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‘Male Feminist’ Admits Well-Known Truth: ‘Male Feminists’ Are Scum

Posted on | December 19, 2014 | 58 Comments

The more any normal person knows about feminism, the less inclined they are to call themselves a feminist. This is obviously true for women — does the name “Joyce Trebilcot” ring a bell? — but is doubly true for males. Sure, everybody sees what’s up when some guy in Hollywood or a powerful Democrat politician ostentatiously panders to feminists. It’s noblesse oblige and also good for business.

However, when a random dude goes out of his way to show what a Heroic Feminist Ally he is, you know he’s some kind of creep. Last year, Professor Hugo Schwarz was exposed as a dangerous psycho. Now a “diversity consultant” named Jamie Utt confronts reality:

The first time a woman told me she distrusted me because I’m a man, she tried to explain that it wasn’t personal, that she’s not been given many reasons to trust me (or any man for that matter). She said she’s especially skeptical of me because I called myself a feminist.
That last part really threw me for a loop. She didn’t even really know me! And I’m a good guy!
Fast-forward a few years and how can I blame her? Male “feminist” allies have a history of abusing women’s trust.
For fear of making the movement look bad, the male “allies” of the Occupy Wall Street movement stood silent when multiple women came forward after having been sexually assaulted by other “Occupiers.”
After being lauded and defended by many (including myself) as a model for how to be a better man, Hugo Schwyzer was exposed to be a racist, abusive liar (as if many women of Color hadn’t been saying so all along).
Charles Clymer has been exposed as abusive and self-serving as he attempts to brand himself a “feminist” hero of some kind. . . .

You can read the rest of that. The case of Charles Clymer — a guy I’d never heard of before — is particularly interesting:

A while back I wrote about fake allies — specifically, Charles Clymer, a cis white dude who used to run a popular Facebook page called “Equality for Women” but shut it down amidst accusations that, among other things, he was deleting comments from and banning women who questioned his views or the way he ran the page. And then there was his abusive verbal flaying of Stephanie Kay in a private conversation that went public a year or so ago and revealed the dude beneath the Perfect Feminist Ally act. It didn’t help that when called on that tirade, Clymer basically stood by his remarks and went on to admit — almost proudly — that his goal is to become a professional Feminist Leader. And he dug himself in deeper when, following the many accusations leveled at him directly and via the #StopClymer hashtag (by nearly every woman who had been a moderator at the EFW Facebook page, among others), he tweeted promising to address his “mistakes” with an apology and dropped off the Internet for several weeks. When he reappeared, he deleted the aforementioned tweet and went back to promoting the “Charles Clymer: Feminist Ally” brand.

On his Twitter profile, Clymer describes himself as “Army Vet + Feminist + LGBTQ,” and yeah, whatever. The #StopClymer hashtag has been going strong for months, because Clymer is a very predictable kind of douchebag, the progressive male so arrogant as to think the feminist movement needs males for . . . well, anything.

Progressive male thinks he can get “credibility” points by quoting bell hooks on his Twitter profile? Might as well try seppuku.

Any male who believes the feminist movement needs his volunteer assistance should first ask himself, “Do I hate myself enough?”

It takes a profound masochistic tendency for any male to support a movement that regards all men as complicit in rape, and views heterosexuality as oppression imposed on females by the patriarchy.

Still, Jamie Utt attempts to reconcile himself to obsolescence:

If you’ve been socialized in dominant constructions of gender in the US (and many other parts of the “Western” world for that matter), no matter how much you try to be an ally, you’re going to screw up.
This is because it takes tremendous work on self for those socialized into privilege to fight that socialization. . . .
I’ve done the mental backflips necessary to justify my sexist, chauvinist, anti-feminist behavior while calling myself “feminist.” There have been times when I’ve been terrible to women. There are still times when I live more fully in my patriarchal socialization than in my feminist values.
So the work of ending abuse committed by “feminist” men must inevitably mean that I start with myself.

You’re embarrassing yourself, dude.

All feminists are insane, but “male feminists” are a special kind of crazy.

 

Comments

58 Responses to “‘Male Feminist’ Admits Well-Known Truth: ‘Male Feminists’ Are Scum”

  1. richard mcenroe
    December 19th, 2014 @ 9:11 pm

    They should start with themselve but they never do. Like the wife’s cousin who says we should end out white privilege…from his house in Hawaii…

  2. RS
    December 19th, 2014 @ 9:12 pm

    These types are basically the new versions of those guys who would debase themselves in order to get laid. Being a “Male Feminist” is the functional equivalent of sitting through a chick flick or pretending to enjoy your girlfriend’s ballet recital.

