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Young Minions of the Sith Lord of Texas UPDATE: Perry Coming to Iowa Sunday

Posted on | August 9, 2011 | 67 Comments

DES MOINES, Iowa
For the past several days I’ve been referring to the prospective Rick Perry 2012 candidacy as the “Phantom Menace” looming over the Ames Straw Poll. Today I unexpectedly encountered the menace in the form of perky Texas coeds in burnt orange “Americans for Rick Perry” T-shirts:

While I’m usually very much pro-coed — especially the perky Texas kind — the appearance of these girls in Des Moines clearly represents a disturbance in The Force. Don’t doubt my Jedi senses on this one, folks. I’m getting spooky vibes. Readers will remember that I wrote Friday:

My phone just rang with a tip from a source who says his Texas sources tell him that Rick Perry is going to unofficially announce this weekend that he’s going to make an official announcement next week.

That tip was just slightly off as to the timing: The unofficial announcement came Monday via a Politico story. Now, let me ask you something: Why would a Republican save a big exclusive like that for Politico, while a conservative journalist like me was left to rely on secondhand (if quite accurate) rumors?

This is just one of those tiny little things, perhaps utterly insignficant, but perhaps an ill omen. Yeah, I know political journalists aren’t supposed to believe in “omens.” Still, there’s something vaguely . . . hinky about the way Perry’s stealth campaign has been operating here in Iowa.

Call me crazy. Attribute my forebodings of doom to irrational prejudice. Say what you will, and I don’t care, but I felt a need to put on the record my instinctive sense that there’s something fundamentally wrong about the Perry campaign. And if Jan. 20, 2013, brings the joyous inauguration of President Perry, then you can say my fears were mistaken. Yet I can’t shake my gut hunch is that it won’t work out that way. Some kind of catastrophe will result, one way or another.

Anyway, my apologies to any Rick Perry fans whose mellow has been harshed by these gloomy reflections. Here’s my video inteview of the perky Texas coeds Minions of the Sith Lord:

Oh — almost forgot: They were on hand for what had been billed as an event at the state capitol featuring Tim Pawlenty. I showed up a few minutes late, and Pawlenty had already split the scene, having refused to answer questions from reporters. But these Texas girls were still there and, after I finished getting them on video, I couldn’t resist the temptation to tell them: “We killed your quarterback. Roll Tide!”

UPDATE: Be afraid. Be very afraid!

Texas Governor Rick Perry will make a his first trip to Iowa Sunday, Perry’s campaign confirms.
Perry will speak at a fundraiser hosted by the Black Hawk County Republicans in Waterloo, Iowa, just one day after he gives a speech in which intends to make clear he will seek the presidency.
The Texas governor’s trip to the Hawkeye state will round out a tour of key early primary and caucus states for the 2012 election. He begins the weekend in South Carolina, speaking at the RedState Gathering, a conference for conservative bloggers and privately meets with GOP leaders in South Carolina.
Perry will then fly to New Hampshire for a house party hosted by state Rep. Pamela Tucker to meet Granite State Republicans in Greenland.

Which means that I’ll need to stay here through Sunday. Which means you’ll need to hit the tip jar.


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67 Responses to “Young Minions of the Sith Lord of Texas UPDATE: Perry Coming to Iowa Sunday”

  1. DaveO
    August 9th, 2011 @ 6:14 pm

    I understand Rick Perry is taking lessons from Fred Thompson on timing a campaign entry.

    And you, sir, blaspheme! BOOMER SOONERS!

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  3. Steve in TN
    August 9th, 2011 @ 6:58 pm

    What kind of catastrophe?  Seems like anything in Perry’s past would have come out during his long career…  The guy has been under the microscope for longer than any other Texas governor, and if you know anything about Texas you know that says something.  Texans love kicking the incumbent out of the mansion.

    So what is it to which you allude?

  4. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:05 pm

     The catastrophe I foresee is that O! already hates TX with the heat of 1000 suns. When Perry announces, he will move attempting to destroy it on every level to absolute priority. Speaking from experience, Texans won’t take too kindly to that.

