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Salvia, Zeitgeist and the Tucson Shooter

Posted on | January 12, 2011 | 34 Comments

Leaving aside Sheriff Clarence Dupnik and the Left’s “blood libel” hysteria, let’s examine the factors that really motivated mass murderer Jared Lee Loughner. First, here is a four-minute Associated Press video interview with George Osler, father of Loughner’s friend Osler:

“There was a lot of talk about lucid dreaming and understanding reality. . . . And there were a lot of books and movies . . . things that I never would have heard about or watched — things like Loose Change about the 9/11 conspiracy . . . He watched things like that. . . . He had basically nothing going for him, and I think he just couldn’t deal with reality anymore. . . . I know that he was experimenting with the drug, or herb or whatever it is, salvia divinorum. And from what I hear, he used it quite frequently. . . . It’s like a hallucinogenic type of effect.”

Adding a few more dots to the pattern:

Loughner, now 22, would come over several times a week from 2007 to 2008, the Oslers said.
The boys listened to the heavy-metal band Slipknot and progressive rockers the Mars Volta, studied the form of meditative movement called tai chi and watched and discussed movies.
Loughner’s favorites included little-known conspiracy theory documentaries such as “Zeitgeist” and “Loose Change” as well as bigger studio productions with cult followings and themes of brainwashing, science fiction and altered states of consciousness, including “Donnie Darko” and “A Scanner Darkly.” . . .
Roxanne Osler [said]: “Jared struck me as a young man who craved attention and acceptance.”

Altered consciousness, “lucid dreams,” conspiracy theories, sci-fi dystopias — you see the pattern. This is what I meant by the “Beta male” reference earlier today. Today’s feral adolescents are heinously cruel to those they stigmatize as “losers.” As George Osler says, Loughner was a failure in reality and therefore craved some sort of alternative reality where (he imagined) he could succeed.

Loughner’s disconnection from, and hostility toward, the real world obviously would have made the quasi-revolutionary utopian radicalism of Zeitgeist extraordinarily attractive. Secular Stupidest provides this three-minute video about Zeitgeist:

I’ll be back to update with some more background, but you can see from just these two videos — requiring a total of seven minutes to view — how far removed Loughner’s worldview was from anything connected to Sarah Palin, the Tea Party movement, conservative talk radio, etc.

CLICK HERE to See Zeitgeist: The Conspiracy Movie That Had a ‘Profound Impact’ on Jared Loughner

UPDATE:  Travis Walter Donovan, whose title at HuffPo is “Associate Green Editor” (??), wrote what the Secular Stupid video calls a “glowing profile” of Zeitgeist in March:

“It takes a different value system if you wish to change the world,” Jacque Fresco said to a sold out crowd of over 800 in New York City’s Upper West Side. Though he may not need to convince these people, many his ardent followers, it will indeed take a restructuring of the mind for those unfamiliar with Fresco’s work to realistically accept the ideas he proposes of a new global society that has given up money and property in favor of a shared, sustainable, technology-driven community. . . .
March 13th, 2010 was the second annual celebration of ZDay. Coordinated by The Zeitgeist Movement, ZDay is an educational event geared toward raising awareness of the movement. . . .
[T]he movement declares itself as the activist arm of The Venus Project, an organization started in the 1970s by Fresco and his partner, Roxanne Meadows. The Venus Project distributes resources promoting Fresco’s vision of an improved society, with the main component being a resource-based economy, rather than a monetary-based one. In Fresco’s resource-based economy, the world’s resources would be considered as the equal inheritance of all the world’s peoples, and would be managed as efficiently and carefully as possible through focusing on the technological potential of sustainable development.

The impossibility of abolishing a “monetary-based” economy is one of the basic insights Ludwig von Mises explained in Socialism more than 80 years ago. That the objective of Zeitgeist is a global egalitarian redistribution of wealth classifies it as socialism and, as I think any orthodox Marxist would say, it is a utopian form of socialism.

This is why I called it “quasi-revolutionary”: Zeitgeist envisions an essentially voluntary egaltiarianism, as if the rich would gladly give up their “resources” (a word tendentiously employed) to the have-nots. At least Marx and Lenin were sane enough to recognize that such a redistribution could only be accomplished by force.

And as for the idea of resources being “managed . . . efficiently and carefully” — by whom? Who has the capacity for this technological management of “resources”? Where will this managerial authority be vested? With “experts”?

