The Other McCain

"One should either write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up." — Arthur Koestler

Would Everyone Please Stop Arguing About Gays and Ryan Sorba?

Posted on | February 24, 2010 | 69 Comments

You’re depressing me. Really. Because I’m feeling the need to write a 2,500-word essay that no one will pay me to write.

It’s very easy for Bryan Fischer to stir this up by denouncing Hot Air. That’s what he gets paid to do, stir things up. But there are important arguments being overlooked because no one will pay me to clarify the matter – just like nobody ever invites me to speak at CPAC.

The fundamental problem with what Ryan Sorba did was that he started a fight by denouncing his hosts. That’s just bad manners. I was on the phone Tuesday describing Sobra’s stunt as equivalent to someone being invited to dinner and then insulting his host’s mother. The person on the other end of the phone said, no, Sorba’s stunt was more like someone being invited to dinner, climbing up on the table, dropping his pants and defecating all over the entree.

Good causes can be harmed by bad advocates. To celebrate Sorba’s puerile arrogance – his vaunting display of a mastery of the natural law argument — is to ignore his unspeakable rudeness in having insulted CPAC’s hospitality. Whether or not GOProud should have been accepted as a CPAC sponsor is a topic worth arguing. However, once CPAC accepted their sponsorship, and once Sorba accepted an invitation to speak at the conference, common courtesy required that Sorba refrain from insulting GOProud, which helped sponsor the event where Sorba spoke.

(An aside: Bryan Fischer complains that CPAC “should be relabeled ‘The Libertarian Political Action Conference.’” Yet who is to blame for the unusual preponderance of libertarians at this year’s CPAC? A source tells me that a Ron Paul-backed organization, Campaign For Liberty, paid for scores of students to attend CPAC. How many students did AFA send to CPAC? I suspect the number is zero. But AFA apparently can afford to pay Fischer to insult CPAC and Hot Air, eh?)

You can consult my own writings on this subject – “Gay Rights, Gay Rage” and “Whither Marriage?” – and see how stoutly I defend traditional marriage against radicalism. But this is not about gays, or natural law, or libertarianism vs. conservatism. It’s about this egomaniacal punk Sorba using his precious allotment of time on the CPAC stage to make a complete ass of himself and embarrass CPAC.

CPAC ended Saturday and I’ve still got tons of photos and videos I never got around to uploading. Here it is Wednesday already, and this ingrate Sorba is still distracting me from genuinely important (and perhaps remunerative) subjects of discussion.

Everybody shut up. I don’t want to write that essay. Really.

UPDATE: I notice that Doctor Zero has abandoned his anonymity, revealing himself as John Hayward of Florida and starting his own blog. Welcome to the community, sir. I’m sure you’ll be added to Smitty’s RSS feeds, and hope you’ll soon earn a spot in the FMJRA.

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  • Joshua

    Let me know “Mr. other McCain” when you start promoting polygamy as well. Because according to most of these idiots, we should not care about the bedroom, or what is forced on our children, right?

    Talk about vicious hatred? That is the militant homosexual community that hates and demonizes anyone that dare question the rights of sex-crazed men and anal sex as civil rights issues.

    Europe is failing and falling down exactly due to ths liberal, false agenda and why Islamization is happening to their blind cultures over there.

    They thru G_d out of their lives and now America is trying to do the same. Once you do this, don’t be surprised when all hell breaks loose.

    Rome is just around the corner “boys”

  • Joy Tucker

    I’m amazed that no one has addressed the precusor to Mr. Sorba’s remarks. If you would search out the entire story, you would find that crude and immature behavior from the audience toward the speaker that preceded him prompted him to change his address to the crowd at the last moment. If homosexual individuals expect courtesy, should they not practice it first?

  • Joy Tucker

    I’m amazed that no one has addressed the precusor to Mr. Sorba’s remarks. If you would search out the entire story, you would find that crude and immature behavior from the audience toward the speaker that preceded him prompted him to change his address to the crowd at the last moment. If homosexual individuals expect courtesy, should they not practice it first?

  • Joshua

    Leo,

    There is no such thing as homophobia. Thats a lie. There is such a thing as dysfunctional young boys that fail to mature, are lost, the majority of which come from broken homes, no fathers, abusive fathers, or have been abused in their lives.

    There is such a thing as Christaphobia. Its called the ACLU and Homosexuals. They believe they have a right to push their physical sex addictions and abnormal behavior on every single person in America. Damn anyone that points out they need serious psychological help. There is no such thing as a gay gene.

    But I’m sure you’re going to fight just as hard for Polygamy, right? We should force every child in America, in our schools to accept that polygamy is normal, why not?

    Try to argue pro-homosexual, anti-polygamy stances. You cannot logically do it. If you force one set of sexual behavior on all of us, you must let all the other sexual behaviors exist and force them on everyone else.

    The best thing to do is for Government to stay the hell out of schools, out of families homes and stop forcing abnormal sexual behavior on all of us.

  • Joshua

    Leo,

    There is no such thing as homophobia. Thats a lie. There is such a thing as dysfunctional young boys that fail to mature, are lost, the majority of which come from broken homes, no fathers, abusive fathers, or have been abused in their lives.

    There is such a thing as Christaphobia. Its called the ACLU and Homosexuals. They believe they have a right to push their physical sex addictions and abnormal behavior on every single person in America. Damn anyone that points out they need serious psychological help. There is no such thing as a gay gene.

    But I’m sure you’re going to fight just as hard for Polygamy, right? We should force every child in America, in our schools to accept that polygamy is normal, why not?