  5. adolph.stephens
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:06 pm

    exactly!
    Burnt Orange, -I once had a pair of briefs turn that color, forgot I wasn’t sposed to drink the water in Mexico.  Doh!

  6. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:24 pm

    RSM: I’d not heard your speaking voice prior watching the above video. Anyway, sir, your genteel pronounciation of “literature” reminds me of the Findley character (played by Murray Hamilton) in The Hustler.

    I could use some elocution lessons, myself. My German/Irish ancestors settled in places like western PA and the south side of Chicago (the industrial “rustbelt”), where we mispronounce multisyllabic words as a matter of pride. 

  7. James Knauer
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:28 pm

    Perry’s problems are threefold: working for Gore, secession talk, and the GOP primary process, which will produce questions for  the general that will derail any GOP candidate at this point.  The insistence on increasingly unreasonable litmus tests for membership combined with the creation of multiple sets of facts in place of our shared reality dooms the GOP in general as presently constituted.   

    The GOP must now play defense against both the economy and their coming demographic wall.  Soon, races will turn toward the math, and again  the GOP will be playing defense, esp. in the House.

    Watch WI tonight.  Waves are built of such stuff.

  8. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:32 pm

    The mock-genteel “lit-ra-ture” pronunciation was just a bit of fun. I had a few old-style Southern schoolteachers who pronounced it that way.

  9. DaveO
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:32 pm

    By sheer coincidence, the day after Perry showed interest in running for Prez, the EPA rolled out an economy-destroying set of rules.

    Only coincidence mind you…

  10. DaveO
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:33 pm

    Knauer proves there is life out there beyond the stars after all.

  11. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:39 pm

    There have been a few little things — including one source who says Perry has been on the wrong side of the eminent-domain issue — that lead me to think Perry is a lot less certain ultimately to win the nomination than some people seem to think. What I fear will happen is that Perry will spend several months sucking up media oxygen and burning through GOP donor cash, only to collapse early next year. This will have the effect of suffocating other conservative candidates, and thereby lead to … Romney 2012.

    Understand, Steve: I’m not exactly anti-Perry.  I got nothing against him personally or ideologically, and many of my Texas friends swear by the guy. But in my experience, when something looks too good to be true, it usually is. And there is a too-good-to-be-true vibe to this idea of “Perry to the Rescue.” Maybe my Jedi senses are wrong this time, but I’ve got a spooky bad feeling and I just can’t shake it.

  12. AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:50 pm

    One minor quibble, Stacey: Perry is an Aggie.  He was against burnt orange before being against burnt orange was cool.

    Also- his “eminent domain” issue was only an “eminent domain” issue because the lefties cooked it up that way around the time of the Kelo decision.  The Trans-Texas Corridor would have been a series of highways and railways to transport goods (and people, but mostly goods) to and from the ports in and around Houston much more efficiently than we currently do.

    I opposed it then (and still do) but railways and roads are things eminent domain were designed for- so it wasn’t an eminent domain problem.  Eminent domain would have been fully justified (if proven necessary) had the bills authorizing TTC passed.

    They didn’t, Perry conceded defeat, and signed the bill that completely killed the idea dead-dead (instead of mostly-dead or even comic book dead).

  13. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 8:03 pm

    The Trans-Texas Corridor

    That’s what I’d heard about, and I accept your defense of it. But my point is that the governor was once in favor of a policy that was anathema to small-government conservatives. And then there’s that “Governor Gardasil” thing . . .

  14. James Knauer
    August 9th, 2011 @ 8:08 pm

    “Beyond the stars” infers an age of at least 13.6 billion years, and while I am deeply flattered, I can only report more pesky math from CNN:

    Democratic Party: Favorable 47%, Unfavorable 47%
    Republican Party: Favorable 33%, Unfavorable 59%

    The last poll before this one was from July 20th when the numbers were

    Dem: Fav: 45%, Unfav 49% GOP: Fav: 41%, Unfav 55%

    Unless the GOP improves its brand, it’s going to be a long election night. Much like tonight.

