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Framing the Narrative: Using Evangelicals as Hook for MSM ‘Mormon Mitt’ Meme

Posted on | April 5, 2012 | 68 Comments

“You watch, they’re going to throw the Mormon church at him like you can’t believe.”
Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, April 3

Just a quick follow-up on last night’s post about the the predictable emergence of an anti-Mormon message in the MSM, which they held back until they thought Mitt Romney was really “inevitable”: A lot of Republicans seem shocked by the suggestion that our tolerant liberal friends would actually employ appeals to religious bigotry against a Republican, and further seem to assume that all Republicans have to do to deflect this is to point it out for the cheap partisan trick it is.

Good luck with that.

Notice how Debbie Wasserman-Schultz disingenuously disavows it:

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz fired back Wednesday at Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch’s claim that Democrats would attack Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith in the fall election, saying the charge was “nonsense” and that the issue of religion was off-limits.
“That is just preposterous,” the Florida Democrat, who chairs the Democratic National Committee . . .
“That suggestion is utter nonsense. Let’s remember that President Obama has had so many things hurled at him — birth certificate questions, whether he is or is not a Christian,” Wasserman said. “For them to suggest that religion will be injected [into the election] by President Obama and the Democratic Party, I mean, I think they need to take a look inward at the accusations that their party and their supporters have hurled before they take that step.”

Translation: “Turnabout is fair play.”

And, while Debbie denies that Obama and the Democrats will themselves “inject” the Mormon issue into the campaign, her pledge doesn’t obligate them to muzzle their media allies, does it?

Unlike Da Tech Tech Guy, who saw this coming long ago, some Republicans were shocked — shocked! — by Lawrence O’Donnell’s Tuesday night anti-Mormon rant. Others were mystified as to why, in an appearance with Jay Leno, Meet the Press host David Gregory casually asserted that Mormonism “is the core of who Mitt Romney is” and — oh, just by the way, Jay — did you know Mitt was actually an LDS bishop?

These remarks by O’Donnell and Gregory were rather unsubtle hints of what our liberal media friends are chatting about amongst themselves, and perhaps some Republicans are too stupid to imagine how this meme might make its way into Serious Journalism. But here’s the trick: Rather than raising the subject themselves, liberals will introduce the topic of Mitt’s Mormonism by referencing criticism from evangelical Christians. This two-birds-with-one-stone tactic gets an early workout today from Tim Murphy at Mother Jones:

The Mormon issue has been dogging Romney since he began his first presidential race five years ago. According to a Gallup poll, 18 percent of Republicans say they wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for president — and it’s not a coincidence that throughout the 2012 contest, Romney’s success has been inversely proportional to the percentage of evangelicals voting in a given state. . . .
[I]n December, [Texas Baptist minister Rick] Scarborough explained in a radio interview that nominating Romney would take the GOP to “a place I don’t want to go.” He continued: “There are some aspects of the doctrines of Mormonism that are so outside the realm of normal theological boundaries that I think it will be a real issue if he got the nomination.” . . .
Bill Keller, a Florida-based internet evangelist who sends his devotional out each morning to some 2.4 million subscribers . . .
“If it’s Romney and Obama, as far as I’m concerned, Satan’s flipping a two-headed coin and his head’s on both sides,” Keller says. There’s no such thing as lesser of two evils. “I hear that from Christians all the time: Well you know we’ll just take the lesser of two evils and hold our nose and vote for the Mormon. And I just try to remind people: The lesser of two evils is still evil.”

Lots more where that came from, including this kick in the head:

And according to Gallup,  liberals are actually more likely to hold Romney’s faith against him — a  full 27 percent say they would never vote for an LDS member.

See what I mean? By using evangelicals as the “hook” to talk about Mitt’s Mormonism, the media cleverly raise an issue that hurts Romney more among secular liberals than it does among religious conservatives. (Dude, if you think Santorum’s Catholicism offends feminists, wait until the media start doing their Serious Journalism coverage of what Mormon doctrine teaches about women.) There are all kinds of angles from which to fit the “Mormon Mitt” meme into the media narrative, and yet some Republicans are so stupid they can’t imagine how the liberal MSM will manage to turn this stuff into legitimate news.

The possible story angles are numerous, the basic materials are plentiful, and how far the media might go with this meme is purely a function of whether they view Romney as a serious threat to Obama in November.

