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Equality Über Alles, New York

Posted on | June 24, 2011 | 47 Comments

Can mere words suffice to describe it?

ALBANY — Lawmakers voted late Friday to legalize same-sex marriage, making New York the largest state where gay and lesbian couples will be able to wed and giving the national gay-rights movement new momentum from the state where it was born.
The bill was approved on a 33-to-29 vote as 4 Republican state senators joined 29 Democrats in voting for it. . . .
Senate approval was the final hurdle for the legislation, which was strongly supported by Mr. Cuomo. . . . Mr. Cuomo was expected to sign the measure soon, and the law will go into effect 30 days later, meaning that same-sex couples could begin marrying in New York by midsummer. “I am very proud of New York and the statement we made to the nation today,” Mr. Cuomo said. . . .

“New York Republicans,” IYKWIMAITYD.

UPDATE: Merely by looking at the headlines of the reaction, you can see what a blunderheaded disaster this was for the New York GOP, as well as for conservatives everywhere:

Look at that last headline, especially. Leaving aside entirely the current issue, are Gov. Cuomo and “gay rights activists” friends of the conservative movement? They are not. So if four Republicans vote to hand a “win” to liberals, what is the net political impact?

The first and most important impact is the utter demoralization of social conservatives in New York. Many people who don’t study these issues overlook the fact that about one-third of New York voters are Catholic. Many Catholics tend to lean leftward on economic issues, yet when social issues like abortion and homosexuality are front and center of the political debate, they will vote Republican — if Republicans clearly articulate a principled conservative position on those issues.

Pro-life voters were almost certainly the margin of victory, for example, in Ann Marie Buerkle’s hard-fought victory in last year’s NY-25 election. Liberals made the mistake of reminding voters that Buerkle had once been an Operation Rescue activist, which had the exact opposite effect from what liberals had intended: That helped energize social conservatives who, until then, had thought of the election chiefly in terms of economic issues.

Republicans who go squishy on social issues do so under the mistaken belief that this somehow helps the GOP reach independent “swing” voters. But that kind of soft-headed thinking is based on a complete misunderstanding of who independent voters actually are.

Independents are not moderates, but rather are prototypical “low-information” voters, and aren’t really much interested in social issues one way or the other.

You know what independent voters truly loathe? Gutless backstabbing unprincipled two-faced flip-floppers.

Which is why John McCain lost in 2008, and why RINOs like Arlen Specter, Dede Scozzafava, Charlie Crist and Mike Castle were always worse enemies to the Republican Party than any outright liberal Democrat could ever be.

The four GOP state senators in New York who voted for this bill have destroyed all hope that the Republican Party can ever make a real comeback in that state. As I said on Twitter last night: “Will the last conservative leaving the NYGOP please turn out the lights?”

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  • http://www.goldfishandclowns.com Jerry Wilson/Goldfish & Clowns

    I’m sure they’ll get to that massive deficit now. First things first, y’know.

  • Anonymous

    What clueless stupidity: The GOP majority in the state Senate is hereby demonstrated to be entirely useless as a vehicle for anything other than rubber-stamping Cuomo’s agenda, thus raising the question, Why the hell bother voting Republican?

  • Joe

    A lot of New Yorkers are well…from Queens.  As the late Peter Falk said:  “I was working on a case!  I never did nothin to a man that I wouldn’t do to a woman.”  Hey wait a second, was he from New York? 

    I could care less.  If gay marriage is going to happen, let voters pass it either through there representatives or through referendums (in states that allow that).  New Yorkers have an option, if they are offended they can vote for representatives that reflect their views.  That is how it works. 

    This was not judicially mandated, it was passed in a legislature.  You can disagree but if New York wants to have gay marriage, that is an issue for New York to figure out.  As we have seen, New York politics and politicians are somewhat confused about things. 

  • Anonymous

    If that’s what the people of NY want, OK. However, TX should not have to give “full faith and credit” to a NY marriage license until NY, including NYC, has to give “full faith and credit” to my TX concealed carry permit.

  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    New York Republicans are really stupid if they think they’ve accomplished anything with this. They only agreed to vote for this after an amendment was added to the effect that a church or other religious organization could not be sued if they refused to perform a gay marriage, or if they would not allow one on public property they own. Now that the law has been passed, that part of the law will be challenged in court and it will probably be stricken down by some black-robed freak.

  • Amylpav22

    Yeah, it was a bone tossed to the Republicans that will be taken back. I give it 2 years, tops, before the anti-discrimination lawsuits begin in earnest.

