The Other McCain

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Posted on | July 15, 2016 | 20 Comments

Headlines via Memeorandum:

Turkish Coup Effort Under Way
as Government Vows to Retain Power


Turkey Coup Attempt: Military
Says It Has Taken Over Government


Turkey coup attempt: military
claims government takeover


What does this mean? Perhaps after last month’s deadly terrorist attack at the Istanbul airport, the Turkish military decided that President Erdogan’s government was not doing enough to counter the radical Islamic threat of ISIS, which has been looming in Syria and Iraq for five years. Erdogan himself has blamed the so-called “Gulenist” movement, but that may just be propaganda.

Right now, however, the situation is confused. Turkey is a NATO ally, and the United States therefore has a deep interest in stability in Ankara.

UPDATE: Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch:

Since the advent of Kemalist secularism in the 1920s, the military has been its guardian. If the military now is trying to forestall Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman plans to restore Islamic rule in Turkey, then this coup could be an extremely positive development. If it succeeds, that is. And yes, that is two big if’s.

In other words, the Turkish military is a modernizing force — trade, peace, and secular law — whereas Erdogan was allying himself with Islamic fundamentalism. So the coup is probably a good thing.

Allahpundit has lots of background at Hot Air.




  1. OrangeEnt
    July 15th, 2016 @ 5:22 pm

    I’m not sure even after reading a lot of stuff, who’s doing the coup. Good guys or bad guys? Guess we’ll have to wait to see. Either that or see whose side Zero takes….

  2. robertstacymccain
    July 15th, 2016 @ 5:24 pm

    Erdogan has been a problem. Just heard Charles Krauthammer on Fox suggest that getting rid of Erdogan will be good news.

  3. DeadMessenger
    July 15th, 2016 @ 5:27 pm

    According to this:

    The ISIS situation is far worse than what is reported by the Riefenstahl press. Like the Blues Brothers, they think they’re on a mission from god, only Elwood and Jake didn’t have WMDs that they openly threatened to use on US soil.

    Not surprising then, that the Turkish military decided that they’d had enough. Possibly, the next major war in the ME could be the Psalm 83 Asaph’s war. If it is, this coup would be consistent with that prophecy, in the sense that Turkey is not on the list of attackers of Israel. See attached chart for Bill Salus & Joel Richardson’s list.

    Also consistent with upcoming prophetic fulfillment would be the UK jumping off the EU train.

    Just sayin’.

    Psalm 83 chart on this page:

    EDIT: btw, ISIS believes that Istanbul = Constantinople, and in order for their theology and recruitment literature to remain consistent, they would want attack Istanbul at some point, probably sooner rather than later if they have an opportunity. They also believe their Mahdi will be there. After that, Rome, then Jerusalem. Or, at least, that’s what their most trusted hadith says.

  4. OrangeEnt
    July 15th, 2016 @ 5:28 pm

    But are they people who want more islamization, or are they Ataturks?

  5. RS
    July 15th, 2016 @ 6:29 pm

    Anyone with a passing acquaintance with modern Turkish history knows that Kemal Ataturk created a secular state and that the military, especially the army has been the institutional guardian of that. The military has intervened numerous times to protect secular Turkey from reactionary elements. Query whether the Turkish “street” will go along this time. As with all Islamic countries, there’s a lot of Saudi Wahabi money floating around.

  6. Steve Skubinna
    July 15th, 2016 @ 11:18 pm

    If it’s the Army, then they’re Ataturks.

  7. Steve Skubinna
    July 15th, 2016 @ 11:20 pm

    Two things are certain:

    1) The Obama administration has been caught completely flat footed by this, and

    2) Whatever they do will be the wrong thing in support of the wrong side.

  8. Quartermaster
    July 16th, 2016 @ 10:49 am

    The News this morning is that the coup failed. Those staging it botched it in not making sure they captured Erdogan first.

  9. Adobe_Walls
    July 16th, 2016 @ 11:46 am

    An apparently desperate gamble by too few to pull it off. The reaction will be to go full retard. Secular Turkey is toast. Doesn’t bode well for the Kurds either.

  10. Adobe_Walls
    July 16th, 2016 @ 1:16 pm
  11. FMJRA 2.0: Post-Coup, Pre-Repression Edition : The Other McCain
    July 16th, 2016 @ 7:51 pm


  12. java
    July 17th, 2016 @ 5:50 am

    Obama read it on the news

  13. java
    July 17th, 2016 @ 5:52 am

    The type of ‘islam’ lite made in Turkey is just a facade. Secularists my ass, they want to outbreed every other non muslim and establish islam as one world religion just like anyone else. I wonder why people believe this crap.

  14. Quartermaster
    July 17th, 2016 @ 1:12 pm

    Kemalist Turkey kept Turkish Muslims under control. Allowing Erdogan into the presidency was a serious mistake on the part of the Turkish Military. Erddogan has been trying to root out the Kemalists from the military and it would seem that this botched coup was an effort to smoke out the rest.

    Turkey is now lost to the west, and Kemalism is dead.

  15. Quartermaster
    July 17th, 2016 @ 1:13 pm

    There have been some twitches that idicate that Erdogan may have set the whole thing up in an effort to smoke out the rest of the Kemalist faction in the military.

  16. Quartermaster
    July 17th, 2016 @ 1:25 pm

    There is some argument as to what the modern equivalent of each of those is. Some of them have a very large overlap (e.g. Moab, Edom and Ammon), and Ishmaelites may not be indicative of Saudi Arabia as no one can now trace their ancestry to Ishmael – his descendents were absorbed through intermarriage and so that may also be a large, if not total, overlap, assuming Ishmael was absorbed by what became the Arabs, which is a reasonable assumption.

    However, there is one thing that is strongly indicated as that the enemies noted form an inner circle around Israel, and none of those are named in the later assault described in Ezekial 3/8 & 39.

    Presently, the inner circle is somewhat chaotic. Syria, for example, does not control it’s entire territory and her attention is entirely subsumed in simple survival. That could change quickly, however, with the introduction of Russian forces, although initial indications on that score seem to point to Putin simply using Syria to keep his own people’s eyes off what he’s up to in Russia and his “near abroad.”

  17. Quartermaster
    July 17th, 2016 @ 1:26 pm

    The proper term is “Kemalist.” Ataturk was actually a title. I think it meant “father of the Turks.” My rememberer, however, may be failing on that score, however.

    From the looks of things, Erdogan used a set up to smoke out the remaining Kemalists in the Officer Corps of the Military. The coup attempt was really, really incompetent.

  18. Steve Skubinna
    July 17th, 2016 @ 2:22 pm

    Actually, yes it was a title awarded him and does mean “Father of the Turks.”

    And I’d say he earned it. He was one of the most underappreciated great men of the 20th century, and it’s sad to see his legacy systematically dismantled by the Islamists. Say good bye to Turkey as a modern secular nation.

    Sadly it does appear possible that the coup was a trap by Erdogan to further emasculate the Army, which has long been the most reliable bulwark against Islamism.

  19. Steve Skubinna
    July 17th, 2016 @ 2:23 pm

    If you strike at the King…

  20. DeadMessenger
    July 17th, 2016 @ 3:19 pm

    Which is why I think that Psalm 83 comes first, then Ezekiel 38-39 is a response to that Arab defeat.