UPDATE: Bill Quick expresses his contempt all religions, without explaining why he supported Newt Gingrich, a professed Catholic. Perhaps Bill believed Newt was never sincere about his Catholicism, but why would anyone doubt Newt’s sincerity?

 

Comments

68 Responses to “Framing the Narrative: Using Evangelicals as Hook for MSM ‘Mormon Mitt’ Meme”

  1. richard mcenroe
    April 5th, 2012 @ 11:30 am

    Here in LA the LDS was one of the biggest supporters of Prop 8, along with the African-American community.  The gays went down into the ‘hood ONCE to protest at black churches, realized that was a potentially life-altering miscalculation, and spent the rest of their time protesting in front of the Mormon temple on Santa Monica.

    Never did hear what they tried to do with the Catholic Hispanics.

  2. ThePaganTemple
    April 5th, 2012 @ 11:34 am

    Looks like I’m going to be engaging in a lot of Mormon apologetics. I can’t believe I’m finding myself in this position.

    I didn’t do it.

  3. Vera Eyzendooren
    April 5th, 2012 @ 11:47 am

    Yes, the Liberals will attack Romney’s religion, we just have to remind them about Harry Reid’s religion. Having said that… I am a Baptist, I go to Baptist church because I believe in the Baptist church doctrine. If they bring a Mormon pastor to lead the congregation, I will definitely change churches. However, when it comes to presidential elections, it is a different story. I am not voting for a pastor. I am voting for a president. My choice for president is Rick Santorum, who is not a Baptist. He is Catholic. His values are the closest to my values. Romney is too Liberal for me. But, if Romney is the nominee, I will support him, defend him, fight for him, and campaign for him. If I can live with Obama for 4 years I can definitely live with Romney for 8 years
    .

  4. SDN
    April 5th, 2012 @ 11:48 am

    Deja vu all over again. 2008 wasn’t enough.

  5. robertstacymccain
    April 5th, 2012 @ 11:53 am

    I can’t believe I’m finding myself in this position.

    Just don’t say I didn’t try to warn you.

    BTW — nobody asked, but perhaps I should explain — that I’m including those Amazon book links about Mormonism because I think some Republicans really don’t know how much stuff is out there. There is a vast library of such books, which means there are numerous authors whose publicists are pitching them to TV producers as “experts” on Mormonism. I’d imagine there is a tsunami of free books and press releases pouring into MSM newsro0oms. The editors, reporters and producers will have plenty to work with when they start doing their in-depth features and five-part series. Trust me.

  6. Chuck
    April 5th, 2012 @ 11:59 am

    Bring
    it on, I say. Let us have a national discussion about the difference
    between being a practicing Mormon and attending an African Klan rally
    every Sunday for twenty years and having your kids “baptized” by a Grand
    Wizard and having your weeding ceremony presided over by that same
    hate-filled, shit-eating bigot.

    Bring it the hell on. I can’t f###ing wait.

     

  7. dwduck
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

    At this point, hell, I’m just happy with anyone who doesn’t think God answers to him.

  8. Datechguy's Blog » Blog Archive » More Media Mormonism, the shock continues » Datechguy's Blog
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:14 pm

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  9. Tennwriter
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

    But it ain’t gonna be like that.  Obama’s past is off limits.

  10. ThePaganTemple
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

     All I know is, Mormons have been valiant allies for conservative causes, so conservatives owe it to them to come to their defense against such unfair attacks, regardless of how they feel about Mitt. Even if some of the attacks have some merit (like the belief you can become a God of your own planet), its so unfair and unjust.

    Sure, there have been some liberal Mormons, like Harry Reid (and even he is Pro-Life and Pro 2nd Amendment), but by and large they have to be something like three to one conservative at the very least. I’m going to say it’s probably more like eighty percent, and even that might be a conservative estimate.

    And like I said, its not like they can’t come up with attacks on Santorum, over and above his Catholicism. Which, by the way, Catholics are predominantly liberal, maybe as much as two thirds. And then like somebody else pointed out, there is Opus Dei, who I personally have no problem with, nor do I have a problem with any Catholics. I just wish certain ones like your beloved Ricky Poo would get it out of their heads that my Protestant friends and neighbors need to adhere to the Pope’s teachings.