To any student of Mises and Hayek, this is simply the old “planned economy” fallacy dressed up in new clothes of globalism and “sustainabie development.”

Who are these young fools who fall for such recycled nonsense? What are they teaching kids in school nowadays, that they are so easily taken in by these Zeitgeist charlatans?

UPDATE II: Here is the 5-minute video trailer for Zeitgeist:

The main question raised by Zeitgeist: How much salvia does a semi-literate paranoid psychotic adolescent have to smoke before that crap starts making sense? It needs to be re-titled Nonsense On Stilts.

Really, it makes Keynesianism seem sane by comparison.

UPDATE III: The founder of the Venus Project, whose ideas evidently inspired Zeitgeist, is 94-year-old Jacque Fresco. This is from his essay, “The Future and Beyond”:

We believe it is now possible to achieve a society where people would be able to live longer, healthier, and more meaningful productive lives. In such a society, the measure of success would be based upon the fulfillment of one’s individual pursuits rather than the acquisition of wealth, property, and power. Although many of the concepts presented here may appear as unattainable goals, all of the ideas are based upon known scientific principles. . . .
The answers do not lie in debate or philosophical discussion of values, but rather in methodology. Thus what is needed is an operational definition of a better world, which is as follows: To constantly maximize existing and future technologies with the sole purpose of enhancing all human life and protecting the environment. . . .
The future does not depend on our present-day beliefs or social customs, but will continue to evolve a set of values unique to its own time. There are no “Utopias.” The very notion of “Utopia” is static. However, the survival of any social system ultimately depends upon its ability to allow for appropriate change to improve society as a whole. The paths that we choose will ultimately determine whether or not there is intelligent life on earth. . . .

(Elaborate gibberish. Fresco anticipates the accusation of utopianism, and denies it, but this does not change the utopian nature of his scheme.)

As the amount of scientific information grows, nations and people are coming to realize that even in today’s divided world there are, in fact, many common threats that transcend national boundaries. These include overpopulation, energy shortages, pollution, water shortages, economic catastrophe, the spread of uncontrollable disease and so forth. However, faced even with threats of this magnitude, which are common to all nations, the direction of human action will not be altered so long as powerful nations are able to maintain control of the limited resources available. . . .

(“I’d like to buy the world a Coke . . .” Here we see Fresco beginning to encourage the reader to imagine the transcendent global sharing that is the foundation of his Don’t-Call-It-Utopian utopianism.)

There are growing indications of awareness on the part of people in many areas of the world that events have gone beyond the control of their political leaders. Everywhere we see political figures and parties come and go, political strategies adopted and discarded for their inability to satisfy the demands of one faction or another.
The reason that we do not suggest writing your congressman, or any number of governmental agencies, is that they lack the necessary knowledge to deal with our problems. Their focus is to preserve existing systems, not to change them. It appears that there are few within present-day societies who want to phase themselves out. In modern industrial societies the cause of inaction lies within the cumbersome political process itself, an anachronism in an era when most decisions can be made on any important issue in a split second by the objective entry of relevant data into computers.
The prime conditions that would really effect social change will come about when conditions have deteriorated to such an extent that governments, politicians, and social institutions no longer have the support and confidence of the people. What once worked is acknowledged to be no longer relevant. If the public were better informed, only then would it be possible to introduce a new and improved social arrangement. . . .

(Here Fresco is appealing to what might be called the super-political mythos: Our problems are too big for existing “status quo” systems to cope with. Ergo, to get past “present-day societies” — i.e., the real world, where geeky adolescent dopehead misfits can’t find a job or a girlfriend — will require some crisis that will cause people to support the introduction of “a new and improved social arrangement.”)

Along with the introduction of new paradigms towards human and environmental concern, there must be a methodology for making this a reality. If these ends are to be achieved, the monetary system must eventually be surpassed by a world resource-based economy. In order to effectively and economically utilize resources, the necessary cybernated and computerized technology could eventually be applied to ensure a higher standard of living for everyone. With the intelligent and humane application of science and technology, the nations of the world could guide and shape the future for the preservation of the environment and humankind. . . .

OK, enough of the interrupting in italics. What Jacque Fresco proposes here is Underpants Gnome socialism:

Phase 1: Abolish the monetary system.
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: A higher standard of living for everyone!