  15. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 8:09 pm

    I thought that you might be having some fun there.

    Btw, I’ve enjoyed reading your (as usual) excellent work on the trail in Iowa.

    And I agree, it seems like the Perry campaign is taking a weird approach up there (and in general). 

  16. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 8:21 pm

    Not to excuse past behavior/attitudes, but a lot of GOP cash was, at one time, on the wrong side of the eminent domain issue.

    For me, the important thing is that any serious 2012 candidate – if he/she was prone to “progressive” corporatist ideas 10 years ago -NOW must be in a different place AND he/she must be able to articulate that evolution philosophically, not just in soundbites.

    If we’re going to rescue this country, we’ll need large swaths of the American public to undergo major shifts in outlook/ideology, but that means that many of our allies will have previously promoted bad ideas.  

  17. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 8:35 pm

    In re: GOP’s “coming demographic wall.” Please explain this to me how this will play out, projecting 2-3 generations into the future.

    Specifically, which demographic groups will support what party/ideological trends and so forth, and why?

    For example, any implications with the urban (especially east/west coast) “progressives” having low birth rates, transgendered values, etc.?

    Or, will such factors be more than offset by other demographic groups? And, if so, how will those rising demographic groups interact with the future political-economic system?   

  18. James Knauer
    August 9th, 2011 @ 8:55 pm

    2-3 generations is eons in politics.  Both of us would be guessing. As presently constituted, however, the future is bleak.

    We can look to more immediate implications within the hispanic and black communities.  I have not seen any policies put forward by the GOP that do anything to reverse the millions of dollars and decades spent demonizing the exact people the GOP now has to have to win.

    The bigger issue extending beyond 2012 is the youth vote.  When Rep. Bachmann and Gov. Perry claim they are delivered to us by god to run, this sounds a huge negative among the majority.  Further, positions taken by politicians which drift from science can now be debunked in 3.5 seconds from the palm of your hand anywhere in the world.  See:  Sen. George “Macaca” Allen. See: the dethronement of Bill Clinton.

    Readers of this blog may not think this is a big deal.  Those under 40 would disagree.  And those under 30 were raised to vet information.   They expect facts supporting the shared reality, and in 2-3 generations, they will be our leaders.

    So long as the GOP hitches itself to the fact-adverse wagon, the bullet trains of the future will pass them by.  Many people over 50 cannot make the transition because it is coming too quickly.

    And then there’s this: http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns

    The GOP needs to find ways to keep up if it wants to win.  Current GOP policies tear down coalitions, not build them up,  and they are required to win big.

    And the country needs them to win big, eventually.  The Founders saw to it this will happen, in time.

  19. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:09 pm

    Ha! Ha! You think CNN is a reliable news source!
    *falls over laughing*

  20. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:14 pm

    The youth vote’s main interest right now is in finding a JOB, and they are smart enough to realize that all the BS they’ve been fed by the boomers about getting their tickets punched with a meaningless humanities BA is just that – BS. They are also pissed at having fallen for all the “Yes We Can” nonsense in 2008, and getting stuck with the bill for all the Boomers’ self-indulgent feel-good politics. Most of them are more libertarian than conservative, and they’re starting to realize getting the Feds out of the bedroom while letting them take over the rest of the house was a bad plan. Fact-adverse? I’d say we have plenty of facts, even if the Ruling Class and their media lapdogs pretend they don’t exist.

  21. James Knauer
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:22 pm

    Then why hasn’t the GOP put forth any job creation measures?  Dems are sitting on a $500 billion transportation bill  that could put millions to work by next summer.  Oh, that’s right.  Right afterward is the election, and jobs means recovery means Obama gets re-elected.

    The point is, the GOP won’t even try, and everyone knows it.  The people CNN interviewed certainly did.

  22. Joe
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:23 pm

    You have a point. 

    I go off track just to point out attractive women protecting property on the other side of the pond.

    Okay, back on track. 

