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Transgender: Victims of Societal Prejudice or Dangerous Criminal Perverts?

Posted on | February 25, 2016 | 95 Comments


Davina Ayrton, 34, was known as David Ayrton until 2013, and in 2004, David Ayrton raped a 15-year-old girl in England:

A transgender woman has been found guilty of raping a girl when she was a man called David – and has been sent to a male prison.
A jury convicted Davina Ayrton, who changed her name from David three years ago, of the sexual attack on a 15-year-old girl in the autumn of 2004 following a week-long trial at Portsmouth Crown Court. . . .
The court heard that Ayrton, who has a son, has learning difficulties and has been living at the Heywood Sumner House care home in Fordingbridge.
The court was also told that the 34-year-old attempted to commit suicide last summer. . . .
The court was also told that Ayrton was convicted of possessing indecent images of children at Bournemouth Crown Court in January 2014. . . .
The trial heard that Ayrton had met up with the victim, who had run away from home, and two friends on an evening in the autumn of 2004 and gone drinking in a garage which had a sofa and chairs in it.
The victim described how she screamed and shouted at Ayrton, who was 23 at the time, to stop but failed to wake up her friend and her boyfriend who were sleeping nearby.
The prosecution was brought after a care worker reported that Ayrton had confessed to the rape in January 2014 and also told her that she was a “paedophile” and that she had “always known there was something wrong with me and I need help”.

One of the weird things about “social justice” is how it divides people into collective categories of identity, based on political notions of “oppression” and “privilege.” This concept enables very bad people to claim victimhood, while stigmatizing honest citizens as oppressors. We are supposed to feel pity for Ayrton, a transgender “woman” who has learning difficulties, etc., but what about the 15-year-old girl Ayrton raped? How many pedophiles are also transgender? How many dangerous criminals are lurking within these Victim of Society categories that “social justice” ideology creates?

Because, really, why not hire more lesbian school teachers?



  • Adobe_Walls

    There are potential downsides, but yes it’s always an option.

  • JollyGreenChemist

    The mention of “seminal feminists” gave me a chuckle.

  • Quartermaster

    All true, but irrelevant. The principles of life do not change. My father didn’t understand the circles I ran in as he had never been a learned professional. However, the manner in which I lived my life closely paralleled his because life requires certain things from everyone. Those do not change.
    Technology advances allow certain things to become easier, but things like marital commitment, rather than easy divorce and promiscuity, and financial responsibility will never change. It is exactly those things the left has turned against because they are so limiting. Then they wonder why things go so terribly wrong.

  • Quartermaster

    To set the stage for it is just as wrong as condoning the crime.

  • NeoWayland

    Careful there.

    By some arguments what you’re doing is “setting the stage.”

  • NeoWayland

    The principles of life do not change.

    That depends. There was a time in this nation when child labor was not only allowed but required. There was a time in this nation when the only way you could buy things was cash on the barrelhead. There was a time in this nation when you could not expect clean water from your tap or your well.

    Yes, honor is important still. I think it’s at the heart of our civilization. And yes, the progressives want to change the parts they don’t like.

    But that is not what I am talking about.

  • Ilion

    Isn’t this interesting?

    me:… When push comes to shove, almost all “libertarians” will always side with the leftists, for the leftists promise freedom from *real* moral obligations, and that is what most “libertarians” want most of all.

    not-me:You don’t know enough libertarians.
    As I’ve said many many many times in the comments threads of this site, I want liberty AND personal responsibility. You can’t have one without the other.

    me:But I do understand libertarians — and most people who call themselves libertarians don’t want liberty, and they most especially don’t want personal responsibility. What they want, rather than liberty, is license.

    me:… Are you saying that I am like that?

    The point here — the intellectual dishonesty that I’m laughing at — is that Mr “not-me” is always the first person to insist that “Not All [X] Are Like That” anytime anyone makes a generalization about some special group. That is, when someone says something that *everyone* understands to contain an impliedNot All [X] Are Like That“, Mr “not-me” has to go out of his way to insinuate that that person in ignorant, or stupid, or dishonest. YET, as can be seen above, I *explicitly* included the “Not All [X] Are Like That” proviso *thrice* … and Mr “not-me” *still* tries to play that intellectually dishonest card.

  • DeadMessenger

    I spit in their general direction.

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  • NeoWayland

    You could at least be honest enough to address your comments to the person you’re criticizing.

    As you yourself have pointed out, the question isn’t if all [Label X] do [Action Y]. Which means that there are significant numbers of [X] who do not do [Y]. And if that is true, there must be a cause for [Action Y] that is not [Label X].

    Therefore [Label X] is not [Action Y].

    That is not insinuation, that is logic.

    At the same time, I agree that there is something wrong with the people that RSM chooses to highlight. I just don’t think the reason is what he thinks it is.

  • NeoWayland

    One other bit about labels. I’m not an atheist or a socialist, and I am not pushing Progress and Equality, Nor do I agree with certain of your “core principles.” I am me, I need be nothing else.

    If you’re going to define every person you don’t agree with as a “not-me,” you’ll never understand enough to reach common ground. The argument is called dualism and it is inherently and incredibly flawed.

  • NeoWayland

    This is part of what I call the reluctant advocate thing. There are people who are not present, unable, or unwilling to speak in their own defense even as others lump them in with high profile criminals.

    For me, it started with gun owners. They were accused of terrible things in some of the groups I frequented. I knew these things were not true. Real gun rights were the last libertarian position I accepted. So I spoke up.

