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How @RooshV Trolled the World

Posted on | February 3, 2016 | 82 Comments


Daryush “Roosh V” Valizadeh is a pickup artist (PUA) who has somehow managed to get himself identified as such a menace to women that he’s listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center. (“Is banging hotties a hate crime now?”) In general, I consider PUA culture to be folly, a logical consequence of liberalism’s amoral “consenting adults” ethos of sexual hedonism. For decades, liberals have insisted that all voluntary sexual activity is good; the more sex, the better. There is no such thing as morality, according to liberals, and therefore no one can be permitted to express disapproval of, inter alia, Bill Clinton sodomizing White House interns. Liberals will denounce you as a judgmental crypto-fascist if you dare to criticize the shameful behavior of sexual degenerates like Anthony Weiner, and it is this licentious attitude which has given rise to PUA culture. If the whole point of life is to get as much sex as you can (and this would seem to be the Clintonian doctrine, against which no opposition is permissible) then anyone who isn’t getting laid as regularly as Robert Plant on Led Zeppelin’s 1971 world tour is just a pathetic loser.

In the Post-Moral Age of Liberalism, it makes sense that the losers want to become winners, and the winners want to brag about their success, and this is where PUA culture comes from. Yet even if we stipulate, arguendo, that hedonistic decadence is acceptable, PUA culture violates two basic principles of wise behavior:

  1. Do not join a lemming herd in its stampede to oblivion. When civilizations become decadent, most social trends are bad trends. Beware of fads. Do not become a habitual conformist, a follower of fashionable attitudes. Develop a habit of independence, and accept the fact that to be an honest man in an Age of Lies will not make you popular with the deluded fools who believe whatever they are taught in public school, and whose behaviors are a result of emulating whatever they watch on TV.
  2. Never discuss strategy in public. You see this error all the time in politics, where some consultant or “strategist” (e.g., Karl Rove) selfishly seeks to enhance his reputation by bragging about his own cleverness. In any competitive enterprise, the “secrets of success” must remain secret, or else your competitors will figure out how to beat you at your own game. To publicize your methodology is to invite others to imitate it, and what happens when everybody is playing the same game with the same tactics?

So, even if you have no moral objection to promiscuous fornication — indeed, especially if you are a would-be womanizer — the popularization of PUA methodology is a bad trend. What has made the PUA community so controversial, however, is neither its tactical errors nor its flagrant immorality. Liberals like the SPLC’s Mark Potok despise all morality and endorse every form of perversion. No, what liberals condemn about PUA culture is its “misogyny,” a feminist thought-crime for which no liberal would ever condemn such idols of liberalism as Ted Kennedy. (Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.)

  • Question 1: If feminists say pick-up artists hate women — for this is what “misogyny” means — isn’t it fair to assume that Bill Clinton is also a woman-hater?
  • Question 2: If men who repeatedly succeed in seduction are condemned by feminists, does this condemnation not also apply, by an obverse principle, to promiscuous women whose behavior justifies the boasts of PUAs?

Well, anyone who expects logic, honesty or intellectual consistency from feminists is a hopeless fool and, as if it were their goal to confirm once and for all what fools they are, feminists have freaked out over Roosh’s latest project. At his “manosphere” site Return of Kings, Roosh proposed an international meet-up day this coming Saturday, Feb. 6.

This would seem like nothing controversial — fans of a popular Web site, with many thousands of regular readers, getting together IRL (“in real life”) to socialize. Yet because (a) feminists hate Roosh, (b) feminists are shameless liars, and (c) major media organizations are staffed almost entirely by “progressive” allies of feminism, these meet-ups were labeled “rape rallies,” and a bizarre hysteria took hold. The Toronto Sun‘s coverage is a typical smear:

Roosh V. plans ‘rape should be legal’ meetup in Toronto
Roosh V. is back but Mayor John Tory says he’s not welcome in Toronto.
The notorious American pick-up artist — who ruffled feathers during a tour stop in Toronto last summer to promote “neomasculinity” — announced on his blog that Hogtown will be among the 10 Canadian cities hosting local “rape should be legal” meetups on Feb. 6.
Toronto’s “tribal meeting” for only heterosexual men will take place at 8 p.m. at Queen’s Park near the Edward VII statue.
“The media in Canada, Iceland, and the United Kingdom have also put out defamatory reports about the meetup that falsely claim it’s a ‘rape’ gathering where we will strategize on how to rape women,” said Roosh V, whose real name is Daryush Valizadeh, on his website. “Not a single meetup will be cancelled. We will not be intimidated by the actions of the lying media and leftist political establishment.”
According to Valizadeh’s website, there are 165 meetings in 43 countries slated for Feb. 6. Hosts will wait until 8:20 p.m. sharp at the meeting point before “moving on to the final location.”
It isn’t clear if Valizadeh will attend Toronto’s meeting. The 36-year-old could not be reached for comment on Tuesday.
Tory’s office said Valizadeh’s views don’t “reflect the values of Toronto and his statements about women are demeaning and unacceptable.”
“While free speech is the law in this country, promoting violence against women is wrong,” the mayor’s spokesman, Keerthana Kamalavasan, said, adding the mayor’s views have not changed since Valizadeh’s last visit to Toronto in August.
“Roosh V and his hate speech have no place in our city and should have no platform here either.”

This “hate speech”/”violence against women” rhetoric is nothing but propaganda, and the Toronto Sun‘s coverage is strangely reminiscent of the kind of transparent hype Hunter S. Thompson used to publish when he was starting out as a young sports writer:

At one point, in Florida, I was writing variations on the same demented themes for three competing papers at the same time, under three different names. I was a sports columnist for one paper in the morning, sports editor for another in the afternoon, and at night I worked for a pro wrestling promoter, writing incredibly twisted “press releases” that I would plant, the next day, in both papers.
It was a wonderful gig, in retrospect, and at times I wish I could go back to it — just punch a big hatpin through my frontal lobes and maybe regain that happy lost innocence that enabled me to write, without the slightest twinge of conscience, things like: “The entire Fort Walton Beach police force is gripped in a state of fear this week; all leaves have been canceled and Chief Bloor is said to be drilling his men for an Emergency Alert situation on Friday and Saturday nights — because those are the nights when ‘Kazika, The Mad Jap,’ a 440-pound sadist from the vile slums of Hiroshima, is scheduled to make his first — and no doubt his last — appearance in Fish-head Auditorium. Local wrestling impressario Lionel Olay is known to have spoken privately with Chief Bloor, urging him to have ‘every available officer’ on duty at ringside this weekend, because of the Mad Jap’s legendary temper and his invariably savage reaction to racial insults. Last week, in Detroit, Kazika ran amok and tore the spleens out of three ringside spectators, one of whom allegedly called him a ‘yellow devil.'”
“Kazika,” as I recall, was a big, half-bright Cuban who once played third-string tackle for Florida State University in Tallahassee, about 100 miles away — but on the fish-head circuit he had no trouble passing for a dangerous Jap strangler, and I soon learned that pro wrestling fans don’t give a fuck anyway.

Dimwits with an appetite for phony controversy, whether they are Florida wrestling fans or Canadian feminists, are always being suckered by this kind of ginned-up hype. Really, what was Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72 trying to explain? Thompson’s reference to his early career in sports journalism, which is the purest form of media hype known to man, was meant to suggest that no intelligent person should be deceived by political journalism, where the pretense of Objectivity was even less plausible than a press release about Kazika the Mad Jap. Thompson perceived in modern media the aspect that Richard Weaver called “The Great Stereopticon.” The media factory produces Conventional Wisdom, a shoddy simulacrum of reality, accepted as an ersatz substitute for truth by people too lazy to think for themselves.