    I am personally okay with most of the GOP candidates.  They are ALL better than Barack Obama.  So I want the strongest candidate who can take on Barack Obama and win the general election.  I am not sure who that is yet (I like Herman a lot, I like Sarah, I like Rick Perry because they do give a clear choice).  I am pretty sure it is not Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachmann, but I am willing to listen. 

    I am not a big fan of Romney because he is just too much come along, get along, and I worry more of that old time establishment republicanism is what we do not need.  I worry that he cannot close the deal.  Pawlenty falls into this catagory too and he seems to want to be the Veep to Romney.   

  23. James Knauer
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:24 pm

    There are no news sources any longer.  Just pointers along the way.  CNN’s is not the only measure.  I invite you to broaden your intake.

  24. Adjoran
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:38 pm

    I have an invitation for you, too, but this is a family website.

  25. Adjoran
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:40 pm

    Wow, that transpo bill sounds  . . . shovel ready!

    Sensible Republicans understand that Washington cannot create jobs, in the end it is only a consumer of wealth, not a creator.

  26. Bob Belvedere
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:42 pm

    Mr. Knauer: I’m getting this error when I try to look up the Google Profile your name links to:
    404. That’s an error.
    The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

  27. Bob Belvedere
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:45 pm

    Shouldn’t he be called: Governor Dippity-Do?

    http://youtu.be/CxTunPvi5pY

  28. Bob Belvedere
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:47 pm

    Lord…spare us another Texican.  We humbly beseech thee.

  29. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:51 pm

    I asked about 2-3 generations because “demographic walls” are not formed overnight, right?

    In the short-term, several factors working against the Democrats, as compared to the recent past:

    1. Voter ID laws might reduce some of the usual Democrat fraud, especially from illegals, plus the sluggish economy sent some of them back home, anyway. Obviously, it will decades for the U.S.-born Latino segment to grow in proportion to the total voting population.

    2. African Americans have voted over 90-percent for Democrats for years now (and, wow, look at how far that’s gotten them!); thus, that segment doesn’t figure to retain much untapped “material” (or voting strength) for building the “demographic wall” in the short-term, unless you count the Obama turnout factor, which might not be helped by 20+ percent unemployment among Afr Am males. According to social justice experts, though, voter ID laws will infringe on low-income Afr Am voting, even though ID requirements never seem to infringe on social welfare demands.

    3. Do you really expect young voters to turn out even MORE strongly in support of Obama/Democrats as they did during the apex of Hopey Changey? (btw, young adults are usually more ignorant about political matters than are older age segments). Anway, I don’t think this segment grew much the last 4 years, do you?

    In other words, I don’t see any “coming demographic wall” on the immediate radar screen, which is why I suggested that you look into your crystal ball. I’m all ears.        

  30. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 9:58 pm

    Sith Lord?
    Oh my.  The DNC/Journalistas will run with this one.
    Racists and Hobbits  and Sith Lords.     oh my

    Reagan’s 11th commandment – pshaw!

  31. James Knauer
    August 9th, 2011 @ 10:02 pm

    I do not regard voter fraud as an issue that actually affects the outcome of elections.  It’s largely made up B.S.  But if you have to have people show their papers for your satisfaction, so be it.  I guess.  It won’t affect turn-out.

    As for the black vote, the GOP could earn it back.  But not with policies that continue, say, the drug war, or the state of poverty and missing education.  Where is the GOP proposal to rebuild inner city schools and rid neighborhoods of gangs?  So spare me the “untapped market” B.S. These are actual people we are discussing, and their vote counts the same as yours.

    As for the hispanic vote, the GOP could earn it back but not with a focus on fences, but on making as many people as possible legal to broaden the tax base.  The drug war must also come to an end.  But these are things the GOP could do.  Obama, it turns out, has deported far more illgals than W.  Work with him on it.

    As for turn-out, watch WI tonight.  It will answer your question better than any prophesy.  I do know that both Gov. Perry and Rep. Bachmann will be a much stronger motivator to vote among the folks close to me than Obama.

    Hope and change is one thing.  The theocratic oligarchy the presently constituted GOP would like to usher in is much more dangerous to the Union, and therefore, all of us.