  3. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    December 19th, 2014 @ 9:24 pm
  4. richard mcenroe
    December 19th, 2014 @ 9:29 pm

    The last chick flick I sat thru at least gave me Kate Upton in a bikini…

  5. joethefatman
    December 19th, 2014 @ 9:32 pm

    Same thought I had.

    Just a masochist looking for a sadist for some tough love.

  6. RKae
    December 19th, 2014 @ 9:37 pm

    And then there are guys like me who actually LIKE ballet and Jane Austen flicks!

    I’m tellin’ ya: When you don’t have to fake it, it’s a great thing!

  7. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    December 19th, 2014 @ 10:04 pm

    That is male creativity: Define a Three Stooges remake as a “chick flick” and embrace it!

  8. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    December 19th, 2014 @ 10:05 pm

    He is probably one of those guys who complain the locals are marring his favorite beach.

  9. Adobe_Walls
    December 19th, 2014 @ 10:18 pm

    ”If you’ve been socialized in dominant constructions of gender in the US (and many other parts of the “Western” world for that matter),”

    Is he suggesting the non-Western world is less ”socialized in the dominant construction of gender”? Saudi Arabia perhaps.

  10. Adobe_Walls
    December 19th, 2014 @ 10:19 pm

    Was that in a theater or an online video at Theo Spark?

  11. Jeff
    December 19th, 2014 @ 10:23 pm

    Agreed. It’s so unbelievable just how dumb these people are. I’d say more but it really isn’t any deeper than that.

  12. richard mcenroe
    December 19th, 2014 @ 11:54 pm

    It was that three-chicks-seeking-revenge-on-guy-who-jilted-them-all one…

  13. Fail Burton
    December 20th, 2014 @ 12:40 am

    I love that part I always hear about the “Western” ideas of gender, as if Bolivia and Indonesia have 6 sexes and maybe gender-fluid-mud wrestling too.

    Utt reminds me of a Jewish guy who takes on guilt for whatever some Aryan says the worst Jewish criminal does, says Jews can do better and should be better “allies” for Aryans. It’s that type of response to feminist attacks that highlights the racist and supremacist nature of those attacks in the first place. Denounce your identity as a whole and devote yourself to putting it at the service of another identity which hates it.

    Utt has no idea how revealing his comments are when it comes to understanding this neo-Nazi-like cult because he shows us what the other side of hate speech is by giving us insight to how he defines what he must do. It’s like taking a tour of a POW camp with the guards watching. The problem is Utt is so well-trained he need not have guards about.

  14. jakee308
    December 20th, 2014 @ 12:54 am

    Feminist males. Let’s call them what they really are; Masochists.

  15. Adobe_Walls
    December 20th, 2014 @ 1:05 am

    I thought the goal of feminism was to become lesbians

  16. K-Bob
    December 20th, 2014 @ 1:44 am

    The K-Missus hears me explain why James Bond movies are “chick flicks” often enough that she can quote me.

  17. Zohydro
    December 20th, 2014 @ 2:16 am

    I may denounce your choices in entertainment but I must acknowledge your immense cojones in being able to publicly confess to them here!

  18. DeadMessenger
    December 20th, 2014 @ 2:32 am

    Are you married? Um…a friend of mine is asking.

  19. DeadMessenger
    December 20th, 2014 @ 2:41 am

    First off, Utt: 100% testicle-free. They are either shriveled like raisins, or completely receded. A “diversity consultant”? What man admits to that douchebaggery? These are the idiots we openly mock when our employer tries to jam some sort of ill-advised “diversity training” down our throats. My cat, who is fixed, has bigger doodles than Jamie Utt, I’m sorry to say. His father must be so proud…

    Second, Clymer: Claims to be “LGBTQ”. Is that even physically possible? He should be arrested by the moron police, and as punishment, forced to learn how to rebuild some transmissions (I almost said “trannies” but I know y’all, and you’re messed up) and carburators, and made to attend the Daytona Turkey Run until he learns how to be a man.

    Cripes. We ARE living in a fallen world.