    Again, THAT CRAP is probably what cost him Ohio.

    I didn’t do it. HE put me in this position. I didn’t. You didn’t need to warn me. You should have warned him.

  11. spot_the_dog
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:32 pm

    I dislike the idea of Romney as President for a lot of reasons.  His personal religious beliefs are not among them.  I’ve met Mormons both in Australia and the US, and none of them have been anything but unfailingly civil, polite and civic-minded.

    Oh, wait.  Now I see why more than a quarter of American liberals hate them…

  12. Shelleys Playtime
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:37 pm

     I can’t and won’t defend Mitts religion (unless of course I see something that I know is a lie) but I will defend his right to believe in it AND that he isn’t going to make everyone conform to it IF elected.

  13. ThePaganTemple
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:40 pm

     Not to the people with computers who want to know about it. You put too much stock in the mainstream media. Everybody knows they’re a fucking joke. Why do you think “news”papers and “news” magazines like the New York Times and Newsweek has been hemorrhaging subscribers these past ten years or more?

  14. Shelleys Playtime
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:42 pm

     We had computers in 2008…

  15. Brad Swarm
    April 5th, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

    I don’t doubt that Democrats are going to try this, I just don’t see any traction.

    The two groups that will get on the Mormon hating bandwagon are

    A ) Liberals that hate ALL organized religion

    B)  Southern Evangelicals (as you saw in Southern primaries)

    The first group votes Democrat all the time regardless and the 2nd group will hold their nose (and also likely believes Obama is a closet Muslim)  Do you really see a single state in the Old South going for Obama?

    One thing Democrats should concern themselves with the Mormon bashing is, Mormons are REALLY good at writing checks, if they go down this road, I could EASILY see an extra $300 million walking through the door from LDS money alone.  You want to know why gay marriage went down in California?  You can thank Mormon fundraising.

  16. robertstacymccain
    April 5th, 2012 @ 1:28 pm

    Look: I like Mitt. I met his son and one of his granddaughters out in Iowa in August. Nice folks, and I’ve known many of the Romney campaign staff since the 2010 Scott Brown race, which was mainly run by Mitt’s people. But they’ve never gone up against Team O, and there are numerous indications that Mitt’s “electability” is going to evaporate like a puddle in the summer sun as soon as the Dems open up with their big guns.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but we’ll just have to wait and see.

  17. The Liberal Media Has a Religion Problem | The Lonely Conservative
    April 5th, 2012 @ 1:31 pm

    […] point to stress that Morminism is “at the core of who Mitt Romney is.” But just because it’s expected doesn’t mean it’s right.Remember, the progressive media has no problem with Harry Reid […]

  18. ThePaganTemple
    April 5th, 2012 @ 1:34 pm

     But most people didn’t have a clue how bad Obama was going to be, and John “I’m going to suspend my campaign because I think you’re all stupid enough to think it will prove I’m a great public servant”  McCain didn’t give them enough of a reason to worry about it.

  19. ThomasD
    April 5th, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

     The thing is, nobody need trust you on this.

    All the background material is out there, for anyone who cares to take a moment and look.  Just use Bing fer cryin’ out loud and see how much ‘ex’ or ‘former’ Mormon stuff there is out there.  They’ll make Scientology look good.

    And then there is all the corroboration of the warning signs you’ve noted.  Hell, we’ve seen it right here in the comment threads on this blog – people trying to play up the evangelical vs. Mormon angle in states like Louisiana, or the Catholic angle in states where they’re a big bloc.   Anyone who has been paying the slighest bit of attention could not miss it (at least not without some willful intent.)  The Dems are just itching to unload this stuff.

  20. Shelleys Playtime
    April 5th, 2012 @ 1:53 pm

     Mitt doesn’t share your love of the new media. ~~He said “Frankly, in some of the new media, I find myself missing the presence of editors to exercise quality control.”~~ Interesting huh? There is more at THE HILL…

  21. ThomasD
    April 5th, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

     “… so conservatives owe it to them to come to their defense against such unfair attacks…”

    Who the hell do you think you are fooling?  Owe Romney a defense from unfair or dishonest attacks????

    http://bostoncatholicinsider.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/did-romney-lie-about-cardinal-omalley-to-the-nation-during-the-wednesday-debate/

    Romney made his own bed, now he gets the (heh) lie in it.