He goes on in this one essay for more than 10,000 words, along the way enumerating 16 “aims and goals of The Venus Project” (e.g., “Transcending all of the artificial boundaries that separate people”) before concluding: “It is not possible in this short writing to present the precise methodology and operation of a global resource based economy.”

Dude. Pass me the pipe. I’m gonna need another hit of salvia.

UPDATE IV: Brace yourselves, Glenn Beck fans, but I am currently researching a tip that Zeitgeist/Venus Project has received funding from — wait for it — George Soros. If that turns out to be true . . . well, can you imagine what Glenn’s chalkboard is going to look like when he explains this? Meanwhile, here’s a March 2009 New York Times story about the big “Z-Day” event:

In his goatee and mustache and tieless in a brown suit, [Zeitgeist director Peter] Joseph had been lecturing for nearly 90 minutes on the unsustainable nature of the money-based economy — on cyclical consumption, planned obsolescence, corporate malfeasance and piles of poisonous waste. “It’s time that we wake up,” he intoned, speaking solemnly through a wireless clip-on mike. “The doomsday scenario, the big contraction, might be happening right now. The system of monetary exchange is — in the face of advancing technology — completely obsolete.” . .
There, in the crowd, was Jacque Fresco, an industrial designer and the engineering guru of what people unironically called “the movement.” . . .
Mr. Fresco . . . [is] an author, lecturer and former aircraft engineer at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio who has spent the last six decades working on the Venus Project, a futuristic society where (adjust your seatbelts, now) machines would control government and industry and safeguard the planet’s fragile resources by means of an artificially intelligent “earthwide autonomic sensor system” — a super-brain of sorts connected to, yes, all human knowledge.

Two words: Nucking futz. And yet I agree with Verum Serum that this wacko futuristic lunacy may be the key to “whatever was left of Loughner’s mind.”

UPDATE V: After a few hours of looking around, I have yet to verify the Soros-Zeitgeist connection. Meanwhile, however, the film’s director – whom Zeitgeist critics say is North Carolina-born musician-turned-filmmaker P.J. Merola — has responded to the media coverage:

PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM THE CREATOR OF THE “ZEITGEIST FILM SERIES”, PETER JOSEPH:RE: THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ASSOCIATION CREATED BETWEEN “ZEITGEIST” AND THE TUCSON MURDERS.

It has come to my attention that various mainstream news organizations are beginning to run an association between my 2007 performance piece/film, “Zeitgeist: The Movie” and the tragic murders conducted by an extremely troubled young man in Tucson, Arizona. They are also slowly beginning to bleed the obvious line between my 2007 documentary work, my film series as a whole and The Zeitgeist Movement, which I am the founder. Frankly, I find this isolating, growing association tremendously irresponsible on the part of ABC, NBC and their affiliates – further reflecting the disingenuous nature of the America Media Establishment today. . . .

When we reflect on the history of seemingly random violence or other forms of highly offensive, irrational, aberrant behavior, we see a common pattern of reaction from the public and media in their attempt to explain such extreme acts. Rather than deeply examining the Bio-Psycho-Social nature of human social development and the vast spectrum of influences that create and morph each of us in unique and sometimes detrimental ways, they take the easy way out. The first thing they do is simply ignore all modern scientific, social understandings of what generates human motivation in both positive and negative regard, for to do so can only call into question the social system itself and hence the “zeitgeist” (meaning: spirit/intellectual climate of the time/culture) at large.

Generally speaking, it is historically accurate to say that the Mainstream Media simply isn’t in the business of challenging the Status Quo. The limits of debate are firmly set. Virtually all ideas, persons or groups who have succeeded in changing the world for the better, later to be hailed as heros in the public mind, started out being condemned by those in the Mainstream Media who latch on to the dominant world view of the time. Even Martin Luther King Jr., a peaceful, loving, wonder of a man who contributed more to our social progress than likely any humanitarian in the US history, was followed by the CIA and publicly humiliated as a “Communist” which he even had to defend in front of a Congressional Committee. In fact, you can rest assured that if King were alive in the current paradigm today and seeking an equal form of justice – he would be given the name: “Terrorist”.

