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The Gang of Eight Liars

Posted on | June 13, 2013 | 48 Comments

Everything you need to know about the so-called “Gang of 8” Senate immigration bill is this: Obama supports it.

If this bill was good for America, Obama would be against it.

If this was a bill that any conservative could honestly support, Harry Reid would have killed it in committee and Chuck Schumer would not be begging people to support it, and the fact that 30 Republicans voted for cloture is profoundly disturbing.

Supporters of the Senate bill are lying, because if they told the truth about it, there would be a firestorm of outrage. And because we know that they are lying about it,  as Michelle Malkin explains, it’s important not to listen to what they say, but to watch what they do:

The official White House operating policy is: No illegal alien left behind. “Smarter enforcement” means no enforcement.
Remember: Exactly one year ago this week, the president announced he would halt all deportations and start granting work permits to an estimated 2.1 million illegal aliens who entered the country as children.
This blanket amnesty through administrative non-enforcement has been plagued by questions of fraud from the get-go.

Read the whole thing. Every word spoken or written in favor of this wretched legislative monstrosity is a lie, including any claim that it would require immigrants to learn English:

[ProEnglish Executive Director, Bob Vandervoort said:] “Contrary to what the Gang of 8 says, S. 744 has no requirement for illegal immigrants to learn English to get work permits or amnesty. They can renew their work permits indefinitely. They only have to show some knowledge of English IF they apply for green cards after 10 and a half years of residency! In the meantime, taxpayers will be paying for translations and interpreters. It’s time for the Gang of 8 to stop the lies.”
“For at least ten years and perhaps for their entire lives, this huge new group of predominantly non-English speaking, former illegal immigrants will create a huge new demand for costly government services in their native language, further exacerbating the dangerous and growing division of the United States into separate cultural and linguistic communities,” Vandervoort elaborates. “This would be an unprecedented calamity for our nation’s unity,” he said.

What part of “NO AMNESTY” is so hard to understand?

UPDATE: No intelligent person is deceived by this “bipartisanship”:

On Tuesday, the Senate voted 84-15 — with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell among 30 Republican senators voting “yes” — to bring the bill to the floor for debate. Tea Party favorite, Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, was among the GOP senators declaring support for the controversial legislation. . . .
Rubio told David Drucker of the Washington Examiner that he is working with fellow Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah to craft an amendment that would strengthen border enforcement provisions in the bill. However, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, has already signaled that he will oppose stronger enforcement.
The “Gang of Eight” bill was slammed this week by two influential conservative columnists.
If the GOP Is This Stupid, It Deserves to Die,” Ann Coulter headlined her Wednesday column, saying Republican supporters of the legislation “are devoting all their energy to slightly increasing their share of the Hispanic vote while alienating everyone else in America.” And the bill was also criticized by Michelle Malkin.
“Suicidal Republicans have supported illegal alien amnesties dating back to the Reagan era,” Malkin said in her Thursday syndicated column, which concluded: “Trust them? Hell, no. There’s only one course for citizens who believe in upholding the Constitution and protecting the American dream: Stop them.”

Read the rest at Viral Read.



48 Responses to “The Gang of Eight Liars”

  1. rockmurray1
    June 13th, 2013 @ 9:18 am

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  2. tahDeetz
    June 13th, 2013 @ 9:38 am

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  4. Bob Belvedere
    June 13th, 2013 @ 9:51 am

    This is all part of the Leftist strategy to destroy Sovereignty.

  5. rrpjr
    June 13th, 2013 @ 9:55 am

    The Republican Party couldn’t do a better job of alienating its base and strangling its chances in 2014 if it tried. All along they’ve lazily (and fearfully) assumed that disgust for Obama would motivate the base in the midterms (indeed, Romney assumed the same for himself) as they continued their dances of dissimulation and collusion with Big Government. This is what happened in 2010. But the betrayals after 2010 stung, left a mark. They learned nothing, perhaps except only to lie with greater intensity. Now they’re in the process not only of failing maybe the great opportunity for the party in a century but stirring another kind of disgust — for them.

  6. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    June 13th, 2013 @ 10:02 am

    The co-opt’ing of so many Republicans is pretty scary… And if Chuck Schumer is grinning you know this is bad.

  7. StrangernFiction
    June 13th, 2013 @ 10:05 am

    Maybe Rubio, Ryan, McCain, et al are snookering the ‘rats?