  22. ThomasD
    April 5th, 2012 @ 1:59 pm

     We can still call out lying sacks for being the lying sacks they are, all without ever needing to defend Romney (or his lying sacks…)

  23. chuck coffer
    April 5th, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

     We also had the shittiest republican candidate in the history of the country running against brakabama. John McCain was good on paper, but he sucked ass on the campaign trail.

  24. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    April 5th, 2012 @ 2:40 pm

    Here is my comment to DaTechGuy who is saying essentiall the same thing you are:  

    So are you saying because there is so much material to work with, we should not ever have a Mormon nominee because he or she would be vilified and lose? Or is it just Romney?
    And if Rick Santorum managed to win a few more primaries and was the front runner and the presumptive nominee, you do not think he would be vilified for his “radical” Catholic Opus Dei ties? It would be similar to the lies that they used to vilify Sarah Palin in 2008. It does not matter who the GOP candidate is, Alexrod and his media allies will unleash everything they have to save their grip on political power. It is going to get vicious. It will be based on lies.
    I am not a fan of Mitt Romney over some of his policies and past positions. I did not care for the attacks by Romney against other GOP candidates. But I still consider him far better than Barack Obama and any problems I have with Mitt are not based on his LDS faith. I will defend him when he attacked for being LDS. Your suggestion that Romney’s faith is now the “bed” we have to find comfortable is very depressing. It is defeatist and it is wrong. What we should be doing as Republicans is defending our candidates when they are wrongly attacked over faith. Even if that candidate is not the one you supported in the primaries.
    And every time they attack Romney over the Mormon faith 150 years ago, we turn it back on them and attack about Barack Obama sitting in Jeremiah Wright’s church as late as four years ago. Or bring up Obama’s radical ties to Ayers and others.

    The left are liars.  They will lie about Romney and throw at him anything they think will work.  We as Republicans and conservatives need to fight back at this:  Be it directed at Romney, Santorum, Rush, Palin, etc.  The Right were cowards in failing to defend Palin (remember Breitbart’s comments on that).  

  25. ThomasD
    April 5th, 2012 @ 2:41 pm

     Deja Vu indeed, look at the first two sources named in this article – Dan Schnur and Steve Schmidt, the ass clowns who did so much for the McCain campaign.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/republicans-prepare-for-the-romney-pivot

  26. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    April 5th, 2012 @ 2:42 pm
  27. Adjoran
    April 5th, 2012 @ 2:45 pm

    Through the looking glass and into the world where the media and Obama will attack Romney’s Mormonism, but would have only nice things to say about Santorum.

    Some people might interpret “just getting the information out there” as about as subtle as the 9/11 Truthers “just asking questions.”

    The whole thing is best covered by the final conversation between the Mormon kid and Stan Marsh on South Park:

    Gary: [to Stan] Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life. and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don’t care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that’s stupid, I still choose to believe in it. All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you’re so high and mighty you couldn’t look past my religion and just be my friend back. You’ve got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls.
    [walks away]

    Eric: Damn, that kid is cool, huh?

  28. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    April 5th, 2012 @ 2:45 pm

    ThomasD, if you want Obama so be it.  But that is what you are doing.  

    I am no fan of Romney’s campaign style (or Newt’s for that matter).  Unfortunately Santorum is not going to be the nominee.  But if Romney does go with Paul Ryan as his running mate (because I think Rubio may have convinced them he is not seeking the Veep Spot)–I will be defending Mitt from the Axelrod attack machine.  

  29. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    April 5th, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

    Absolutely right.  And we should respond back with Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers every time they do it.  We should be confronting Harry Reid on every LDS attack (he was a convert btw, not born into it like Romney).  We have to fight back.  Even if you hate Romney, we can’t roll over when they attack our candidates and pundits.  

  30. Shelleys Playtime
    April 5th, 2012 @ 3:22 pm

    “*…where the media and Obama will attack Romney’s Mormonism, but would have only nice things to say about Santorum.”