    Try to argue pro-homosexual, anti-polygamy stances. You cannot logically do it. If you force one set of sexual behavior on all of us, you must let all the other sexual behaviors exist and force them on everyone else.

    The best thing to do is for Government to stay the hell out of schools, out of families homes and stop forcing abnormal sexual behavior on all of us.

  • mike parnell

    Wow. Joshua has issues. I came from a great home with loving parents and wonderful siblings. I don’t know where Joshua gets his “facts” but they’re completely bogus. Fortunately, his ideas are losing ground daily.

  • mike parnell

    Wow. Joshua has issues. I came from a great home with loving parents and wonderful siblings. I don’t know where Joshua gets his “facts” but they’re completely bogus. Fortunately, his ideas are losing ground daily.

  • http://www.eggandsperm.org John Howard

    Conservatives should oppose equal procreation rights for same sex couples, Transhumanism, genetic engineering (“designer babies”), and postgenderism, because allowing people to start creating people using genetically modified gametes will mean huge government programs to research and fund it. All people should be created from the union of a man’s sperm and a woman’s egg, and all people should have equal rights to use their unmodified genes to procreate with their spouse. No one should be allowed to do it any other way, because it undermines the right to use our own genes. Ryan Sorba actually seems to understand, he wrote about the subject on his blog last year.

    We can still give gay couples all the protections and benefits and security of marriage in the form of Civil Unions that are defined as “marriage minus conception rights”, thereby preserving marriage’s protection of the couple’s right to procreate together.

    It all comes down to whether we want to preserve natural conception rights and prohibit same-sex procreation and genetic engineering, or whether we want to allow those things. If we allow them, then we should allow same-sex marriage. If we don’t, we shouldn’t.

  • http://www.eggandsperm.org John Howard

    Conservatives should oppose equal procreation rights for same sex couples, Transhumanism, genetic engineering (“designer babies”), and postgenderism, because allowing people to start creating people using genetically modified gametes will mean huge government programs to research and fund it. All people should be created from the union of a man’s sperm and a woman’s egg, and all people should have equal rights to use their unmodified genes to procreate with their spouse. No one should be allowed to do it any other way, because it undermines the right to use our own genes. Ryan Sorba actually seems to understand, he wrote about the subject on his blog last year.

    We can still give gay couples all the protections and benefits and security of marriage in the form of Civil Unions that are defined as “marriage minus conception rights”, thereby preserving marriage’s protection of the couple’s right to procreate together.

    It all comes down to whether we want to preserve natural conception rights and prohibit same-sex procreation and genetic engineering, or whether we want to allow those things. If we allow them, then we should allow same-sex marriage. If we don’t, we shouldn’t.

  • KG

    You’re not convincing anyone mike parnell, you just come off as snotty.

  • KG

    You’re not convincing anyone mike parnell, you just come off as snotty.

  • http://redstate.com/diaries/finrod Finrod

    Personally, I find it hilarious that people try to use the Bible to rant against polygamy, when according to the Bible, King Solomon was the wisest man that ever lived (excepting Jesus of course), and he had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

  • http://redstate.com/diaries/finrod Finrod

    Personally, I find it hilarious that people try to use the Bible to rant against polygamy, when according to the Bible, King Solomon was the wisest man that ever lived (excepting Jesus of course), and he had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

  • mike parnell

    Snotty? Have you read these posts? I don’t have to convince anyone here because you mostly seem to be gay-haters, and there’s no changing that. No, I just enjoy playing with you folks. You’re like artifacts from a museum in your thinking. Quaint but dangerous, like Nazism. But while you’re still around (and you will eventually be replaced by clearer-thinking humans) I’m having a blast reading your dusty thoughts.

  • mike parnell

    Snotty? Have you read these posts? I don’t have to convince anyone here because you mostly seem to be gay-haters, and there’s no changing that. No, I just enjoy playing with you folks. You’re like artifacts from a museum in your thinking. Quaint but dangerous, like Nazism. But while you’re still around (and you will eventually be replaced by clearer-thinking humans) I’m having a blast reading your dusty thoughts.

  • http://gryphsgripes.blogspot.com Gryph

    I tend to think that it was a strategic mistake for CPAC to bring GOProud on as a sponsor, but I don’t begrudge them that as some kind of social-con fundamentalist.

    I’m far more concerned about the potential impact on the event, and by implication the conservative movement, of the John Birch Socieity and David Keene’s apparent indiscriminacy in bringing on whichever sponsors call themselves “conservative.”

    Tar the leaders, tar the movement. It’s a smear technique that James Carville et. al know quite well, and I think we should be cautious in not giving them opportunities.

  • http://gryphsgripes.blogspot.com Gryph

    I tend to think that it was a strategic mistake for CPAC to bring GOProud on as a sponsor, but I don’t begrudge them that as some kind of social-con fundamentalist.

    I’m far more concerned about the potential impact on the event, and by implication the conservative movement, of the John Birch Socieity and David Keene’s apparent indiscriminacy in bringing on whichever sponsors call themselves “conservative.”

    Tar the leaders, tar the movement. It’s a smear technique that James Carville et. al know quite well, and I think we should be cautious in not giving them opportunities.

  • Live Free Or Die

    God overlooked King Solomon’s many sins as an O.T. example of God’s grace.

    In the past, God overlooked such ignorance, but now He commands all people everywhere to repent. Acts 17:30

  • Live Free Or Die

    God overlooked King Solomon’s many sins as an O.T. example of God’s grace.

    In the past, God overlooked such ignorance, but now He commands all people everywhere to repent. Acts 17:30