  20. Durasim
    December 20th, 2014 @ 2:47 am

    Based on Jamie Utt’s demeanor and credentials and his reference to his “loving partner,” I would have figured him as gay. But he does let slip the gender of his “partner” when he says “So you can imagine my loving partner’s response when I told her…”

    https://everydayfeminism.com/2014/02/healing-power-of-community/

    Utt is just trying to be the proper enlightened male by using the term “partner.” It is now considered bad form for a male to indicate his heterosexuality. It seems the only people who can use the terms “girlfriend” or “wife” now are lesbians.

    As disgusting and venal as Hugo Schwyzer is, what distinguished him from other male feminists was that he was somewhat successful as a cad. And some feminists even seemed to fall for his “charm.” Even when he admitted that he tried to kill a fellow drug-addict girlfriend in some pathetic attempted murder-suicide, some feminists still defended him, like Amanda Marcotte. Amanda Marcotte will denounce a teenage boy because he made a youtube video asking out Kate Upton. But she’ll defend a man who actually tried to kill a woman.

    Most other internet male feminists, like David Futrelle, Barry Deutsch, or Jeffe Fecke, are exactly as you would expect a “mangina” to be.

  21. DeadMessenger
    December 20th, 2014 @ 2:48 am

    I’m sorry, but I could still be interested in a dude who pretends to dig a chick flick because he wants to get some. He’s keepin’ it real, in a way. But a “dude” who claims to be a male feminist, never. Frankly, that’s like saying you have no testosterone (and ladies, we know what testosterone enhances, don’t we?)

  22. Fail Burton
    December 20th, 2014 @ 2:58 am

    “Charles Clymer @cmclymer · Dec 18 Emphasis: don’t want to label yourself a feminist? Fine, but don’t claim feminism oppresses you as a male, which has no basis in reality.”

    Notice the subtle straw man there? It’s like saying I shouldn’t oppose crime until I’m a victim or that black people shouldn’t oppose the now marginalized KKK until the KKK rise to power again. Virtually no man is being “oppressed” by feminism. The issue is it’s not for their lack of trying. Gender feminists engage in hate speech, and you’ll pardon me if I don’t sit around and wait for the results before I nip it in the bud.

    He’s also saying men have to be oppressed as a group before I can complain, as if equal protection is a team sport. What a moron. He shouldn’t be able to vote.

  23. Durasim
    December 20th, 2014 @ 3:01 am

    It is a common assumption that male homosexuals must be natural feminist “allies” or considered lower on the rank of feminist enemies because they do not want to have sex with women.

    But strangely enough, some homosexual males have been taking some shots against feminism. Like the MRA author Jack Donovan or Milo Yiannopoulos from Breitbart.com. Yiannopoulos pointed out:

    “Straight young men simply don’t want to know any more. They’re not getting involved. Some women, too, horrified by what lesbianised third-wave feminism claims to do in their name, opt out of the argument. The absurd result is that geeks, queers and dykes are dominating the discussion about how men and women should interact. Jack Donovan, for example, is gay, as is your present correspondent. It’s as if gays are the only men left prepared to fight masculinity’s corner.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/09/the-sexodus-part-2-dishonest-feminist-panics-leave-male-sexuality-in-crisis/

  24. RKae
    December 20th, 2014 @ 3:36 am

    Yup. And get this: I am actually the one responsible for turning my wife into a Jane Austen freak. She had never heard of Austen before she met me.

    I’m an English lit nut, and actually much more of a Thomas Hardy fan.

  25. Daniel Freeman
    December 20th, 2014 @ 3:40 am

    So sad, all those poor lesbians trapped in the bodies of male feminists

  26. RKae
    December 20th, 2014 @ 3:41 am

    When it comes to marriage (and even just a serious relationship), it’s not a matter of faking it, but more a matter of respect.

    My wife made me go to Barry Manilow (among others) and I made her go to Jethro Tull (among others). And we never roll our eyes and groan. We say, “If you like this, then it’s OK by me.” In the end, I find that Manilow is a fun and very self-deprecating entertainer. (He says things like “I realize half of you were dragged here tonight against your will.”) Meanwhile, my wife enjoys watching Ian Anderson go insane with his flute.

    Give and take.

  27. Adjoran
    December 20th, 2014 @ 3:49 am

    More likely he complains about tourists.

