emphasize or campaign on social issues.  I am not certain we have any of those in the race.

  31. ThePaganTemple
    October 8th, 2011 @ 7:57 am

    SoCons aren’t always fiscal cons, at least not consistently. Look at Mike Huckabee.

  32. Quartermaster
    October 8th, 2011 @ 5:40 pm

    It really isn’t necessary to understand how Leviathan works. All you need is a copy of the US Constitution and an ax. If it ain’t in the enumerated powers, the ax swings. Period.

    Frankly, your reason is “reason” to refuse to vote for almost anyone for Prez unless they’d already served. I can’t think of a one I’d want back, and that includes Reagan.

  33. Tennwriter
    October 8th, 2011 @ 10:26 pm

    One suspects your worldview strongly affects what you see.  It does to all of us, but its a problem to be guarded against.

    Pretty much every serious fiscon in Congress is a socon is what I hear.

    Now you may argue that those are not serious….but I’d say the same about their socon endeavours.  We do have a definite lack of pols that actually want to vote for ordered liberty.

    Ah, now you can read my mind. Congratulations. I’m not serious about cutting the budget because I also want to stop abortions.  How about we shut down the federal science grant projects?  I’d like that, but that’s probably too hard core libertarian for you.

    Are you even willing to defund Planned Parenthood or are you just posing as a fiscon?

    And there we have it. Marriage, property rights, build a border fence, imprison murdering scum, freedom of religion, saving the unborn from being slaughtered, usury laws, and telling people they have to be at least 21 before they can get drunk as a skunk….More Evil than Socialists!  More evil than mass murdering pschyos who killed 200 million folk in the last century.

    Please, don’t hold back. Tell us what you really think.

    Last para. Bzzzzz. I exist, therefore you’re wrong. And two, solib policies lead to fiscally liberal policies.  And no, there is no raging pent up demand for libertarianism.

    Always FiredUp,
    1. Correct first sentence.
    2. Incorrect second sentence.  There is a sixty percent victory out there for a Happy Warrior full-blooded conservative.  Gotta be able to smile and joke.
    3. Your third sentence is interestting.  I agree that Palin was a centrist.  But your theses disagree with each other.  She’s seen as a Socon Firebreather and is popular, but Socon Firebreathers can’t win.
    4. First thing to do is get your base enthused.  They then provide air cover against the MSM, and enthuse the middle.  You do not aim for the majority at the start.
    5. Which is one reason to hope for a solid socon.  If a person is sincerely willing to stick the thumb in the Left’s eye as to be a Socon, then the lesser insult of being a fiscon is not that big of a deal to them.

    I  did not say ‘always’, and yes, there are problems. I do not say socons are perfect.  But I think that even if you got someone somewhat problematical, you could probably bind them with promises the way Giuliani was willing to do with SCOTUS.

    And I for one, would have been willing to accept his word that he would appoint strict constructionists.

    But Socon does tend to equal True Con.

    And for AFUp’s understanding, I would like to point out what you said about Cain and the Muslim issue.  How you wished he had responded with ‘did I stutter?’ than an apology.  More firebreathing on a SoCon/Hawk issue seems to be what you want.  I agree.

  34. ThePaganTemple
    October 8th, 2011 @ 10:54 pm

    Psssst-don’t let his name throw you off. He’s a Paul supporter too.

  35. ThePaganTemple
    October 8th, 2011 @ 11:04 pm

    I agree, but in some cases you have to do it gradually, not overnight. The best way to do it in the case of reductions is to hire half as many or less replacements as you fire and/or retire. In the case of the completely closure of agencies, its best to transfer the employees to other areas. If they refuse the transfer, then you just let them go. Then you set a target of five to seven years to achieve your goal of a ten percent, twenty percent, or whatever reduction. Don’t count on getting any more than that, and be damn thankful if you get that much. The most important things by far is slashing regulations and getting taxes low and keeping them there in order to spur economic growth, and because its just the right thing to do.

    Public sector employees unions are something else that need to be reined in, and I would favor a constitutional amendment to do so if necessary.