    I still don’t own a gun. I loathe guns. But I know the only people who benefit from gun control are criminals and agents of the state who don’t want the public armed.

    You may know deep in your bones that [Label X] is totally wrong and a danger. But it’s wrong to go after them as a group. When a crime is committed, go after the individual who did it.

  • Quartermaster

    I recognize what the loopy left does. Placing the truth in front of people is, indeed, setting the stage, just not for a crime. The crime is refusing to place the truth before people.

  • Quartermaster

    That’s merely an attempt at deflection. The principles of a successful life have never changed, just as the principles of a successful civilization have not changed. When a person turns from those principles, then upheaval will result. Our prisons are full of such people.

    Our civilization is in decline because the elites have ridiculed the things that allow a civilization to work. The decline is now accelerating and it will soon be impossible to turn things around, if it isn’t already.

  • Quartermaster

    I have met very few, and I mean very few, libertarians that want something other than license. I can’t say that you are like that as I know nothing of how you live your life. What I can say is that the libertarians I’ve known are a licentious bunch and license does not yield liberty, it yields chaos.

  • NeoWayland

    Or you could wait until, you know, someone actually did harm to someone else or their property.

  • Quartermaster

    I loved Baseball. Now I’m arthritic and most of the women I know can throw better than I can. Sigh….

  • Quartermaster

    You’ve given me no reason to change anything I’ve said. And, there’s already been plenty of what you say I should wait for.

  • NeoWayland

    As I said to Ilion, you’ve not met the libertarians I have.

  • Quartermaster

    No, he is not saying all males are evil.

  • NeoWayland

    It’s not a deflection. The three examples I used had far-reaching moral and ethical implications. There are many, many more.

    Our civilization isn’t in decline, it’s in transition. You know some of the things we need, that’s good. But no one person, no one group knows all the answers. There’s more to the world than black and white.

  • NeoWayland

    Then why say all transgenders are evil?

    Stars above I was beginning to think that no one would state the obvious.

  • NeoWayland

    So we’re back to pre-crime?

  • Ilion

    Well, that’s one way to do it, for sure. But, I can’t help but think that taking aim might be a bit more effective. 😉

  • Ilion

    Our civilization is in decline because the elites have ridiculed the things that allow a civilization to work.

    The elites of a civilization almost always turn decadent at the very time the civilization seems to be growing and prospering — such that, when it reaches the “summit”, the head is already rotted (as with a fish). Its when the *people* turn to decadence that the civilization is doomed.

    And our people have come to love decadence.

  • Ilion

    You *demanded* I call you something … so, as it fits, I’m calling you an intellectual hypocrite.

  • NeoWayland

    But can you prove that?

    My point on this entire thread is that it’s wrong to equate a label with an action. Even my replies to you show that. You started by equating me with the “libertarians” who you say are more interested in license than freedom, so I specifically asked you if you put me in that number.

    And here you went off on a tangent about “not-me.”

    Time to show the hole card.

  • Daniel Freeman

    And yet, what better way to cause white men to develop a collective identity than to hate on us? They could’ve chosen anyone in the world as enemies, and they chose white men. Retards.

  • Daniel Freeman

    There is a profound statistical difference between the likelihood of a woman attempting rape, and a man in a dress attempting rape.

    I know you’re smart enough to already know that, which is making me mad. The one thing I hate even more than willful ignorance is willful stupidity. Stop it.

  • Quartermaster

    He didn’t. But that wouldn’t enable you to chase your rhetorical tail again.

  • Quartermaster

    Decline is transition doofus.

  • Quartermaster

    I didn’t say that I had. Notice what I said.

  • Quartermaster

    No, were back to where I started. You can back to where ever you wish to go back to.

  • NeoWayland

    Do you remember the discussions we had when you told me what true Christians would and would not do?

  • NeoWayland

    Neighbor, decline is a transition, not necessarily the transition.

  • NeoWayland

    That was the question that literally headlined this thread.

  • NeoWayland

    Unless someone can show that all transgenders rape, then the ones that do not rape deserve consideration under the law.

    Despite the proclamations of some feminists, most men do not rape and are “innocent until proven guilty.”

    The same thing applies.

  • NeoWayland

    So what it comes down to is because someone has a label, you consider them guilty of a crime that they did not commit.

  • Quartermaster

    You said that, I didn’t. You can carry on by yourself. It’s been a long time since I found any entertainment value in a puppy chasing his tail.

  • NeoWayland

    “To set the stage for it is just as wrong as condoning the crime.”

    You did write and post that.

    I’m curious to see how far you want to spread the guilt.

  • Quartermaster

    Oh, really? I said that? Wow!!!!

    I guess plain language is something you have no understanding of, or there are deeper meanings in the English language that only you are privy to.

    This is the sort of thing I was talking about when I called for you to act like an adult. As I said above: “It’s been a long time since I found any entertainment value in a puppy chasing his tail.” So, quit acting like an idiot.

  • NeoWayland

    And that folks, is a deflection. As illustrated by QM.

    All I’ve said throughout this this thread is that it’s wrong to associate someone with a crime if they haven’t actually committed a crime.
    It’s called presumption of innocence. You might have heard of it as another phrase.

    “Innocent until proven guilty.”

  • Quartermaster

    Translation: Waaaaaahhhhh!!!!
    I deflected nothing. I use plain language and I meant what I said. When someone sets the stage for a crime they are known as an accomplice. You obviously have no idea how the law works.
    Go back and read my last post. I don’t chase my rhetorical tail.

  • NeoWayland

    And now he follows the deflection with a distraction.

    Go after the person who committed the crime.

    Is that so difficult?