    ~~Oh Luuuucy, you some splainin’ to do~~

    Are you really assuming Rick supporters do not realize that his religion would be attacked? Really? Are you kidding me? Christians & Catholics are constantly ridiculed so your comment is really insulting if that is what you are insinuating. Let me splain something to you as a (now) Rick supporter and speaking only for myself… the difference I see between a rabid Mitt supporter (& I do not mean the ones who came kicking & screaming) and a Rick supporter is that we KNOW what the attacks will be for Rick on his record and his religion. Mitt supporters think Mitts sh** doesn’t stink. They do not acknowledge that his record or religion is going to give the left bunches and bunches of ammo to tear him apart with. THEY are the ignorant ones who put him atop a pedestal just as the Obama supporters do with Obama, and THIS is only the begining, and IF he is in fact the nominee THIS will be his downfall…

  31. Ehancock
    April 5th, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

    Romney, a Mormon, was elected governor in liberal Massachusetts. 

  32. ThomasD
    April 5th, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

      No.  That is not what I am doing. 

    Or do you really subscribe to the notion that the enemy of your enemy is
    by necessity your friend?  Are you really that
    Manichean in your worldview?

    Didn’t think so.

    Regardless, Obama is not the be all, end all of this struggle.  He is
    but an avatar of a more pernicious problem.  One that Romney will do
    nothing to correct.  So for that, and his own dishonesty and the
    fundamental lack of integrity he and his people have displayed, I will 
    decline to support him.

    As I’ve noted elsewhere, once can continue to attack Obama and his ilk,
    and oppose all they stand for yet decline to be enlisted in the cause of
    Romney and the GOPE.

  33. ThomasD
    April 5th, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

    Here’s the rub though.

    Romney is a liar too.

    He lied in the debates about what Romneycare did to the Catholic church.

    Never mind all the smears his PACs unleashed on the other primary candidates.

    So, while I stood up for Palin, and I’ve stood up for others I will not be standing up for Romney and the ruling class overlords who expect us to all fall in line behind their annointed one.

    Perhaps all those ‘smart’ people in the GOPE should have thought this one through?

  34. ThePaganTemple
    April 5th, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

     Have you ever heard Mitt or any other Mormon say that any member of any other denomination that, for example, drank caffeine or alcohol or smoked cigarettes, or didn’t wear Magic Underwear or didn’t otherwise adhere to the Book of Mormon was not a sincere Christian?

    I know I haven’t. And I damn sure have never heard any Mormon suggest that anyone else should conform to their religion.

    I don’t care what kind of crazy shit anybody believes as long as they don’t fuck with me or mine, and as long as they are competent to do the job they’re elected to do, in Mitt’s case. What’s important isn’t whether you think mankind fell into sin because one bitch ate an apple, or whether you think you can become a god of your own planet. What’s important is how you live your life according to the important articles of faith that really define it, like the Beatitudes, etc.

    So yeah, I’ll defend Mitt’s religion. Every day and twice on Sunday if need be.

  35. ThePaganTemple
    April 5th, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

     But it wouldn’t be about Christians and Catholics, it would be about HIM.

  36. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    April 5th, 2012 @ 6:49 pm

    I hear you.  Most Mormons I meet are very nice people (not all, but most).  Do I agree with it as a religion?  No, that is why I am not a Mormon.  But I would sure prefer a  Mormon in the White House than a liberal-progressive liar like Barack Obama.  

  37. Shelleys Playtime
    April 5th, 2012 @ 6:51 pm

    So let me get this straight. Christians and Catholics can not be separated from their faiths but Mormons can? I am curious… What about Muslims?

  38. ThomasD
    April 5th, 2012 @ 7:09 pm

    You are really not helping yourself (or Romney) with that line of argumentation.

    You won’t hear Mormons arguing about who is a ‘good Christian’ because they know full well that is a fight they would lose.

    Christianity is exclusively monotheistic.

    Mormonism is not.

    Period, end of story.

    They call themselves followers of Christ,  and nobody really minds, but start that fight about what is and isn’t Christianity and people will start to mind.  So, they don’t.

  39. Bob Belvedere
    April 5th, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

    I’m not surprised – it’s as Stacy predicted.

    Willard has a lot of problems – including his serial changing of his positions, his dullness, his inability to give an inspiring speech, his campaign tactics, Romneycare, etc. – that are much more important than Mormonsim.  However, it does not help him out at all that – and any truthful person will admit this – when people hear just the honest Truth about Mormonism, their first reactions is, ‘Well, their rather strange and odd, aren’t they’.

