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CNN SOUTH CAROLINA DEBATE:
GOP MADNESS @ FINAL FOUR

Posted on | January 19, 2012 | 65 Comments

by Smitty

UPDATE (RSM): Shortly after the exchange among the candidates about abortion, Rick Santorum’s press secretary Matt Benyon appeared in the media filing center, distributing a stack of papers headlined: ROMNEY SIGNED PRO-ABORTION PLEDGE.

On the questionnaire by the Planned Parenthood ADvocacy Fund of Massachusetts is dated April 9, 2002, and signed by Mitt Romney. To the question, “Do you support the substance of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade?” Romney answered, “Yes.”

To the question, “Do you support state funding of abortion services through Medicaid for low-income women?” Romney answered, “Yes.”

21:55 EST Santorum: agreeing with Romney on the stakes. I am the candidate with the true contrast.

21:54 EST Mitt: liberty is the pursuit of happiness. BHO is creating an entitlement society.

21:53 EST Newt: we must defeat #OccupyResoluteDesk. His radicalism will be truly frightening in a second term. We must have a series of debates to convince Americans that a Saul Alinksy radical must be avoided.

21:52 EST Paul: I will protect individual liberty. That benefits everybody. The debt is the threat. I will cut $1 trillion from the budget.

21:51 EST SC has the record. Make your case.

21:47 EST Wow. The Santorum/Paul exchange on abortion really made the debate. Santorum played the Declaration of Independence card, and Paul shot back with the the 10th Amendment, arguing that returning the question to the states would repeal Roe v. Wade overnight. My head ‘sploded.

21:44 EST Paul: hey, medical topic, and I’m a doctor. When a woman is pregnant, you have two patients. The morality tanked, and the law reflected it. Abortion is an indictment of government-run medicine.

21:43 EST Newt: I have an enviable pro-life record. Did my best.

21:42 EST Mitt: I have further details supporting my pro-life record. Did my best.

21:41 EST Santorum: if you don’t explicitly preclude abortion, you know the courts will require it. Social issues are not a check in the box.

21:38 EST Mitt: I have excuses for every detail raised on every issue by every rival. So there.

21:37 EST Newt: why yes, Mitt has some weird details about his pro-life record.

21:36 EST CNN: can I get you to fight on abortion positions?

21:35 EST Newt: Drop federal prosecutions of states for supporting the law.

21:33 EST Paul: we are not looking at the economic incentives.

21:31 EST Mitt: I’m holding my position of four years ago. Mitt deftly co-opts any position that gets applause.

21:30 EST Santorum: I’m the son of an immigrant. Mitt has flip-flopped. Newt is like BHO. We need a clear contrast; somebody who has always held the correct position.

21:27 EST Romney: illegal aliens is among the more manageable challenges.

21:25 EST Newt: controlling the border, English as the official language of government, and modernize visas, and speedier deportations. A better guest worker program. And, yeah, some kind of way to handle people who are here for multi-decades.

21:25 EST CNN: ‘amnesty’ is such a lonely word. What about immigration.

21:24 EST Paul: no big changes, but maybenotspeakingsofast.

21:23 EST Santorum: wouldn’t change a thing. I am proud of doing it the old-fashioned way.

21:22 EST Mitt: I would take back all the time spent on other candidates and drop in on #OccupyResoluteDesk.

21:21 EST Newt: I would scuttle the first three months of standard rent-a-dolts.

21:21 EST CNN: admit your biggest screwup.

Linked at The Camp of the Saints and The Lonely Conservative.

21:15 EST Santorum: I agree with the need for freedom, and SOPA goes too far, but that intellectual property needs protection. The internet is not a wild-wild West.

21:14 EST Paul: I was the first Republican to side with Democrats against SOPA.

21:13 EST Mitt: we need freedom, and use existing law to go after pirates.

21:12 EST Newt: I favor freedom. The World’s Youngest Blogger concurs.

21:11 EST CNN: Time Warner wants SOPA.

21:10 EST Santorum: I’d sign a national right to work bill.

21:09 EST Paul: don’t oversimplify the trade question. Car companies are a bigger problem. The union problem is worse. We need more right to work states.

21:06 EST Santorum: cut the corporate tax to 0 for manufacturers.

21:05 EST CNN: Apple computer. Half a million employees in Chinese sweat shops. What gives?