So, again, rather than taking the scientific view, the Mainstream Media often seeks out or implies one point of blame and runs with it. After all, it is much easier, presentable and more simplistic for the public to think that the troubling reality of seemingly random acts of mass murder is the result of a “singular influence” and hence the logic goes that if that one influence is removed, then the world will be back in balance. This gives the public a false resolve and position of focus in an otherwise ambiguous, complex world of social and biological influences. And as far as the scapegoat itself, very often any group, media or dataset that is counter-culture or even hints at wishing to challenge the status quo, is a magnet for such blame.

For example, musical groups of a counter-culture nature have been a favorite scapegoat for acts of murder/violence historically. In 1990, the rock band Judas Priest was actually taken to court for their “role” in the self-inflicted gunshot wounds in 1985 of 20-year old James Vance and 18-year old Raymond Belknap in Reno, Nevada. In 2008, the band Slipknot was publicly tied/blamed to a high-school murder in South Africa. Even the Beatles song “Helter-skelter” was associated to the murders incited by Charles Manson. It goes on and on… and, frankly, it’s simply pathetic – avoiding the true nature of the problem – which is the Socio-Economic Environment itself.

Make no mistake: The Social System is to blame for the rampage of Jared Loughner – not some famous online documentary which is known as the most viewed documentary of all time in internet history. Are the other 200 million people who have seen the film also preparing for murder sprees? I think not.

In my new film: “Zeitgeist: Moving Forward”, I feature a prominent Harvard Criminal Psychologist by the name of Dr. James Gilligan who headed the Centre for the Study of Violence at Harvard Medical School for many years. In his life work of personally engaging the most dangerous, violent offenders the US system produces, he found some basic trends. The most common is the social issue of “shame”. Our socio-economic system inherently breeds social division and there is a natural demeaning of others generated as a result. It is a scientific fact that mass murderers and those who many just dismiss as “evil” today, are the product of years of being shamed, humiliated and demeaned. Their acts of violence is a reaction from these highly oppressive feelings and the real resolve to such acts can only come from removing the real source of such emotional hurt. You will notice that most other countries don’t come close to the level of violence we see in the United States. The US is the capital of violence with 30-300 times more acts of violence than any other country. We have produced more serial killers in America than all other countries combined. Why? You will notice the Mainstream never asks this question.

If anyone would like to understand why more and more people in the modern world end up like Jared Loughner and why these patterns are only going to get worse as time goes on in this system, I suggest the book “Violence” by Harvard Criminal Psychologist Dr. Gilligan.

In conclusion, let it be stated that the Zeitgeist Film Series is about critical thought regarding various social issues which challenge many erroneous notions held as fact in the modern culture. It also explicitly promotes non-violence, human unity and prosperous human development based on truth and science.

I am also in contact with my legal team and considering legal action against ABC.

-Peter Joseph

Yeah, “considering legal action” is one of those wonderful phrases, isn’t it? There are entire blogs devoted to denouncing the Zeitgeist Movement/Venus Project as a cult or a scam or some combination of both, and yet the director is “considering legal action” because TV networks interviewed a friend who said Loughner was into watching Zeitgeist.

And it’s all because he’s challenging the “status quo” of the “Social System” which, of course, the real villain. Also, Peter Joseph/Merola wants you to know that he is a persecuted humanitarian. So if you criticize him, you’re just like those people who called Martin Luther King a commie.

Peter Joseph, however, cannot blame the “mainstream media,” because it was Loughner’s friend — not a reporter — who said that Zeitgeist had a “profound impact” on Loughner. And, as extensively documented by the film’s fans and critics alike, the three main points of Zeitgeist are:

  1. The falsehood of Christianity.
  2. The 9/11 attacks were a government conspiracy.
  3. The money-based economy is a plot by “international bankers.”

We can summarize Peter Joseph’s public-relations problem in four simple words: “Facts are stubborn things.”

UPDATE VI: Greg Ransom at the Hayek Center:

The drug-addled mind of mass murderer Jared Loughner was under the spell of the crackpot socialist idea of a money-less, resource-based economic system, and other fallacies as old as Marx and Owen. . . .

You really have to read Mises and Hayek to understand why the fantasy of an egalitarian post-monetary society is . . . well, a fantasy.

There is no escape from prices, which are essential as information, and thus there is no way to make an economy function without money.

No matter how much or in what way government interferes with the market processes — through taxes, regulation, welfare, public-works projects, etc. – the market still exists. The fundamental realities of supply and demand remain, and cannot be escaped or transcended, no matter what government does. Joseph/Merola’s rantings against “our socio-economic system” convey exactly one thing: His near-total ignorance of economics.