  32. James Knauer
    August 9th, 2011 @ 10:12 pm

    Sorry about the broken link.  The actual link is: http://jk.tmoa.org/

  33. Charles
    August 9th, 2011 @ 10:16 pm

    Rick Perry’s play is for VP. I suspect the idea is to replace Romney-Pawlenty with Romney-Perry as the establishment dream ticket. Cain will be promised the Commerce Department. Bachmann will be consoled with money for a 2014 run in Minnesota against Mark Dayton for Governor or against Al Franken for U.S. Senate.

    Romney-Cain is also possible. That was probably the point of the mosque apology, which Cain flubbed but not in a way that would stop his Commerce confirmation.

    Of course, it will embarrass the Perry effort if fellow Texan Ron Paul outpolls him at Ames, much as Pawlenty had been embarassed by the Bachmann surge. More phantom than menace I suspect.

  34. Bob Belvedere
    August 9th, 2011 @ 11:04 pm

    Thank you.

  35. The Camp Of The Saints
    August 9th, 2011 @ 7:31 pm

    Governor Dippity-Do To Run For President?…

    Well, it sure looks like Texas Governor Rick Perry is going to jump on the bucking elephant. Last Friday, Stacy McCain [who has been doing some great gonzo reporting from Iowa] relayed this: My phone just rang with a tip from a source who says his Texa…

  36. Anonymous
    August 9th, 2011 @ 11:37 pm

    For over 100 years, supporters of an activist government have complained that the American political system is prone to gridlock and yet the fed and state governments managed to pass enough legislation to fill a hundred libraries. Thus we’ve inherited bewildering webs of regulation upon regulation, socioeconomic “fix” atop socioeconomic fix, and so on. Do you really believe that we arrived at this troubled state of affairs as a result of politicians failing to cooperate?

    Government finds it increasing difficult to “function,” as you plead, when it attempts to solve all social problems in a hyper-complex world, while being handicapped/overwhelmed by thousands of other (often competing) government “fixes” that came before.

    Btw, a google search of the Voltaire quote, “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it,” generates over 677,000 hits , and that’s using a “” limited search.

    Yes, we need to work together, but that does not mean that we should expect the government to lead, fund, and micromanage much of our cooperative efforts, especially when we’re working on things concerning which the government is poorly suited to participate. Government is good at some things, and very poor at other things.

    How would you characterize the effectiveness of “progressive” social policy over the last 50+ years? I don’t mean whether politicians were able to “work together” to pass some legislation and then just assume that their well-intended programs would “do some good.” No, I mean what have been the long-term policy RESULTS of their social welfare “projects”?  

    In my mind, the “progressives” who’ve preached the loudest in the past, and made the most ambitious demands on government too often inadvertantly sowed more social destruction and dysfunction than they promoted “social justice.” In short, the long-term results of the social justice industry, which originally was conceived to “solve the social problem,” has been to create more social problems, poverty, inequality, and strife.

    So, no, I don’t want more “progressive” devastation, even if someone has new ideas for how to put lipstick on that pig, as a means of netting the GOP a few extra votes. Sorry!  

  37. Anonymous
    August 10th, 2011 @ 12:09 am

    I hate when those  Anglo maricones estupidos  do that!

  38. Zilla of the Resistance
    August 10th, 2011 @ 12:23 am

    If GOP donors were smart, they’d be directing that cash towards right wing bloggers instead of wasting it on candidates! Imagine how many road trips Stacy could make if he had Romney money!

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  40. Anonymous
    August 10th, 2011 @ 12:46 am

    Funny thing about them youts they, grow up.

  41. Anonymous
    August 10th, 2011 @ 1:05 am

    You are perhaps too cynical, and coming from a hard-boiled cynic like me, that’s saying something.

  42. Anonymous
    August 10th, 2011 @ 2:00 am

    The two groups can only work together if they are working towards the same goals, we are not. The Tea Party Freedom Fighters were not sent to congress to work with Bolsheviks, they were sent there to stop them. We sent them to reverse their agenda as much as possible and perform a holding action until enough of the reds are expelled from government to begin some serious repealing. Most of the successful jobs bills will have the phrase “do hereby repeal” in them.