21:04 EST Mitt: Hey, why don’t you quit carrying the Democrat party water and attacking people for being successful?

21:03 EST CNN: Mitt, will you follow your father’s example and drop 12 years?

21:02 EST Santorum: they’re on my computer, I do them myself, I’m not home to release them.

21:02 EST Mitt: I’ve been successful, and will release them if the nominee.

21:01 EST Mitt: I’ll get them out.

21:00 EST Paul: don’t intend to, too embarrassingly broke.

21:00 EST Newt: did an hour ago.

20:59 EST Question: what about releasing your taxes?

20:57 EST Newt: let me double down on history by contrasting Carter and Reagan. Let me pat my self on the back while sound just a little teeny bit like Elizabeth Warren.

20:56 EST Mitt: yeah, this Santorum/Gingrich catfight is perfect evidence of the need for an outsider.

20:54 EST Newt: I have shown 88 miles of courage, against the wishes of the party’s leadership.

20:52 EST Santorum: Pelican beak, hummingbird backside. I was in the House at the time of the anti-Newt coup, and the House checking scandal.

20:51 EST Newt: My resume can thrash anyone. Grandiose? I shop at BMF Wallets.

20:49 EST CNN: Newt said you should just punt, Santorum. Rick: Grandiosity has never been a problem for Newt. Beat him in IA and NH, for all he outspent me. I should get out? I’m steady, solid, and going to beat Barack Obama.

Photo curtesy of RSM:

20:43 EST Paul: I thought you were prejudiced against doctors. ObamaCare can be diminished, but government involvement in medicine is going to be hard to walk back. And Santorum has supported government involvement. We need to protect those dependent on medical care, and we need to follow the money.

20:42 EST Santorum: you ate the individual mandate for ten years.

20:41 EST Newt: I fought against HillaryCare. I will debate ObamaCare Lincoln-Douglas style.

20:41 EST Mitt: man, I got wrecked on taxes last time, and now RomneyCare. These debates suck.

20:40 EST Santorum: you’re defending a turd.

20:38 EST Mitt: Santorum is wrong, and the people of Mass. favor it 3:1. [Really?]

20:37 EST Santorum: RomneyCare sucked, and we should worry about trusting him when he’s standing by it. And Gingrich has been for an individual mandate. Mitt and Newt don’t have the clear contrast that I do. Wow.

20:34 EST Newt: people don’t trust Congress. To the people: elect Republicans, so the kids can move out and get their own insurance.

20:32 EST Mitt: the Day #1 Executive Order is the beginning, and then follow up with the Congressional repeal. Replacing it with a Bill That Does Not Suck.

20:31 EST Audience: can you really stop ObamaCare?

20:30 EST Newt: my dad went to college on the WWII GI Bill, and the tax cuts that kickstarted the economy. We should emulate it.

20:29 EST Romney: watch me break hard federalist, since Perry ejected. Furthermore we can’t eat BHO’s DoD cuts.

20:26 EST Santorum: veterans should have some preferences. BHO says he will cut benefits and military budget, but not a penny out of social welfare programs. Why does Rick not understand Democrats buying votes?

20:25 EST Paul: if we fix the economy, the veterans would be taken care of. Veterans need medical support.

20:23 EST CNN: should federal government tweak the market in favor of veterans returning from Iraq?

20:22 EST Santorum plays a strong populist capitalism card, in contrast to ‘high finance’. Points to economic squalor from Barack Obama. Rather well played.

20:20 EST Mitt had invested in Dominoes? No wonder “Godfathers” Cain had to be taken down. He’s going to stuff Adam Smith down BHO’s throat. Woo hoo!

20:19 EST Mitt parries the Bain jobs number by pointing to capitalism.

20:18 EST Mitt understands the need to speak slowly, and focus on #OccupyResoluteDesk. Crony capitalism. Solyndra, Keystone XL, NRLB.

20:16 EST Newt is determined to outspeak Ron Paul, going from the Panama Canal to the USACE to ports. My neck nearly snaps. Newt slows down for a gentle Bain drive by.

20:14 EST Ron Paul gets the ball and beats the currency, regulation, policy and mali-investment drums. Washington DC nearly executes evacuation plan.

20:12 EST CNN does Santorum want to take a swing at Newt? No, Rick leaves Newt to the people. Mitt wants to get to the issues. Paul piles on the corporations that run the media. And is proud to have his wife of LV years with him.