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UPDATE 1/14: Rush Limbaugh mentioned Zeitgeist on his radio show today. See also:

  • How to Talk to a Follower of the Zeitgeist Cult (If You Must)
  • Zeitgeist: Watch the Conspiracy Movie That Had a ‘Profound Impact’ on Tucson Mass Murder Suspect Jared Loughner
  • ‘Vain in Their Imaginations’: God-Haters and the Tucson Massacre
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    • Joe

      Donnie Darko and A Scanner Darkly? Well clerarly we better blame Drew Barrymore and the late Philip K. Dick for these Arizona murders.

    • The Osprey

      This techonological socialist fantasy these “Zeitgeist” people are promoting sounds a lot like what Timothy Leary was peddling…in addition to his LSD crusade Leary was convinced that technology would in effect make money obsolete, that we would have a robot driven world economy that would produce enough for everyone and no one would have to work and that only the eeevil moneylords were holding it back.

    • http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

      Salvia, huh? That settles it. Clearly, he was influenced by the music of Miley Cyrus.

    • http://pointofagun.blogspot.com/ Dave C

      I was able to watch the clip of ‘Zeitgeist’ okay.. I didn’t have to believe in it.. only watch..

      subtle difference but it matters.

    • james

      The zeitgeist movement is enjoying all the publicity its getting and instead of apologizing for brainwashing people with baseless conspiracy theories the owner of zeitgeist releases a statement in response to the horrible murders with things like: the zeitgeist film is the most watch film of all time, famous documentary, and watch my next movie. Members are saying its time to reload on the forum. see here for details:

      http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/zeitgeist-and-jared-laughner/

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    • Joe

      Miley’s got a gun…

    • Bruce

      But the drugs are probably a symptom – of extreme mental illness – rather than any kind of cause. Severely mentally ill people often experiment with self-medication to try to control or extend the ‘high’ they already experience from their disease. The disease comes first.

    • http://twitter.com/RightKlik RightKlik

      This Zeitgeist crap sounds a lot like mainstream progressivism

    • http://twitter.com/Brandensilva Branden Silva

      “The impossibility of abolishing a “monetary-based” economy is one of the basic insights Ludwig von Mises explained in Socialism more than 80 years ago. That the objective of Zeitgeist is a global egalitarian redistribution of wealth classifies it as socialism and, as I think any orthodox Marxist would say, it is a utopian form of socialism.”

      You say many things and I wish I could touch on everything but because of the lack of time I can’t, but I certainly disagree with you on this matter.

      We lived without a monetary system for thousands of years until we invented what we have today. Of course we functioned in a barter type of a system until we were able to come to realization that gold, and eventually money, could easily replace the pitfalls of bartering. Eventually we outgrew even a currency backed by gold and it was eliminated for more liquidity. It’s important to note that every society from socialism to capitalism functions on money. It doesn’t apply directly to any type of ism. This currency, now backed by nothing, is created by a central bank, which in our case is The Federal Reserve.

      Of course before you somehow dismay what I’m saying and decide to rant off about how this is somehow ‘murderous’ thinking along the lines of Jared Lee Loughner’s standards, perhaps you should study in depth the existence of money and the men who fought hard to prevent a central bank from happening, which is what the actual movement promotes. The removal of the monetary system.

      Here’s one such man’s quote, “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.” ~ Thomas Jefferson.

      This is exactly what we are seeing today with a private central bank controlling the issuance of money and the further dominance of corporate and government power. Based on your overall logic on this subject matter, people should be okay with this as this is the status quo. Anyone who thinks outside the status quo is somehow associated with being a ‘murder’ now and is sick, twisted, or deranged.

      A lot of people in the Zeitgeist Movement has expressed their condolences about what happened in this situation, but assuming that somehow one video (which doesn’t condone, promote, or incite violence at all in any of the films) somehow is what makes someone a killer is absurd thinking in my book.

      There are many factors that play into why a person does certain things that will eventually tarnish their mental state to the point of going on a shooting rampage. Thinking that somehow playing a violent video game makes them all of a sudden an instant killer doesn’t seem very valid to me. If you are so worried about drug users and their fantasies, you should perhaps be also worried about how medicated America is at this moment and the effects it has on the mind as this is an ever increasing trend for people to escape reality, pain, and the sicknesses in which they pick up from their environments.

