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Oh, Noes! @AmandaMarcotte Needs New Theory to Explain Secular Misogynists

Posted on | April 15, 2014 | 91 Comments

Apparently, you don’t need a Bible to know feminists are wacko, and this discovery challenges Amanda Marcotte’s worldview:

“Men’s rights”, a code word for opposition to women’s rights (usually women’s right to be free of violence, to be autonomous in their sexual and relationship decision-making, and to be treated as equals in education and labor ), is a popular topic on Reddit, and recently the forums dedicated to it decided to survey their members to get a demographic picture of them. Stephanie Zvan has a summary. Most of it is unsurprising. . . .
However, there’s a couple of things that stand out. This big one is that . . . the MRAs of Reddit were not drawn to the Christian right. . . . On the contrary, 94% of them defined themselves as having no religion. 94%, folks. . . .
The other sort-of surprise is that they are really young.

Ninety percent of the Reddit MRA survey respondents were 20 or younger, and only 4% were over 25. So here you have thousands of young, secular guys who completely reject feminism.

That crashing sound you just heard? That was the sound of Amanda Marcotte’s worldview collapsing into jagged shards.

Of course, Madcap Mandy manages to articulate a rationalizationfemsplaining, you might say — but you know this survey will be haunting her dreams for weeks to come. After years of blaming opposition to feminism on the Christian Right, here is unmistakable evidence that relentlessly attacking religion will not automatically lead to greater popularity for feminists. In fact, what drew Stephanie Zvan’s interest to the Reddit MRA survey was her perception, as an atheist feminist, that the online harassment she and other atheist feminists have experienced is coming from men inside the atheist movement. This doesn’t particularly surprise me; see my American Spectator column last August, “No Love for the Godless,” about such complaints.

The explanation of the Reddit survey may be a lot simpler than either Zvan or Marcotte suspect. As a phenomenon, Reddit skews toward younger users, and seems to attract a lot of computer geeks.

Young geeks are not generally religious, and so the secular youth tilt of Reddit MRAs is not really unexpected. The survey does, however, suggest that young males are as hostile to feminism as older men, which may surprise some feminists, but doesn’t surprise me in the least. Given that women are now a majority of college undergraduates, claims of female victimhood — oppressed by the heteronormative patriarchy! — are apt to strike young men as absurd.

And if feminists think the Christian view of women is oppressive, they obviously aren’t paying attention in science class.

“Me Tarzan, you Jane.”



91 Responses to “Oh, Noes! @AmandaMarcotte Needs New Theory to Explain Secular Misogynists”

  1. Zohydro
    April 15th, 2014 @ 9:11 pm

    She’s (only) 36! Time has been most cruel to this one…

  2. Finrod Felagund
    April 15th, 2014 @ 9:16 pm

    Heck, there are probably even some UUCP nodes still out there.

  3. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    April 15th, 2014 @ 9:19 pm


  4. Paul H. Lemmen
    April 15th, 2014 @ 9:20 pm

    Geeks trying to get laid …

  5. Phil_McG
    April 15th, 2014 @ 9:42 pm

    Can’t think why young men aren’t impressed with the glory that is feminism.

    Who doesn’t love endless passive-aggressive whining from ugly fruitcakes who simultaneously deride you as an oppressy rapey patriarchist poo-poo head because you have a penis, while begging for special treatment at every turn?

    Not content with ruining education, the proggies and feminuts have recently turned their attentions to ruining sci fi and videogames as well. There are too many cisgendered white males in videogames doing awful cisgendered white male stuff like shooting things and punching things, while the young dudes who play them say young and dudey things, like using rough language and trading insults, apparently. And not enough genderqueer lesbian Muslim wheelchair users rolling around the galaxy in science fiction. The lefties plan to change all that, the tastes of people who actually like and buy games and sci fi be damned.

    So basically the femicons have declared war on the things young, nerdy men like. These young guys aren’t stupid. They see the relentless drumbeat to push girls ahead of them into science and engineering courses in college regardless of whether they have the aptitude and interest or not, and they’re not impressed. They see how they’re demonised by the “rape culture” industry and its hysterical lies, and they’re not impressed. They see the most privileged females who have ever lived on this planet crying into their Twitters and Tumblrs that everything is SOOOO UNFAIR! because of stinky MEN!, and they’re still not impressed.