  43. Obi's Sister
    August 10th, 2011 @ 2:08 am

    STAAAAAAACY – I will be at the RedState event Saturday.  Be sure you have my phone number handy.

  44. Bob Belvedere
    August 10th, 2011 @ 3:33 am

    It is time we on the Right realize that there is no reasoning with the Left, that they will not listen.

    Their minds are closed and bolted shut to any arguments because they believe they have found THE ANSWER, the Way. The Progressives believe they are the only Enlightened Ones and that we are, at best, misguided idiots, and, at worst, dangerous and insane lunatics. This is what they believe. Don’t kid yourself that they view us as anything but fools or thought criminals. Just think of the ways they describe us and our ideas…go ahead, think…I’ll wait…well? In their depraved way of thinking, the Left believes that the Right is evil.

    Therefore, there’s no point in EVER arguing with them about anything.

    The time has come for us to refuse to deal with them in any reasonable way. To engage them in any conversation is to give them and their ideas legitimacy, to announce that their fantastical thinking is normal – it is not. Created in the sterile laboratories of their minds, the ideas and schemes of the Left are unrealistic, unworkable, and unsuited to human beings living in Reality. Therefore, we are only wasting our time in arguing with them. They are zealots, fanatics who cannot be persuaded with Right Reason. We must forego trying to argue with them and go on and do what it takes to restore and then maintain our freedoms and liberties. Perhaps, just perhaps, by the example we set, a few of the loons will recover their mental health sufficiently to see the light and fight against their crippling [and dangerous to others] retardation.

  45. Anonymous
    August 10th, 2011 @ 4:10 am

    The succession talk is horses^!t and belongs in the same file as I can see Russia from my house. Not surprised it’s become part of your mythology.

  46. Anonymous
    August 10th, 2011 @ 12:33 pm

    I agree that it’s a waste of time, and frequently counterproductive, to argue with calcified leftist ideologues.

    However, we might possibly persuade a few of the everyday non-activist/non-intellectual/non-junkies (i.e. credulous neophytes) who know little about politics and history (and what they do know was packaged by their leftist teachers), but whom feel themselves aligned with the left (Democrat Party and/or the “progressives”). Those folks have not yet become ideologues and therefore are reachable.

    The trick is sorting between the ideologues and non-ideologues, because the former will often pose as the latter. Still, I think it’s worth the effort, within reason.

  47. ThePaganTemple
    August 10th, 2011 @ 1:41 pm

    Well, I watched Wisconsin last night. You were saying?

  48. tranquil.night
    August 10th, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

    I feel it too Stacy.

    The Perry campaign has all the hallmarks of foreplay that starts out great but goes on way too long. Then when you actually get to the fun, it’s incredibly short-lived and anti-climactic.

  49. DaveO
    August 10th, 2011 @ 10:29 pm

    What filibusters? Folks forget that what the press dribbles on about filibusters – it’s really the threat of them, and the cloture vote that precedes them.

    Knauer, why are you engaging in name-calling if you want to an end to name-calling? “Theocratic Oligarchy…” Really?

    There is not a need for social justice. There is a need for justice, and that scares the hell out of folks. And for some reason, I can’t find “social justice” in that Constitution you look to for inspiration and ideas. Maybe it was in the Articles of Confederation.

    Government can not create wealth, but it can create jobs. In government, until the money runs out. Since January of 2009, most of the jobs created have been government jobs. Now with the cuts come the RIF, so even those jobs are being lost.

    Government can create the legal and regulatory environment that permits capitalism to thrive. But not under this administration with its hidebound adherence to academic theories that never seem to work in even so much as a kid’s lemonade stand.

  50. DaveO
    August 10th, 2011 @ 10:32 pm

    I wonder if we should be teaching kids civics earlier in their school career – such as 6ht grade. By 10th grade many Progressive footsoldiers have dropped out or tuned out of school.