      If you go through the interview again you can hear many points they make in which points to other behaviors and situations in which contributed to this kids psychotic rampage.

      The response in which Peter gave was a response to ABC directly about their claims. With 200 million other views watching his film you would think that if people were somehow influenced by this film so much in a violent intent that they would be out murdering more people in droves. That’s just simply not the case and their is no documented proof of such a thing ever happening just from watching a documentary film.

      Just to reiterate, I’m not saying what Jared did was right. In fact, It was sickening and sad to hear about and I sincerely hope justice gets served for his behavior. I’m just simply pointing out that making baseless claims that somehow The Zeitgeist films had a major influence in this is purely a fallacy.

    • http://twitter.com/Brandensilva Branden Silva

      @james Wrong. Perhaps you should actually add some of these individuals and see what they said prior to this ABC news report when the actual event happened. Many expressed concerns over the matter and found it unacceptable.

      A majority of people don’t want this kind of stuff happening to anyone and I certainly doubt that the movement is somehow excited about this happening. It’s an unfortunate event. Some members are perhaps hoping that people will look into the film rather than taking blind assumptions as to what its about from the media but that by no means are they saying people have to watch it nor do they inciting violence in any of the films.

      In fact some of the 9/11 families who suffered have promoted the original film to bring awareness of the 9/11 situation because they feel as if the case isn’t closed yet. Tower #7 for example was never hit by a plane and it was very far away from the others so why did it collapse? There are a lot of questions to be asked about this and some of the families want the case reopened because the government hasn’t elaborated on much of this information. Just like the B.Y.U professor who got fired at his job for publicizing his finding on thermite at the location. The list of course goes on and on.

    • http://twitter.com/Brandensilva Branden Silva

      Well said Dave. People shouldn’t be naive and take the media’s word for it. Watch the first film and see what you think.

      If you feel as if you are somehow brainwashed and want to murder someone afterwards than I’d recommend you calling 9-1-1 and asking for help immediately.

    • http://twitter.com/Brandensilva Branden Silva

      I’m not familiar with Timothy Leary’s rants. However, we see technology already replacing many jobs. If Ray Kurtzweil, CEOs and futurists are any indication, then automation of the service industry is just around the corner. It’s already happened to the agricultural and industrial industry and it’s only a matter of time until your job or mine is next.

      I’d recommend you check out Marshall Brain’s insight on the subject matter. Also “The Light in The Tunnel” is a free book by Martin Ford discussing the effects of automation on the economy and how we can make the economy work as automation replaces more people.

    • http://twitter.com/Brandensilva Branden Silva

      I’ve seen both of these films. I guess I’m brainwashed and a danger to society. It’s typical slandering to assume that these movies or any specific individual source of information somehow makes people murders.

      I in fact thought these movies were weird as hell but hey everyone has different tastes. I’d be wrong to assume that these movies promote violence.

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    • http://twitter.com/Dandapani Dandapani

      Wow, Zeitgeist goes beyond socialism on the Left. Whodathunk?

    • Bob Belvedere

      Wow, Stacy, your brilliant reporting and bang-on commentary have earned you a Zeitgeist concern troll! Not bad.

    • http://twitter.com/dustbury Charles G Hill

      I have been observed listening to The Mars Volta and, yes, even Slipknot; it hasn’t affected me in the least, though it does have the salutary effect of discouraging visitors.

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    • DaveO

      This kid may not meet the legal definition of insane, but will likely fit the medical definition. Should that prove to be true, just about anything that distorts reality and the ability to perceive truth can be considered to influence him. I blame breakfast cereals myself. Government conspiracy and all that.

    • DonaldFurther

      Whomever write this blog post has a lot to learn about the Zeitgeist Movement. You will all eat your words when you see “Zeitgeist Moving Forward”. ;)

    • Donaldfurther

      Weren’t the Wright Brothers also told what they are trying to do is a fantasy? The economy is OVER. Oil is OVER. By 2030 oil is gone, by 2030 50% of the earth’s population will not have access to fresh water. By 2030 the monetary system will be dead. This new system is the only way out. Grow up or perish, you paranoid new world order lunatics.