20:11 EST CNN has just given Newt a couple of points in the Primary. Newt turns the attack on him into an attack on the ‘elite media’ that is ‘protecting Barack Obama’.

20:09 EST Newt: I am appalled that you would start with that.

20:08 EST CNN: Newt, are you, or have you ever been, a member of the Swinger Party?

20:07 EST Introductions: Santorum celebrates his late Iowa victory, Romney has 16 grandkids, Gingrich is glad to be there, and Ron Paul is the only veteran.

20:05 EST The Citadel cadets, in a surprise attack, win the entire debate with a rocking rendition of the national anthem. Game over, we can all relax.

20:03 EST All four on stage, Santorum looking alive, while the other three stand stiffly.

20:00 EST 35 hours to the SC primary. The intro is fitting for a WWF spectacle. Get some!

19:51 EST Vodka Pundit is drunkblogging.


PREVIOUSLY. . .
Stacy will be in fine form, reporting live from the debate:

Lesser mortals such as myself shall have to settle for live blogging via TV, with the occasional phone-in from RSM.

The polling going into the primary on Saturday has Romney by a carefully positioned follicle over Newt, splitting under a third of the vote each. The Perry departure and endorsement of Newt has the potential to give Gingrich his first taste of triumph thus far. Or not. The Newt Ex-Wives Club is deploying Marianne, unexpectedly, to sandbag him in an ABC interview. Expect a statement from the Romney campaign decrying such tawdry muck-raking in 3. . .2. . .ummm, wait.

Rick Santorum goes into Saturday polling in the caboose, despite the news that the final Iowa result had him winning by 34 votes over Mitt. Welcome to the modern age, Rick, where the facts are less important than whatever news leaked first out of the media diaper.

Slightly ahead of Rick in the SC polls is Ron Paul, featuring some of the best domestic policy ideas around. . .in some of the least electable packaging.

Also happening in SC this week: Herman Cain is to appear with Steven Colbert.

In support of their non-candidacies, this Friday, January 20th at 1:00 P.M. at the Cistern in front of historic Randolph Hall at the College of Charleston, Colbert and Cain will co-hold “THE ROCK ME LIKE A HERMAN CAIN: SOUTH CAIN-OLINA PRIMARY RALLY.” The area will open to guests starting at noon.

and, four days later:

Tea Party Express, the nation’s largest tea party political action committee, is announcing that Herman Cain will be delivering the Tea Party State of the Union response at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., on the evening of January 24th, 2012.

Herman Cain has endorsed “We the People” on CNN, and promises to support the nominee. Reacting to Marianne’s character assassination of Gingrich, he declares her “irrelevant”. Cain says we’re sick of the negativity and lack of focus on issues.
Go, Herman!

U.S. Senator from South Carolina, Lindsey Graham, appearing on CNN, with a ‘highly coveted’ endorsement. . .of no one. It’s your decisiveness we admire. Oh, you’re against SuprePACS. “We’ve got to regulate them.” Hockey puck Linsdsey: why don’t you let people spend money on ads, and viewers make up their own minds? Graham: “The wind is to Newt’s back.”

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  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    @Knappster I hope I live to see day Gitmo is filled with the stinking carcasses of liberal judges. Let’s start with Breyer.

  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    It’s a valid viewpoint up until the time its used to enumerate powers for the federal government over the states where none are expressed in the constitution.

  • Anonymous

    “Decent” is not the same as “stainless”, and it seemed pretty clear to me that this was what Newt was implying. Bonus points for shoving the MSM’s partisan hypocrisy up John King’s (and therefore CNN’s) snout.

  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    How about because they’re a bunch of big government conservatives who spent the eight years following Newt’s ouster screwing the fucking pooch so damn bad they should be shot for beastiality, to say nothing of finally making the GOP electorate so fed up they tossed their fucking asses out of power in 2006?

  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    You don’t know a hell of a lot about women, do you? Women vote their perceived interests, the same as men. If that perception happens to be liberal, that’s how they’ll vote, and if conservative they’ll vote that way. Who Newt sticks his dick in will probably elicit no more of a response than “he must be hung like a fucking horse to get it past that gut.”