    The worst are beachfront homeowners. Buy a house at the high-water mark (in most states, the legal limit of private property), and a guy thinks he owns the freaking ocean.

  28. Adjoran
    December 20th, 2014 @ 3:56 am

    Used to hate Manilow until dragged to a show, the guy is a real pro entertainer. A memorable concert moment when he did his famous medley of commercial jingles he wrote and the whole crowd sang along.

    Tull has always been a great show, although most of the later years’ tours were mainly the same Greatest Hits list. But when Ian was young, he was like a crazed acrobatic drum major on steroids and caffeine. People wouldn’t believe some of the moves and throws. But he didn’t work on the fitness like Jagger.

  29. Adjoran
    December 20th, 2014 @ 4:04 am

    Good thing Orwell didn’t include the modern feminist ideology and tactics in 1984 or Animal Farm, it would have made them unbelievable.

    But as McCain has been detailing, the feminists have pretty much been this berserk from the beginning. But there are more of the most committed/in need of civil commitment types nowadays, so it’s more out front.

    I expect the book to be a detailed and comprehension exposition of the feminist folly, and advise the publisher to consider a promotional partnership with Mark Rippetoe, because we’re going to need dead lifting practice just to pick the thing up at the bookstore.

  30. DeadMessenger
    December 20th, 2014 @ 4:22 am

    Yeah, you know, my husband and I have been married for 30 years, and we just renewed our vows last month. It just keeps getting better and better. I dig Jane Austen and Louisa May Alcott and Nathaniel Hawthorne, and because I say it’s awesome, and he trusts and respects me, he suspends disbelief, and we both get into it.

    I was raised on a remote farm with four brothers, so I also dig cars and motorcycles and action flicks, so we connect there totally. I’m a “little bit country” and he’s a “little bit rock & roll” (apologies to Donny and Marie), but I play guitar, mandolin and harmonica, and he plays bass, so we’re totally compatible there, too.

    Funny thing: when we met, we had nothing in common, really, except…you know (eyebrow wiggle)…but in the fullness of time, we’ve grown together and merged and aged like fine Scotch (Glenmorangie, please) and I feel sorry for couples who have not grown emotionally and spiritually like we have.

    Sounds like you and your wife have, too, God bless you. Hope to see you both in the Kingdom one day.

  31. DeadMessenger
    December 20th, 2014 @ 4:32 am

    Ian Anderson: seriously, how often can you dig rock & roll flute?

    But…

    We have this Irish pub nearby, Molly Maguire’s? Have some bangers and mash, knock back some shots of Jameson’s, and groove on some live Irish flutes and fiddles, played by guys and gals just sitting in, nothing formal…man, not much better’n that.

  32. PeterP
    December 20th, 2014 @ 9:44 am

    The only male feminists I respect are the ones who do it to get laid. I’ve even tried that tactic myself a few times, in addition, of course, to the staples of astronaut, hockey goalie and Hollywood casting director.

  33. GrandsonOGrumpus
    December 20th, 2014 @ 10:38 am

    Congratulations on passing the 30yr mark!
    It’s a wonderful high?water in a pair of shared lives all too rare now— and that caused by society’s inculcating the fallacy that making marriage “disposable” was the cure to all the troubles a couple face together while building a strong marriage!

    Again: Congratulations!
    (…this time from both The Wife and I— she just looked over the top of her book at my tablet & read what I was responding to, asking me to include her…)

  34. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    December 20th, 2014 @ 11:49 am
  35. Fail Burton
    December 20th, 2014 @ 12:04 pm

    Feminists talk about men the way the KKK talks about Jews. In Nazi Germany no Jew did a single thing to a non-Jew yet it was perceived not only that such individuals existed but that it was always a negative interaction and represented all Jews as a collective. There was never a positive interaction. For a Jew to do that meant they weren’t really Jewish or that they were a “good Jew.”

    No man is doing anything to Jessica Valenti or Amanda Marcotte; they are paranoids and hate mongers. Such women give men no peace. In the real world a flasher or a rapist is called a criminal and treated as such. In the feminist world such men are typical men, and there are no typical men in a positive sense – EVER. Anything positive a man does is assigned to them as a human trait, not male, and they become an “ally.” For feminists men are a collective threat based on the most spurious of claims. It is a meticulously constructed world of hate and fear against a collective enemy

    Talking about groups in such a way and in a manner that is negative 100% of the time is sheer paranoia. There is no sign of a supremacist collective of heterosexual men aiming to discomfit women, and if there were there would be no reason to assign that group as being all men and heterosexuals any more than there would be to see black criminals or the New Black Panther Party as representing all blacks. For the Dept. of Justice and college presidents and other do-gooders to take on such obviously paranoid fears and defamation is stunningly stupid. Whoever this Clymer is he should consider he is a useful idiot that has been gulled into promoting hate speech.