Honestly, feminists and PUAs deserve each other. The accusation that Roosh is an advocate for legalizing rape is the kind of bogus nonsense that only a feminist could possibly believe.



  • Quartermaster

    You’re going to have to define what real misogyny is. The terms used by RadFems, and even the 2nd wave Fems is not actual misogyny.

  • Quartermaster

    I have long held that society will attempt to balance itself against extremes. We saw that in the run up to Lincoln’s war, and we’ve seen it with both 2nd and 3rd wave feminism. There are limits to such balancing attempts, and when those limits are hit, violence usually results. Once again, we saw that with Lincoln’s war. What it’s going to look like this time is anyone’s guess. I think it is going to badly complicated by an economic collapse brought on by the programs that have resulted from universal suffrage.

  • Quartermaster

    I don’t know about believing such, but one thing is clear, they don’t want keepers. Roissy, over at Chateau Hartiste has shown what happens to many decent girls that grow up to become young sluts, and how heartbreaking it can be. One recent post shows a 17 yo sweet, good looking chick, and then follows up with a couple of pics of her at nearly 21. 4 years made a huge difference, and the final result is not one I would do anymore than say “next” to.
    Our society is not structured in a way that encourages young women to be what they could and should be.

  • Ming the Merciless

    Ya mean, “being a goy”…

  • Ming the Merciless

    Yes, there are so many high-quality, thin, virtuous women who know how to cook out there… why isn’t he married to one of them?

  • Quartermaster

    I know Dees is of the tribe, but are Potok and Bereich?
    To many of the so called Orthodox, the goy were created to fuel the fires of hell. That famous Pharisee, Saul, disagreed with them and told them they too were created to fuel the fires of Hell, unless they accepted Christ.

  • John Bradley

    “Ahh, the Mudshark Arpeggio… a marvelous little arpeggio.”

  • Mm

    I hope he sues some deep-pockets. Even some right of center blogs, like Gateway Pundit, called him a legal rape advocate. What they did to him was evil and malicious.

  • Bob Belvedere

    It’s up to you, Evi – I’m a retired Rule Five Mojo Master.

  • Zhytamyr

    My point exactly. Everyone goes to bars/clubs to get laid but will settle for getting drunk. These places have a high incidence of that magical mix of insecurity and desperate need for validation ( even from the dubious fellow they don’t know, that cares about them only enough to spend $15 on cocktails for them). Any idiot can pull some dirty leg skank as long as they aren’t picky. However, the value of anything is worth its trade cost – in this case effectively nil. You can chase @ss and get a bunch of it, but you’ll never get anything of any value, and you’ll certainly never get a woman.

  • Ilion

    “Sex ed” always was, and always will be, just a euphemism for “grooming”.

  • Ilion

    Well, just so long as you’re not abusing it!

  • Valerie Stewart

    What kind of nut? A walnut? A salted peanut?

    Are you a salted peanut trapped in a human body? Quick! Make a blog on Tumblr on your otherkin-ness and describe your wonderful, enlightened inner nuttiness!

  • Wombat_socho

    Gateway Pundit has been losing its mind for a few months now. I mainly link them and Conservatives4Palin these days for the sheer amusement value of seeing what absolutely bonkers crap they’re going to post next.

  • Daniel Freeman

    Roosh has shifted to identifying as a neomasculinist.

  • Daniel Freeman

    Yeah, I saw that. Just tragic.

    Roosh is hoping that neomasculinity will take off and provoke a complementary “neofeminine” movement for women. I think that would be great.

  • jakee308

    Just a side note here. As far as I can tell, the PUA movement has never shown any proof that what they claim works, works. No proof of any factual kind has ever been offered on any of the sites I read (that’s been a few years because I stopped when I realized that there was a lot of ego sloshing around).

    Where are the facts that the PUA guys weren’t just making it all up? There should be some females out there who’ve detected those moves and either thwarted them or fell for them. And there should be plenty of outrage about actual encounters.

    Yet we’ve heard none.