  • Anonymous

    Yes, it is. I feel like I am in a twlight zone when I go to places like Rightscoop and read that Santorum is a “big government conservative” … then what the heck is Gingrich with his mandates, global warming, and Al Sharpton palling around? Not to mention all his moves as Speaker when he sought to undermine the conservative caucus by increasing spending in all the approps bills.

  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    Really? Ya reckon he might nuke somebody?

  • Anonymous

    Might we get a follow-up from you, RSM? Newt’s “regret so far” answer about the first 3 months hiring staff to run himself as a traditional candidate and not as the viral, internet and STD kind, that he is, seemed much like a dig at the campaign staff who bailed on him and climbed aboard the SS Perry to “…set sail for a 3 hour [month] tour…” as Gilligan’s (not Griffin’s) theme song telegraphs. I seem to recall one of the prompts of the staff exodus was a Greek cruise ship tour. Any word on the name of that captain? I digress. Please let us know where those now rescued (not a Professor among the bunch) Perry consultants land. One can only hope they continue to make Romney pay top dollar. Thank you.

    P.S. I enjoyed the ham performance of Newt. In fact, Newt and Mitt made me feel right at home, like watching a Bob Hope and Bing Crosby road picture. Bob/Newt hamming it up to the camera for the audience vs. Bing/Mitt with all the best lines that money can buy. (Even money on Mitt releasing an autotune music video before all is said and done, no?) Clearly, Ron Paul needs a rewrite for he kept losing the plot. However, Santorum saved the day with informative detail and holding them accountable for “playing footsies” with those Main Twinsies, Senators Snowe and Collins on the road to $15 trillion in debt over curvacious, faithful Dorothy Lamour. I lost count of how many curve balls Santorum pitched because no one could connect; the clear winner. Santorum’s campaign plays a mean game of Moneyball.

  • Sven

    Stacy’s
    a good writer when he takes his time, and I would much rather read his polished
    take on an event than his notes.

     

    Here’s
    the choice Stacy was offering people with his liveblog of the debate:

     

    A)
    They could watch the debate themselves, and see Newt’s masterfully planned
    handling of the question he knew would be coming. They could see him answer
    John King’s query about whether he wanted to address the “open marriage”
    accusation by saying, “No. But I will” — and then see him glare at King while
    waiting for the applause to die down. They could see Newt reach out — both
    literally and figuratively — to the audience for support, and see the audience
    respond. They could see King try to back-pedal by claiming it wasn’t his idea
    to bring it up, and then see Newt gut him like a fish over the cowardice and
    dishonesty of that dodge. It was great political theater.

     

    Or,

     

    B)
    They could read the 10-word snippet Stacy had time to crank out before going on
    to the next topic: “Newt: I am appalled that you would start with that.”

     

    I
    don’t know anybody who would choose B.

     

    Let
    me put it another way: Suppose some guy comes to your house and says, “Hey,
    your wife wants someone to make love to her. Why don’t you take a walk for an
    hour? I’ll text you every few minutes to let you know how it’s going.” That’s
    the absurdity of liveblogging the TV.

     

    Imagine
    if CNN broadcast only a feed of Wolf Blitzer describing the debate live,
    instead of showing the debate itself. Beyond ridiculous, right? No one would
    tune in for that. And yet just about every news organization did the blog
    equivalent last night: the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, Atlanta
    Journal Constitution, Andrew Sullivan’s The Dish* — even CNN liveblogged it in
    addition to broadcasting it! Who do they think is watching them type for two hours instead of watching the debate?

     

    *I
    pulled up The Dish’s liveblog, and did a double take when I realized something
    was wrong with the page: Sullivan has blurred his name. Touché, Andy. That’s
    real wit.

  • Sven

    Wow. Sorry about the freaky paragraph formatting. Not sure how I did that.

  • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

    Suppose some guy comes to your house and says, “Hey,
    your wife wants someone to make love to her. Why don’t you take a walk for an
    hour? I’ll text you every few minutes to let you know how it’s going.”

    I’d say “Fuck you asshole, can’t you at least give me time to get back with some chips and some beer and let me watch for myself”

  • http://theothermccain.com smitty

    Neither am I, but, as the author of the live blog, except where noted, you should blame Smitty for any luke-warm commentary.

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  • Sven

    My apologies for not giving, ahem, *credit* where it’s due. 
    So, why DO you liveblog the TV? If you can check the traffic stats, I’d love to know: did anyone watch the liveblog during the debate? 

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