    They see the pastimes they enjoy being subjected to the same sort of Frankfurt School assault that has turned university campuses into flying circuses of leftwing clownery, and it makes them angry. You just don’t mess with a young man’s videogames.

    So they’ve developed a negative opinion of feminism because they’ve been paying attention.

  6. Anamika
    April 15th, 2014 @ 11:42 pm

    I grew up with a very intellectual mother, no hugs, so silliness. Also, when we spoke we learned to be very careful not to say anything rigorously thought out or in the least degree sentimental. This was hard because I was more poetic and dreamy by nature. But no talk of love, and definitely no talk of god or religion.

    This plus an absent father you grow up outwardly independent, thinking you don’t need. It leaves a big hole. She also had that hole, not her fault, her father was super critical, intellectual, not warm. No pity here, just facts.

    To this day I forget myself around *smart* intellectual types, or, those disregarding of feeling. But even the *pretend* heady types, like me, or the real heady types, register love. I can almost not say it, but need love. So when I read it, I heard my mother’s sneer, Simpletons! even as I practiced it and it felt good.

    One thing I also have learned to say to myself, I put my hand on my chest and say, You’re beautiful, I love you, I will never leave you. The ascetic little girl with the hole in her heart remembers her poet, remembers the magic her life is right now before it’s shamed out of her, remembers she’s loved infinitely as she is, without a single improvement or change, completely and without condition. And so is that little boy. Lifelong battle with hard voices within, criticizing all sloppy thinking, bypassing the heart, notwithstanding.

  7. Danby
    April 16th, 2014 @ 12:26 am

    Are you trying to encourage me to let my emotional side out? That’s the closest thing to sense I can make from your illiterate ramblings.

    If so, let me tell you you’re completely incorrect about my parents, my mother, my upbringing and my personality.

    Or maybe you should go on having your conversation with your imaginary emotional twin. I’m done responding to you. with

  8. concern00
    April 16th, 2014 @ 12:29 am

    Let’s call a spade a spade. These individuals are clearly virophobic and I won’t rest until I have called out every virophobe in the country. Intolerant bigots.

  9. Anamika
    April 16th, 2014 @ 12:36 am

    Careful not to say anything NOT rigorously thought out.

    if I bring a fiery river…
    high mindedness, triteness, dross,
    self-looking, inwardness burning away,
    and you bring a fiery river…

  10. Days of Broken Arrows
    April 16th, 2014 @ 12:52 am

    Definitely not Stevie! His 1972 song “Superwoman” was one of the first musical blows against feminism and he took a lot of flak for it. But the dude spoke the truth.

  11. K-Bob
    April 16th, 2014 @ 12:59 am

    Fidonet Lives!

  12. K-Bob
    April 16th, 2014 @ 1:05 am

    No, see, what we did was we found some proxy data. You know, piles of pizza boxes as indicators of certain demographics, for example. Then, see, we inferred what we wanted, and Mike did this “trick” with the code that hid the parts we didn’t want exposed.

    It’s all very scientific. You probably wouldn’t understand.

  13. K-Bob
    April 16th, 2014 @ 1:06 am

    A direct hit, sir.

  14. Adjoran
    April 16th, 2014 @ 3:45 am

    It’s hard mileage being so angry all the time.

  15. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 6:23 am

    Since Weener Dawgs don’t understand such things, why would a Donkey?

  16. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 7:51 am

    Exactly! What did Ebola every do to us?

  17. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 7:52 am

    I doubt they would fess up to such a heinous crime.

  18. Rosalie
    April 16th, 2014 @ 7:53 am

    You need to get your own blog.

  19. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 7:54 am

    Just like Global Warming. The science is, therefore, settled.

  20. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 7:54 am

    What bad data?

  21. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 7:57 am

    It would be sad knowing that my GF has a body like hers without ever bearing any children.

  22. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:00 am

    Before the RadFem harpies struck, men had the largest burden in society. It’s been slowly transferred to Womyn during my adult life, and they aren’t too happy with the result. Somehow it’s entirely the fault of men that things are the way they are.

  23. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:00 am

    She could call it “The Insane Asylum.”