    I believe that the PUA phenomenon is false. That it’s certain guys with a gift for invention who’ve written blogs and books on the subject without ever showing that it works. (and it may work to an extant but not what’s being touted and not in enough numbers to be concerned)

    Plus, remember that PUA’s are/were a reaction to the rejection and rape shaming culture (another made up group) and as an extension of those trying to counteract the radical feminism that is rotting our universities and colleges and have spread into the courts and the law.

    A lot of folks say that guys have turned ‘Peter Pan’ but it’s been more of a reaction than a purposeful move. And a very rewarding one as it turns out in our current economical depths, thus the rapid increase in the numbers embracing the idea of being free from the tyranny of someone else’s delusions.

    I’ve always felt that although for some women, the PUA stuff might work but overall was way too hard and contrary to how most normal people live their lives to either be useful or much fun.

    It’s all been a lie on both sides. And that’s about par for the course these days.

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  • BigGaySteve

    They simply use psychology that feminists would never admit was correct. Its like trying to explain to a liberal when the food stamp card goes down the free stuff army will tear apart every die verse city.
    These people think that San Fran public schools being 8% black but having 71% of students arrested being black means that teachers, the most liberal profession there is, are letting Asian girls get away will shooting people but not blacks.

  • BigGaySteve

    You can chose to love women or understand them. Not what leftists want to here when they ask why I am gay.

  • BigGaySteve

    Why do sumo wrestlers shave their legs?
    So people don’t mistake them for feminists

  • BigGaySteve

    He only does it using logic that leftists could not follow and still be leftists.

  • BigGaySteve

    I read the comic gyno star for years thinking it was a parody only to recently realize it is not.

  • BigGaySteve

    So is pointing out that HilLIARy took $40 million from nations that execute gays while she was secretary.

  • N0 0ne

    For both sides– how much free publicity did Roosh get out of it, hmm?

  • DeadMessenger

    I checked out that website and I really wish I hadn’t. Mr. DM calls me hopelessly naive and maybe he’s right. But it wasn’t so much the girl, though I agree she’s a sad case, but the comments below.

    Some of those guys…maybe most…not sure, but I would probably consider supergluing their winkie to their thigh. Or hand. While they slept. I expect, and am willing, to take a certain amount of crap from a man in exchange for him taking a position between me and the world, but come ON! (Though I have to give the guy calling himself “Haven M” props for his name choice.)

    On another note, and probably I’m exposing my naivity here, but what’s that string of…things…in that girl’s belly button region? I mean, I can see how having your belly button pierced would work, but how does a row fit into this equation? Seems like overkill to me. If it were me, I’d go for the subtle little gold hoop, and only one man on Earth would ever see it…you know, like a personal thing. A row is totally not subtle. Of course, exposing your underboobs isn’t subtle either. But still.

  • Quartermaster

    That would be nice, but given societal predilections, I doubt that will be the result we see.
    It would not be surprising, however, if Roosh has tired if putting notches on his gun and would like to find a girl worth marriage. Given his notoriety, I think he’d have a very hard time doing so.

  • Quartermaster

    So how many months did they get you for?

  • RickZ

    None. As a friend (now deceased) who ran a BDSM site said, there’s too much free stuff to pay for any of it.

  • Kaminsky

    Yup. Like herds of buffalo circa 1750. You can hardly drive the streets of America with all those tens of thousands of thin, healthy women out jogging, walking, staying fit. Not a lot of good men in the world’s most dominant, wealthy and chivalric country. The competition for good men is KEEN. Thus, the veritable 24 hour stampedes of lean women out staying in shape. Staying tight and svelte well into their eighties, 99 times out of a 100. Endless herds of gazelles are our lovely American women. Oh, lucky men! Lucky, lucky men.

  • ripple947

    Dees was raised Baptist in Alabama.

  • Quartermaster

    I’d never heard that. It’s been widely broadcast that Dees is Jewish.