  8. robertstacymccain
    June 13th, 2013 @ 10:15 am

    Indeed, we seem to be back to 2006-08, when John McCain’s Captain Queeg crusade for amnesty did so much to destroy conservative support for the GOP.

  9. 20thCenturyVole
    June 13th, 2013 @ 10:56 am

    What did they do, ONE day of debate? Oh, real useful, not a rubber stamp or anything. Thanks, guys.


  10. Randy_Rager
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:13 am

    I think Crawford has it right: The Mexican drug gangs own enough of Congress that this thing is going to pass. Prove that one and you’ll have the scoop of the century.

  11. Old rod
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:19 am

    It must be good for America. For all intents and purposes it is the same law the Bush family advocated back in ‘02 (for the math challenged, that was 11 years ago.). While “W” has not openly supported it this year both Jeb and Karl have been vociferous in their support on all the networks and at hthe NY Times.

    Inaddition to long term support from the Bush Clan the current Speaker of the House says it will be good for AMerica! His name BTW is NOT Nancy!

  12. rrpjr
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:38 am

    What the GOP is doing now is so politically counter-intuitive it seems to me to enter the realm of pathology. Consider the circumstances: a scandal-beleagured president unlike anything in memory and perhaps history (the scope and morbidity of the corruption is already unparalleled and shows no sign of ending), Obamacare unraveling and indeed the entire premise of big government hemorrhaging before our eyes, democrats even liberals in the MSM seriously souring on Obama, more young people turning to libertarianism — and what is the GOP’s response to this Constitutional crisis and incredible political opportunity? Throw Obama (a man who’s demonstrated he would gladly cut their throats and watch them bleed) a lifeline as they embrace with a fierce bearhug that brooks no reproof another monstrous, convoluted and transparently deceptive big government bill that completely infuriates and alienates their base. This can’t be mere stupidity. Something else is going on here.

  13. gastorgrab
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:55 am

    Now, now! I don’t believe that all of them are liars.

    Some of them are only fools.

  14. richard mcenroe
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:56 am

    GOP participation in Gang of 8 DID NOT HAPPEN without McConnell/RNC consent. This is the official position of the Republican Party.

  15. gastorgrab
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:57 am

    I’d bet anything that the Senate switchboard goes offline when the vote comes up.

  16. richard mcenroe
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:57 am

    You’re assuming the DC GOP talks to anybody except other DC people. You’d be wrong.

  17. richard mcenroe
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:58 am

    No. Just no. McCain has been screwing the base on immigration for decades. Remember “just build the damn fence” in the last election? Where’s the damn fence?

  18. richard mcenroe
    June 13th, 2013 @ 11:59 am

    Foolish liars.


  19. keyboard jockey
    June 13th, 2013 @ 12:07 pm

    My response to the permanent political class in D.C. trying to shove this crap sandwich down our throats. If they liked the impressive historical 70 year seat change in November 2010, they just need to wait a year for the November 2014 election.

  20. James Knauer
    June 13th, 2013 @ 12:52 pm

    Switchboard?! AHAHAHA! Yes, it’s not still 1950-something, dear heart. I’m sure things will be just fine in digital 2013.

    Switchboard! That made my day!

  21. trangbang68
    June 13th, 2013 @ 1:14 pm

    I wish these unprincipled co-opted d**kheads would come down here to southern Arizona and see whole neighborhoods of Spanish speakers recreating the third world cesspool they come from.

  22. trangbang68
    June 13th, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

    no but he has the same genitalia

  23. Bob Belvedere
    June 13th, 2013 @ 1:22 pm

    True…but he is a [drunken] Nancy-Boy.

  24. Bob Belvedere
    June 13th, 2013 @ 1:25 pm

    Hey gang! One of our regular trolls is back!

  25. robin
    June 13th, 2013 @ 2:32 pm

    Never attribute malice to something that can be explained by stupidity, or greed. I finally understand why this bill should have died in committee. I never, ever thought The Kaus Files would teach me anything good.

  26. Richard McEnroe
    June 13th, 2013 @ 2:43 pm

    Never doubt that greedy stupid people can also be malicious .

  27. Cmate
    June 13th, 2013 @ 3:07 pm

    The NSA database at work.

  28. robin
    June 13th, 2013 @ 3:10 pm

    OK. I’ll grant you that. Lois Lehrer comes to mind.

  29. Michael Adams
    June 13th, 2013 @ 3:12 pm

    With Black unemployment in the double digits, why do we need to import more cheap labor?