  • http://zillablog.marezilla.com Zilla of the Resistance

    Whether you agree or disagree, it is done. My stupid state is nearly bankrupt and may find the extra revenue generated by increased business to florists, banquet halls, caterers and others in the wedding planning industry and also the tourism industry for out of town wedding guests, helpful. Perhaps some in those businesses will need to hire more people. Oh and now the divorce lawyers will be able to double their clientele. ;)

  • http://leatherpenguin.com/wordpress/ TC_LeatherPenguin

    Don’t worry, Stacy. Those fools are used to getting the Conservative Party endorsement (and name on the ballot under that line). Those four mooks just burned themselves alive, and Skelos just showed anyone who was watching that he can’t control his caucus, so he’s Dead Man Walking.

  • http://leatherpenguin.com/wordpress/ TC_LeatherPenguin

    As long as the DOMA is Federal law, Texas (and other states) can tell them to STFU.

  • http://twitter.com/InpatientMed Unlikely Hospitalist

    It can’t be. There is a severability clause that says if any portion of the bill is found to be unconstitutional the entire bill is unconstitutional. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s good to hear.

    But maybe NY ”progressives” figure that they’ll just wait until a critical mass of New Yorkers have resigned themselves to the new reality. Then, they’ll challenge the offensive provisions, get the law struck down, and then replace it entirely with what they really want - it’ll be just another step in imposing the long-term “progressive” social experiment. 

    Then, they’ll identify some new forms of oppression . . .      

  • Joe

    There has never been FFC for marriage, but you know there and federal benefits are where they are going next.  I am not advocating that, I advocate each state allowing its own citizens to define it (without judges doing it for them). 

  • Charlesmartel41

    Ah, yes.  We seem to have advanced (advanced?) in a relatively short time from state sanctions against sodomy to giving it the state seal of approval.  Isn’t progress wonderful?

  • Joe

    Look on the bright side, now Scozzafava can marry Newt (as soon has he divorces Callista). 

  • Anonymous

    This is such a loser of an issue for Republicans and Conservatives.  I, as a member of both, could care less what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their relationships.  It does not affect me at all.  What does matter to me is the size and scope of our government, and that is what the Rs and Cs should focus on.  Drop the social stuff; concentrate on the fiscal stuff.

  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    Its just not that simple. There’s more involved here than the right of gays to engage in homosexual relations or to marry.

  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    Another reason this is bad is because once a state grants a right, its not that easy to reverse it. Even a good conservative judge might have a legitimate problem with that.

  • Anonymous

    The law seems to be a good compromise:  gives gays right to marry but does not force any institution (church, temple, etc) that is not on board with the idea to allow the ceremony to take place on their property.

  • http://www.redstateeclectic.typepad.com AngelaTC

    Yes. According to the constitution, marriage licensing is a state’s rights issue anyway.

  • http://www.redstateeclectic.typepad.com AngelaTC

    At least they’re selling out on the libertarian side of the issues instead of the socialist issues for a change.    IF there weren’t socialism (as in entitlements) attached, nobody on either side of the issue would care.  

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  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    So what happens when some guy dies and his homosexual lover is able to take half or more of his estate away from his children in the event he didn’t leave a will? How many children are going to be adopted out to homosexual perverts for no other reason than the adoption agency doesn’t want to risk a lawsuit by turning them down?

  • Charles Johnson

    If we can turn things around in California marry Kilgore Trout and make him my love gimp. 

  • Charles Johnson

    …I may marry Kilgore Trout and make him my love gimp. 

    But I am going to want a prenup!  I have to protect my LGF empire! 

  • Quartermaster

    It’s only a matter of time before some black robed outlaw disposes of the compromise idea. Those things rarely stand in the face of judicial lawlessness.

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    They told me if I supported Scalia, there would be….

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    Was it not Harry Turman who said: If the choice is between a Democrat and a ‘Democrat’, the people will vote for the Democrat every time?

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    The prophecy laid down by Antontradamus in Lawrence v. Texas hath been fullfilled!…

    Driving-That-Quartrain 13:17: The Texas statute undeniably seeks to further the belief of its citizens that certain forms of sexual behavior are “immoral and unacceptable,” Bowers, supra, at 196–the same interest furthered by criminal laws against fornication, bigamy, adultery, adult incest, bestiality, and obscenity. Bowers held that this was a legitimate state interest. The Court today reaches the opposite conclusion. The Texas statute, it says, “furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual,” ante, at 18 (emphasis addded). The Court embraces instead Justice Stevens’ declaration in his Bowers dissent, that “the fact that the governing majority in a State has traditionally viewed a particular practice as immoral is not a sufficient reason for upholding a law prohibiting the practice,” ante, at 17. This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation. If, as the Court asserts, the promotion of majoritarian sexual morality is not even a legitimate state interest, none of the above-mentioned laws can survive rational-basis review.