  24. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:01 am

    When 30 voices are shouting at the top of their lungs, it’s kinda hard to make anything out.

  25. Anamika
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:08 am

    Remember the holy woman in my dream who was a patient in the insane asylum? It was about her insane conviction, not her simple, logical, scientific approach. She was reading from a scripture which i thought was handed to her by aliens. Actually she never explained it to me and since she was always chanting in an alien language i didn’t understand her and i may have assumed that was the case. My friend in the dream, who was a custodian in the institution, representing my logical filter, easily deconstructed my belief by explaining that if i looked carefully i would have realized that the scriptures were actually the mirror image of Chinese characters and she wasn’t even reading them properly.

  26. Anamika
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:15 am

    Is that like hearing voices in your head that tell you you’re stupid?

  27. Anamika
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:26 am

    The practice of arguing about ‘what it is’, amounts to dueling with air-sabres, which deliver wounds to imaginary ‘who’–structures; and the ‘winner’ of such bouts is the one who manages to generate the least vulnerability to the imaginary weapons of others.

    The ‘most invulnerable’ one in such bouts, is the one who ‘is not there’, and in this case, is Danby, the ‘no who’ guy. So, poor Danby is onto something, but he has inverted his own reality, in order to duel with those whom he imagines, imagine their own ‘realness’ as ‘whos’.

    Hint: The ‘cleanest’ or ‘purest’ among us, is the one who never allows his/her anus to open…

  28. Anamika
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:39 am

    Going over my own brain with a microscope again I see tendencies, and impulses. To protect women — god save them from such amateur chivalry — and to defeat men.

  29. Dana
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:42 am

    Sixty years ago, men were expected to marry — marry women! — and work to support his wife and family. Women’s choices were more limited, but they were also (usually) more secure: other than being teachers or nurses, they were housewives, converting their husbands’ monetary earnings into a safe and stable home for the family.

    Now, about a third of women get to keep doing those same tasks, but without that those husbands’ earnings, and another third work outside the home as well, because their husbands can’t earn enough to support the family.

    Can someone tell me how women are better off today?

  30. Anamika
    April 16th, 2014 @ 8:56 am

    It is very insulting and sexist when you realize some women believe the best thing that can happen to a man is to live in marriage, to stabilize him, make him an adult and take his own responsibility,

  31. Zohydro
    April 16th, 2014 @ 9:06 am

    A donkey? You’re too kind, sir!

  32. Zohydro
    April 16th, 2014 @ 9:20 am

    I believe 00 was going for “misandry”…

    BTW: Has anyone heard of any mysterious disease clusters emerging yet in San Francisco or Boston?

  33. Rosalie
    April 16th, 2014 @ 10:29 am

    Many women are not better off and under a lot of stress. The women who are making good money are probably doing well in one way because they can afford a nanny, housekeeper, etc. That doesn’t mean that they’re still not under a lot of stress. However, women have been brainwashed into thinking they can have it all. They can’t. There will always be trade offs.

  34. SouthCentralPA
    April 16th, 2014 @ 10:51 am

    Bonus points for referencing the Watson-elevator geek contretemps.

  35. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 12:36 pm

    No one is better off. All are worse off and women and kids have been harmed the most. Frankly, it was with malice aforethought that what was done was done. What we are seeing is a feature, not a bug.

  36. Quartermaster
    April 16th, 2014 @ 12:38 pm

    This is a family blog and accurate language would not be acceptable 🙂

  37. Dana
    April 16th, 2014 @ 3:36 pm

    Insulting and sexist? How about realistic and truthful! What I have described is the basic family unit as mankind had developed it through all of our recorded history, right up until we decided that we were wiser than everyone who came before us and ought to fix what wasn’t broken.

    I have described for you, very basically, what the results have been; for a few professional women, they’ve been great, but for the majority of man and women, the results have been lousy.

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  39. K-Bob
    April 16th, 2014 @ 5:21 pm

    And far too complicated to explain to “deniers.”

  40. K-Bob
    April 16th, 2014 @ 5:37 pm

    Heh. You can almost hear the fapping whenever she says “Hi honey!”

  41. Paul H. Lemmen
    April 17th, 2014 @ 10:48 am

    Thanks! I hope you are doing well friend!