    This is one of those Charlie-Brown-football moments. They promise, again, to enforce law already passed, i.e. our national borders, and some of us believe them? Enforce the border, then we’ll talk. This is simple enough for even a Republican Congress critter to understand.

  30. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    June 13th, 2013 @ 3:38 pm

    Separated at Birth: Pretty Little Liars and…? Hint: it involves some pending legislation.

  31. Adjoran
    June 13th, 2013 @ 3:44 pm

    The only explanation is that the ancient Democratic claim that “Republicans are tools of Big Business” are, in fact, true. Infusing tens of millions of new low-skill “workers” into the economy would keep labor costs down for generations – and they would be satisfied with part-time work, so employers would bear no part of their ObamaCare costs. Perhaps 30 million new people without skills or jobs would flock to our welfare, food stamps, and “free” health care.

  32. Adjoran
    June 13th, 2013 @ 3:46 pm

    Stacy, you really should learn what “cloture” is.

    Reid may well manage to invoke cloture, but there has been no vote on it yet.

  33. freddy the fixer
    June 13th, 2013 @ 4:39 pm

    Who is advising them? They must have democrat operatives planted as advisers and pollsters telling them this is fine and dandy. No way they come to their decision without a barrel full of lies being spoon-fed to them.

  34. freddy the fixer
    June 13th, 2013 @ 4:47 pm

    I think it’s more than the DC cocktail parties. Someone is telling them this will help them win elections, or prevent them from winning elections if they don’t surrender on the issue. My question is : who is advising them? Why would Marco Rubio destroy his career over this issue?

  35. freddy the fixer
    June 13th, 2013 @ 4:49 pm

    Walk into any store in Houston, Tx. Engrish is not spoken here.

  36. Cube
    June 13th, 2013 @ 6:11 pm

    Someone is telling them this will help them win elections…

    Don’t think so. This party hasn’t wanted to govern since Reagan’s second term. All they want are our votes and our money. The consultant class especially wants the money without having to do the work to actually win, and the politicos have no idea what to do with a win if they get it. (See the 2010 aftermath for the latest example, there are many others.)

    Of course, while campaigning they tell us what we want to hear, promise us they will defund Obamacare, do border security, etc. We vote them in with a mandate to do what they said and as soon as the ‘rats want something our side rolls over, usually without even the pretense of a fight.

    This isn’t stupidity, it’s malice. We want our country back – we don’t care about your power. The GOPe has lied to us once too often. When they come around for 2014 and 2016 wanting volunteers and trying to raise money, my response to the party is “SCREW YOU! Get it from the Dems and good luck with that. You get nothing from me ’cause you’ve proven you can’t be trusted.”

  37. Cube
    June 13th, 2013 @ 6:14 pm


  38. jeff s.
    June 13th, 2013 @ 8:51 pm

    Au contraire, you really should learn what a cloture vote is. The senate does have to vote to invoke cloture. That’s why it’s called a cloture vote. So yes, there has been a vote already.

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  40. Adjoran
    June 13th, 2013 @ 9:42 pm


    Cloture has a very specific meaning in Senate rules. It is the only means of shutting OFF debate on a bill on the floor. If cloture is invoked, remaining debate is limited to one hour per side (unless a special rule was adopted before the bill was taken up).

    The ONLY vote already taken was to OPEN debate, NOT close it, so it was NOT cloture. The vote to open debate is typically used to cut off the filing of most amendments and is sometimes treated as a test vote of either support or opposition, but not always.

    So, once again, no cloture vote has been taken on this bill.

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  42. Bob Belvedere
    June 14th, 2013 @ 7:54 am

    If that were true, there would be some hope of taking the GOP back, but the sad truth is: they’re getting their advice from fellow Republicans.

  43. Scribe of Slog (McGehee)
    June 14th, 2013 @ 9:01 am

    For all intents and purposes it is the same law the Bush family advocated back in ‘02 (for the math challenged, that was 11 years ago.).

    And which the Republican base also fought — that time, successfully.

  44. Scribe of Slog (McGehee)
    June 14th, 2013 @ 9:03 am

    Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

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  46. K-Bob
    June 14th, 2013 @ 5:20 pm

    Doug Ross is calling it “Comprehensive Democrat Importation Reform”

  47. K-Bob
    June 14th, 2013 @ 5:22 pm


    Isn’t that what happens to items left too long in the cloak room?

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