    • Juanvaldez2830

      wow whoever wrote this garbage is just plain retarded. if u believe that children dying all over the world from starvation, ppl dying in the streets because theyre broke. seniors working at 90yrs old so they can afford their meds and think that building walls and more prisons too keep us safe, is a good thing. Then yes this movement is not for you. We are trying to imagine the world as a singular unit. that can support ALL human beings, not just the ones lucky enough to have pieces of paper that have 0 value in their pockets.

      So again I say, if you believe that the death of children, pollution of our enviroment and division of social classes (which leads to MORE crime, hatred and violence) then you have no place in the zeitgeist movement. We care about others and you simply care about yourself.

      How can any of you sleep at night knowing that if you have no net worth than your life means absolutely nothing

    • http://twitter.com/tzmsd_sonny TZM-SD – tzmsd.org

      This ‘article’ is noting more than a hit-piece riding in the wake of media propaganda. Absolutely slanted, ad-hominem, and without factual basis, nothing about this should be taken seriously. It assumes upon its readers that they should not take the chance of reviewing the ZM or Peter Joseph’s film for what they really are, but instead take for granted some assumed validity to the media-spin of some self-righteous blogger. Well it must be disappointing, because that’s an underestimation of people’s self-determination to find the truth for themselves.

    • YourBestFriend

      “And as for the idea of resources being “managed . . . efficiently and carefully” — by whom? Who has the capacity for this technological management of “resources”? Where will this managerial authority be vested? With “experts”?
      To any student of Mises and Hayek, this is simply the old “planned economy” fallacy dressed up in new clothes of globalism and “sustainabie development.”
      Who are these young fools who fall for such recycled nonsense? What are they teaching kids in school nowadays, that they are so easily taken in by these Zeitgeist charlatans?”

      I’m not going to try and educate you on how much technology has progressed in recent years. But I’d like to address this one point: do you realize how easy it would be to create a program where people around the world can input what material goods they need and it would be compared to the known resources in the world? Answer: not very easy, but doable. Maybe your 80-year old economists didn’t predict this thing called the internet.

      Maybe the schools of your youth should have taught you how to continue to learn things so that you’re not so easily taken in by centuries-old theories that have no more relevance in this age. Welcome to the 21st century.

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    • jojoedatireman

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_Life

      I had a friend who fancied himself an anarchist (the funny hair, pierced head to toe, leather and chains and spikes type) try to show me the above movie to convince me that I was wrong about the nature of liberty. It was my first exposure to “lucid dreaming” and while I do not agree with much of anything in the movie, it DID have a profound effect on me at the time.

    • Westie

      Good info Stacey, thanks, Appears that the combo of Salvia, Zeitgeist, conspiracy dreaming along with progressive parenting has resulted in a generation of un-moored pre-adults. These losers will plaque civil society just as the idiot hippy generation has.

    • USGenocide

      The sane part of this article is the quote by Peter Joseph, director of Zeitgeist. McCain’s argument, defending the status quo of a capitalist system that thrives on the warmongering of the US and Britain on behalf of a wealthy elite against the rest of humanity, should be so defunct by now only the Beck-Limbaugh-O’Reilly loving lunatics can still support it.
      Almost 20 years ago to the day, on the 17 of Jan 1991 the US began in earnest the genocide of Iraq. The American leadership responsible for the Genocide against Iraq and Afghanistan of the last 20 years should for once be subject to international law and punished for more than a million slaughtered over two decades in the Middle East.

    • Johnskaife

      I noticed that once it became apparent that Killer wasn’t a TEA/Bircher, the argument switched to one of ‘Zeitgeist.’ (Honestly, that word was in my head!) I never thought the connection between NYC/DC journalists and loonies would be found. And that it would be called ‘Zeitgeist.’ But there it is. Killer was indisputably a leftist.

    • Anonymous

      Careful, your Marxist religious beliefs are showing.

      Capitalism is incompatible with aggression. It is socialism and mercantilism that prosper in war. No Capitalist ever started a war.

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    • StupidLazyBums

      “…where people around the world can input what material goods they need and it would be compared to the known resources in the world?”

      Good. Lord.

      ‘What material goods they need” – who is going to determine what people “need”? Who is going to take people at their word? Who is going to provide these resources, especially those that do not exist without people’s labor and manipulation? Agriculture, manufacturing… who is going to do all that work?

      That Timothy Leary comment is very telling. Basically all these utopian fantasies are the products of people who DON’T WANT TO WORK and want something for nothing.

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