    As for that bell hooks quote, it reads like something straight out of George Orwell’s 1984.

  36. Matt_SE
    December 20th, 2014 @ 12:15 pm

    I think that attitude must be very common in “male feminists.” The power of the V cannot be denied.
    Or alternately, the weakness of the D.

  37. Matt_SE
    December 20th, 2014 @ 12:20 pm

    Those most willing to fight are those with the least to lose.

  38. JeffS
    December 20th, 2014 @ 1:01 pm

    So … … .. a “Male Feminist” is just a subset of “Beta Male”, right?

    That ‘splains a lot.

  39. richard mcenroe
    December 20th, 2014 @ 1:16 pm

    Heck, in my salad days I used to be a sponsor of the Twyla Tharp dance company. Never stopped me from reading Guns & Ammo though.

  40. richard mcenroe
    December 20th, 2014 @ 1:17 pm

    So does Poppa sing bass, and Mama sing tenor?

  41. richard mcenroe
    December 20th, 2014 @ 1:21 pm

    The gender fluids are exactly why I never got into mud-wrestling. Some folks get a little too involved, if you know what I mean.

  42. Jim R
    December 20th, 2014 @ 2:21 pm

    I’ve heard of dudes doing some really, really desperate thing to get laid, but this takes the cake.

  43. Jim R
    December 20th, 2014 @ 3:08 pm

    It all ties in to the basic idea behind Critical Race Theory and Male / White Privilege: the individual hasn’t got to do a thing to “offend”. Indeed, the concept of “microaggressions” specifically addresses people who offend without the slightest ill intent.

    This is what our kids are learning in college.

  44. Fail Burton
    December 20th, 2014 @ 4:05 pm

    Any rhetoric about an ethnic group numbering in its millions that always comes to the same negative conclusion is just gibberish to disguise sheer hatred. To do that to half the planet – men – flies off into insanity. This cult is creepy, dangerous and disturbing. As someone here said recently, the stuff that male feminist is Tweeting sounded better in the original German. It is dehumanizing scapegoating language.

  45. Daniel Freeman
    December 20th, 2014 @ 5:09 pm

    One of the best things that Oregon ever did was to declare the coast a public thoroughfare, thereby making it illegal to restrict access.

  46. Daniel Freeman
    December 20th, 2014 @ 5:19 pm

    Interesting point. It’s easier for MGTOW to be anti-feminist since we don’t care if someone lies and calls us a misogynist. They can poison that well all they want; we’re not drinking from it anyway.

  47. RKae
    December 20th, 2014 @ 5:21 pm

    I want… I DEMAND that you get the movie “Under The Greenwood Tree.” It’s the one Hardy story that Austen fans can like because it’s so incredibly happy, lovely and nice.

    The movie with Keeley Hawes is actually better than the book! (Yes, I said that!) Don’t be afraid to purchase it. You will watch it 50 times, at least.

  48. RKae
    December 20th, 2014 @ 5:23 pm

    I recently saw Ian (not with Tull) doing all of “Thick as a Brick” and all of his new album “Thick as a Brick 2.” A brilliant show!

    And I’m with you: I don’t like a concert that’s nothing but a greatest hits evening. I want surprises!

  49. Daniel Freeman
    December 20th, 2014 @ 5:26 pm

    As I’ve said before, male feminists don’t even rise to the level of pussy beggars, since it won’t even get them laid. They’re just approval beggars, wagging their tails, hoping for a “Good boy!” And they won’t even get that either; the harder they try to please, the more receptive to criticism they are, and feminists can tell. It’s a classic abusive relationship.

  50. Adjoran
    December 20th, 2014 @ 8:07 pm

    A friend has a video of an old sound check where he did “Up The ‘Pool” – an old obscure fave. So many old non-hits never get played. Even their original encore/guitar solo “We Used to Know” became a rarity.

    “Flying Colours” was the story of my first marriage, but that’s a bit O/T . . .