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Obligatory: Video in Which Tucson Killer Jabbers About ‘Illegal Wars’ Like Your Average DKos Diarist or Cindy Sheehan

Posted on | January 15, 2011 | 36 Comments

UPDATE: Someone has finally re-uploaded the video to YouTube:

PREVIOUSLY: It was taken down by YouTube, but those greedy bastards at the Los Angeles Times got it through an open-records request and “embed disabled” it so you have to go to their Web site to see it.

However, unlike Jared Lee Loughner, I’m cool with the whole capitalist greed thing, so I guess I’ll just “tone down the rhetoric” before they take out a restraining order and get me locked up in a loony bin. Anyway, the takeaway from this creepy video is:

  1. Jared Lee Loughner didn’t like ”illegal wars,” which are “unconstitutional,” an opinion you might have heard a lot circa 2002-2006 if you were hanging out with smelly peaceniks at International A.N.S.W.E.R. marches or Ned Lamont rallies.
  2. Jared Lee Loughner habitually used the term “genocide” to describe anything he was against – “Mom, this broccoli-and-cheese casserole tastes like genocide!” — just like every Chomsky-spouting punk who ever protested an Ann Coulter speech on a college campus.
  3. Jared Lee Loughner’s interpretation of the Constitution is nearly as crazy as the majority opinion in Lawrence v. Texas.
  4. Jared Lee Loughner hates cops, considers grammar a form of “mind control,” and felt that getting a “B” in class was a violation of his First Amendment rights. If he hadn’t become a mass murderer, he might have had a promising future as an ACLU lawyer.
  5. Jared Lee Loughner is bonkers, wacko, schizoid, daft, zany, deranged, demented and cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Not to put too fine a point on it, but he’s batshit crazy and also quite likely nucking futz.

Unfortunately, Jared Lee Loughner didn’t have a Harvard diploma and a blog at The Atlantic Monthly. So when Loughner wanted to destroy a female politician with whom he was pathologically obsessed . . .

What? Too soon?

UPDATE: ABC News also has the video:

Meanwhile, Brian at Red Dog Report wonders why a key connection is being ignored:

The Media has completely ignored the impact that conspiracy movie “Zeitgeist” had on Jared Loughner’s psyche. . . . Most likely, it is because Loughner’s Zeitgeist conspiracies do not fit the media’s narrative. . . . They have decided to just write him off as a lone wolf lunatic. And have moved on; awaiting the next Palin “scandal.”

What’s annoying as all hell is that it was ABC News that broke the “Zeitgeist” exclusive on Wednesday and yet they haven’t followed up on their own scoop.

Either they’re too stupid to understand the connection or else . . . Look, I hate to use the word “conspiracy” in this context, but if Loughner’s friend had told ABC News that Mark Levin or Michael Savage or Glenn Beck had a “profound impact” on the gunman’s worldview, don’t you think we would have seen some follow-up reporting by now?

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    • UPDATE II: Speaking of Cindy Sheehan, Da Tech Guy sees the media playing the “absolute moral authority” card.

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    Comments

    • Anonymous

      The Left has (more) blood on its’ hands.

    • gg

      He seems more like Ron Paul flavored right-libertarian crazy.

      Own it up.

    • http://twitter.com/Dandapani Dandapani

      Shaboozey?

    • Joe

      gg: Have you started your prision pen pal romance yet with your soul mate Jared Lee Loughner?

    • Anonymous

      He seems more like Ron Paul flavored right-libertarian crazy.

      Because you personally know so many Ron Paul supporters, right? This is what libertarians do all the time: Get kicked out of school and call it “genocide.”

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    • JeffS

      I’d like to say this was a nice try, gg, but it’s really quite stupid, even for you.

    • Anonymous

      FAIL.

    • http://pointofagun.blogspot.com/ Dave C

      He seems to be parroting what you’ve said in the past about ‘Illegal Wars’..

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    • gg

      Allow me to edit and hope you appreciate the irony in your self inflicted wound better:

      He seems more like Ron Paul flavored right-libertarian crazy THAN your average Kos diarist.

    • gg

      Inorder to talk about “illegal wars”, I guess there is no need for someone to be a high school graduate when you’re knowledgeable in UN (international) and US law (constitution), because then you know if a war is legal or illegal. As a hint, Gulf War I (by H.W.Bush) was legal. If that doesn’t help, another clue could be that the US govt. refuses to recognize the international court in The Hague. The third hint, why if individuals with a nationality from country A commit a crime in country B, it is appropriate that country B invades country C, later conquers country D and subsequently expands the war to country E, neighboring country A.international court in The Hague. The third hint, why if individuals with a nationality from country A commit a crime in country B, it is appropriate that country B invades country C, later conquers country D and subsequently expands the war to country E, neighboring country A.

    • gg

      from the author of a blog with these credentials:

      Marjorie Cohn is the immediate past president of the National Lawyers Guild and a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, where she teaches criminal law and procedure, evidence, and international human rights law. She lectures throughout the world on human rights and US foreign policy.

      Obama’s Af-Pak War is Illegal

      …..So what?

      He aint the first or the last.

      If it were legal, that would be better?