  40. Bob Belvedere
    April 5th, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

    And what’s in those sacks?  Hmmm?

  41. Bob Belvedere
    April 5th, 2012 @ 7:21 pm

    Also, that ‘Happy Happy Joy Joy’ attitude they all seem to have creeps some people out.

    South Park did a hilarious episode on this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_About_Mormons

  42. Bob Belvedere
    April 5th, 2012 @ 7:26 pm

    He ran against a Martha Coakley-like disaster of a Democratic candidate named Shannon O’Brien.

  43. Ehancock
    April 5th, 2012 @ 7:42 pm

     Yes, he caught a break. But IF Massachusetts was really bigoted against Mormons, he would not have won no matter how bad his opponent was.

    Then he served as governor, and during that time there was no discussion of his religion. Nobody, so far as I know, speculated about his policies on taxes or prisons or education or healthcare stemming from his Mormon religion.

    That being the case, it is highly unlikely that liberals will make in an issue in the campaign. Sure,  there will be articles because the LDS religion is not very well understood–but it is doubtful that that coverage will change many votes. Yes,  there will be people who will not vote for him because of his religion–but they would not have anyway.

  44. ThePaganTemple
    April 5th, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

     So you tell me, does Rick Santorum speak for the Roman Catholic Church, or for Catholics in general when he says the stupid fucking things he says, like about Protestants who don’t tow the Catholic line in every detail? I sure as hell hope not.

    No, the kind of criticism he would rightly get for that would be aimed at him, not at Catholics or the Church itself, unless there are other individual cases where that shoe fits.

  45. Alborn
    April 5th, 2012 @ 7:54 pm

    So I guess none of the 27% lived in Navada and voted for Harry Reid. There are Mormoms of all stripes just like there are non-catholic catholics and non-christian christians and self hating jews. The slogan has to be anyone but OBLAMER. I think we can win some of the Protestants over who say they would not vote for a Mormon to vote against O.

  46. Shelleys Playtime
    April 5th, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

     So I should ‘roll over’ FOR Romney, but not roll over when he is attacked…lolol (sorry, tickled my funny bone)

  47. Adobe_Walls
    April 5th, 2012 @ 8:37 pm

    Every thing you say about Romney is true and worse, but it is crucial that we get rid of Obamsky. Not because Romney will be much better he won’t, he’ll at best be marginally better. Adjoran is right when he says that if Obamsky is reelected he will have the opportunity to appoint at least one more Bolshevik to the high court. Not Romney’s appointments will be much better particularly if the Bolsheviks retain 41 seats in the Senate. Romney won’t issue the outrageous and unconstitutional executive orders that Obamsky has but he’ll do nothing to reverse a century of subversion, even Reagan didn’t make that much progress in that regard. So if/when Romney gets the nomination and by some miracle doesn’t blow it and gets elected we shall have to remain in opposition. It might even be effective as it has not been opposing Obamsky. This is the best we can do at least until the “cold civil war” becomes hot. 

  48. Adobe_Walls
    April 5th, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

    If Harry Reid is representative of Mormonism maybe we should hold that against Romney. For that matter does anybody dem or republican care what Harry Reid purports to be most Bolsheviks are atheists?

  49. Adobe_Walls
    April 5th, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

    Your talking about an electorate who wouldn’t vote for McCain because Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house and that gave her foreign policy expertise.
    In any case did Romney actually have any power in Massachusetts without the consent of the democratic legislature. He teamed up with Ted Kennedy to get extra federal funding for masscare and put a cap on non-green electrical production which forced the state to by more expensive electricity elsewhere while production dropped 20% (not sure about that number but it was significant) cost consumers a load of money.

  50. Ford Prefect
    April 5th, 2012 @ 10:33 pm

    The problem with Mitt is that he’s an enigma to those who know Mormon doctrine.  He was a bishop in his church so one would assume that he is a devout follower and would do everything he can to make sure he makes it into heaven based on Smith’s writings. 

    The central theme of the LDS church is “good works”.  Fail to do them and you go to hell.

    So given that, what explains the huge amount of outright evil the Romney campaign has undertaken against his rivals? A scorched earth policy doesn’t become a “good” Mormon. So I’m left to assume that Mitt wants to be the nominee more than he wants to go to heaven.