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    Exactly.  One of the pillars of Western Civilization is the institution of monogamus marriage.  By destroying the definition, the Left has successful blown away another support that undergirds the greatest civilization the world has ever known.  A is A; marriage is the sacred joining of a man and a woman together to form a family, one of the chief stabilizing units of any society.  When you take the ying and yang balance that is necessary for a family to function properly and replace it with ying and ying or yang and yang, you undermine a culture’s fragile stability.  That is the goal of the Leftist – to bring about the destruction of The West, so that on it’s ruins they can build their Utopia, Heaven On Earth, Immanentize The Eschaton.

    A mere fifteen years ago, practically no one would have thought that in 2011 gay marriage would have made such headway.  Today, if we continue to ignore Justice Scalia’s warning, can you deny that adult incest and bestiality are likely to be santcioned in the near future?  That door has been wedged open.

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    Frankly, one of the biggest problems with conservative judges is that they worship a little too intensely at the alter of stare decisis.

  • Anonymous

    Yep. Fifteen years ago, if you questioned an earlier plank of the “gay rights” movement by suggesting that it would propel society toward gay marriage, the left accused you of being “paranoid.”

    Now, if you scoff at the protections supposedly provided by ”religious exceptions,” the left accuses you of being “paranoid.”

    Apparently, to avoid being paranoid, you either have to be a leftist or naive.

  • Anonymous

    In terms of my own personal temperament, etc., I’m a fairly “live and let live” guy, too. Moreover, the “drop the social stuff” argument has some TACTICAL advantages, although it’s debatable whether such an approach tends to be favorable on balance.

    That said, you can’t neatly separate the fiscal stuff from the social stuff and/or all the other stuff. The left fully appreciates that reality and is only too happy to have guys like you willing to play along.

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  • Robbyahm

    Well hey, look at the bright side, now women can become new entrepreneurs by selling breast milk for the new married gay boys for their new….oh wait, never mind.

  • Anonymous

    Selling out is selling out.

  • Anonymous

    Two years? There’s someone shopping around for a church fellowship hall that will refuse them permission to marry there.

  • Anonymous

    Wont matter the court will then have an opportunity to establish a “right”, simply irresistible.

  • Anonymous

    So what, exactly, is this going to mean for “domestic partnerships” now that “marriage” is legal for all comers in the State of NY?

    Will the law now change such that the ONLY people who benefit economically are married couples, and not also those who have domestic partners?

    And if not, why not?  If gay activists want the right to marry, then make them accept the responsibility for demanding that right and all that comes with it – if you AREN’T married, then you don’t get the full legal and economic benefits that marriage provides.

    This is where their whole argument falls apart…..

  • Nospam

    Which one is the male?

  • Nospam

    With respect- you’re gonna trust Democrat-appointed judges with this? Really?

  • Nospam

    Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    “There are reasons we have laws governing important institutions, such as marriage. As in landscaping, you don’t remove a wall until you know why it was put there.”
    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-06-15.html

    Ann Coulter is a national treasure, an obnoxious national treasure but none the less……
     

  • Joe

    Ahhh, I would rather not think of it, but since you asked…Dede.  Dede did Newt good and hard and he never forgot it. 

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, if you gotta say it in Latin……..

  • CalMark

    This spells great trouble for churches in the near future.

    Lots of good, decent people fighting the good fight and a couple of vain, soulless sellouts are able to help bring western, already on its knees, closer to ruin. 

    Despite the best and strongest efforts, the good guys who are the majority, or at least a strong plurality, always seem to lose.  Saul Alinsky (who dedicated the first printing of “Rules for Radicals” to the Devil) and his disciples of darkness just keep on winning.

    Eli, Eli:  lama sabachtani?

  • Mark in Spokane

    First, the severability clause is a joke.  It won’t stop judges from ruling against churches and religious organizations — they will simply “construe” what they are doing as something that doesn’t trigger the severability clause.  It is a question of definition — and one thing that the whole same-sex marriage debate demonstrates, definitions are infinitely flexible as far as the gay-rights activists are concerned.

    Second, even if the protections for religious organizations & churches are upheld, they don’t appy to private individuals.  An evangelical couple who owns a bed and breakfast will have to permit homosexual “married” couples to stay there, or face a lawsuit and the revocation of their business license.  A devout Roman Catholic who runs a wedding photography business?  Ditto.  This statute will essentially require a not insignificant number of people of faith to either:  1) abandon their professions or 2) conform to the new morality in their choice of clients.  That doesn’t strike me as a libertarian outcome.

    Problems for religious organizations and religious believers are inevitable given the environment in New York now. 

  • http://thecampofthesaints.org Bob Belvedere

    I always say it in Latin, if possible – gotta maintain standards.

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