      As the late Roy Cohn said, “Don’t tell me the law. Just tell me who the judge is.”

      The laws can be re-written, re-interpreted, or simply ignored.

      You just have to know who to talk to, and how much it’s gonna cost, that’s all.

      Hate to sound cynical, but from my little perch, it’s seems INCREASING obvious that almost ANYTHING the US Gov’t is doing these days is so FAR from legal that it’s ludicrous.

    • The Wondering Jew

      As an actual Ron Paul supporter from a while back, and being quite familiar with his grassroots, it is amusing to see GG’s incoherent rantings on the same

      EPIC FAIL

    • The Wondering Jew

      Also, great Andrew Sullivan reference Stacy– If we ever see Andrew doing strange confessional bareback posts on line (oh, wait, that already happened. . .) before going on unhinged violent attacks against Palin, we can’ t say we weren’t warned.

    • gg

      Having been a regular member of the kos community for sometime, it is even more amusing for me to see your derangement on the same.

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    • Anonymous

      Keep you children out of the room when viewing this video …
      it may cause them to go to sleep … boring

      Oliver Stone must be shaking in his boots.

    • http://twitter.com/robisaverb Robert Birch

      I would agree with that statement since the Democratic Party passed the War Act in 1973, even Nixon didn’t want it. Unfortunately, many presidents have used it since.

    • http://24ahead.com/ 24AheadDotCom

      I’ve repeatedly stated he occasionally sounds like a deranged libertrarian extremist, and he sounds like that on this new video too. However, I think the best way to describe his political stance is as I do here:

      24ahead.com/n/10316

      Perhaps RSMcCain would care to provide a quote from Sheehan, Michael Moore, Garofalo, ANSWER, or all the rest in which they gave as their reason for opposing Iraq because “the date is wrong”.

      Have Sheehan, Michael Moore, Garofalo, ANSWER said we shouldn’t be in Iraq because “the date is wrong”?

      Note: I wrote that post in which I predicted that teapartiers would use that out of context before seeing this post.

    • http://twitter.com/AmPowerBlog Donald Douglas
    • http://pointofagun.blogspot.com/ Dave C

      There’s this movie I saw recently.. I think it might be right up your alley..

      It’s called, Zestiest. Have you heard of it?

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    • Nomen

      Stacy,

      You appear to be doing the same thing with Loughner as the anti-Palins: pounding away mightily and endlessly on his square peg because you so desperately want it to fit into the same round hole as the people you already hated before he came along. Life is more complex than the blue-red struggle.

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    • Anonymous

      Dear Anonymous Douchebag:

      The people who blamed Palin were blaming her in the complete absence of any evidence that the perpetrator of the crime had any political connection to her. And they have continued to blame her, even after it has been rather conclusively proven that Jared Loughner did not share Palin’s politics and wasn’t even political active enough to vote in 2010.

      Meanwhile, we have the testimony of his friends that Jared Loughner was “quite liberal” and that he was influenced by the anti-American conspiracy-theory film Zeitgeist.

      Perhaps you are too stupid to see the difference. But you’re just an anonymous Concern Troll, and I suppose you think you’re so much smarter than everyone else that no one can ever possibly refute the chop-logic bullshit you consider acceptable as argument.

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    • Nomen

      I _don’t_ see a difference between saying Loughner = Palin; and saying Lougher = peaceniks, Chomsky, and the ACLU. Those names came from your mouth and your mind — not Loughner’s.

      It’s pretty silly to suggest that somebody committed mass murder because he was a “peacenik.” That makes it look like your real concern is simply throwing shit out of spite; that this isn’t about logic, but about twisting any bad thing into a weapon for the internecine warfare that preoccupies the dominant political culture. The prevalence of that crap has disheartened a lot of people of good will in this country.

    • Donaldfurther

      wow- these “mccain” writers are as crazy as jared, and, just like jared—they have no idea how crazy they are.

    • http://ak4mc.us/2c/2011/ McGehee

      I’ve repeatedly stated he occasionally sounds like a deranged libertrarian extremist

      And I’ve repeatedly stated my wife’s cats occasionally sound like the Marx Brothers singing “Tie Me Kangaroo Down.”

      What’s your point?

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    • http://nodepositbonus.forumotion.net Clap

      Its not good to suggest that somebody committed mass murder because he was a “peacenik.” That makes it look like your real concern is simply throwing shit out of spite; that this isn’t about logic, but about twisting any bad thing into a weapon for the internecine warfare that preoccupies the dominant political culture. The prevalence of that crap has disheartened a lot of people of good will in this country.

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    • Dagummit!!

      Question why do the majority of people on this site, with these atrocious news reports that seem like they are leftover talking points from Glen Beck’s, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh’s script writers. Constantly use the term “The left and The Right”? This is one of the most annoying forms of a prejudice. I cannot find any point of validity from anyone here after these terms are used, mainly because the statements sound convoluted and loaded. I being a novice and do not watch much of the news corporations (FOX, NBC, ABC, CNN) and also since I do not acquiesce to any of these other political factions (Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Independent) DO NOT UNDERSTAND? What is the relevance of pointing out if someone is either “Left or Right”?

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