OK, that’s a slight distortion:
Why I’d back Obama over Ron Paul
What I can’t understand is why Phil felt the need to write a column like that. Nobody who supports Ron Paul is open to persuasion, and Republicans who don’t support Ron Paul are unlikely to undergo a last-minute conversion at this point. (Unless, like Kent Sorenson, they’re sold-out backstabbers.)
Klein seems to be making a “here, top this” gesture, striving for the championship in the Anti-Ron Paul Derby. And, of course, his criticism will be dismissed by Paul’s supporters with two words: “Israel lobby.”
Why doesn’t the option, “Why I would vote third party if Ron Paul is the Republican nominee” seem to exist?
I would either vote third party or vote for Ron Paul only because Congress would keep him from doing anything completely insane (and he still would be a better alternative to Barack Obama).
Before I read the linked Klein article I’ll say I came to the same conclusion last week.
If forced to decide in November 2012 between Paul or Obama (or a write in, or Libertarian), I’d feel forced to vote Obama. And I’d hate every Paul supporter forever for making me do it.
Why? Because the most important job a President has is protecting the country. Obama is slowly destroying the American Moment. He’s wiping it from history as if it had never been. He must be defeated.
But Ron Paul’s insane foreign policy is an open invitation to nuclear holocaust in the Middle East, and that is far more dangerous to the US than anything intended by the SCOAMFOTUS.
I wanted to think we could survive four years of Paul. (His domestic ideas, at the macro level, are good ones.)
We wouldn’t survive the first three years of a Paul administration.
If Paul were on the ballot as Republican nominee, I couldn’t even vote a write-in. (Not unless a major movement with serious money–i.e., a LOT more than Perot had when he got 5%–started a write in campaign.)
Personally, given the choice between Obama and Paul, I would do a write-in. I would consider a write-in with Romney. I’m a conservative Republican. That’s what I am. I expect the GOP nominee to be a conservative Republican, and if I dont’ have that option, I’ll write in a name. I could vote for any of these candidates but Paul, and would seriously have to think about voting for Romney.
If given a choice between Obama and Paul, I will most certainly vote for Ron Paul.
BTW, Here’s the link to Klein’s Article.
I know for a fact that Ron Paul will be our Neville Chamberlain of the Americas, “Peace for our time,” (Like THAT’S ever going to happen) and I know for a fact that [when] Ron messes something up as President of the US, he’s going to blame the usual suspect, us, the american people. But I cannot in good conscious support the Chicago thug in the White House, I swore my allegiance to protect and defend the Constitution of the US, Obama doesnt care and will discard it along with the American people to the ash heap of history.
the other candidates are the neville chamberlins. They are so afraid of appearing weak or anti israel that they want to continue dolling out billions to police countries on the other side of the world. While China laughs at us.
Wow, the
p0rn raulacolytes have descended over at Klein’s Examiner article page. It’s happy time in the land of Jew hatred.They couldn’t stop him in the FP area. Not enough to matter.
Let us celebrate with our fellow Jewish bretheren another round of Christmas before the Paulies lets the Muslim wolves eat Israel, ready you Zionists? everybody, “Oy to the World!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFR3zh1BRk
Apparently you did not see the reply button on the right bottom cornor of my post. one reaction to your post though, “huh?!?”
Thank you for reminding me NOT to support Pauly in the primary and reluctantly for the general.
The Paul haters are out in their much less impressive numbers as well. It’s happy time in the land of political correctness.
Romney is, as Malin describes him, a progressive. I could vote for Paul, but wouldn’t like it. But *will not* vote for Romney. He is not different enough from Obama to matter.
I hold Klein in contempt, but not because of Ron Paul. I will say the way the 16 year olds masquerading as conservatives will play a large part in turning people off and might re-elect Obama as a result.
Frankly, we are in enough trouble without the antiPaultards yelling like a bunch of playground trash talkers.
Ron Paul is right though about foreign policy. Hold your nose and vote for Ron Paul like you did for Bush and McCain, if he gets the nod.
“Even if it were desirable, America is not strong enough to police the world by military force. If that attempt is made, the blessings of liberty will be replaced by coercion and tyranny at home. Our Christian ideals cannot be exported to other lands by dollars and guns. Persuasion and example are the methods taught by the Carpenter of Nazareth, and if we believe in Christianity we should try to advance our ideals by his methods. We cannot practice might and force abroad and retain freedom at home. We cannot talk world cooperation and practice power politics”-Howard Buffett
I could vote for Ron Paul for President. I could also show up on time for a date with Allysa Milano. The former scenario is as likely to happen as the the latter.
Off Topic but: Cheetah death hoax? And Hollywood bad behavior.
Paul’s foreign policy is basically to blame the US and Israel for everything bad that happens in the world, therefore, the US should retreat back to our borders and cut ourselves off from the world.
His foreign policy is even more naive, reckless, and dangerous than Obama’s. At least Obama has seemed to learn a tiny bit about The Way The Real World Works. I have no illusion that Paul would live within his own little bubble.
If Ron Paul managed to get the GOP nomination (extremely unlikely, but, then, look at how Obama rose to be POTUS), we should start a write in for Paul Ryan
That works for me. Although I think we all know there is no way Ron Paul could get the nomination.
Agreed. Though I’ll vote for a 3rd Party if Mittens is the nominee too. So at this point, the GOP’s unending ability to slobber the media into finding the least viable candidate has assured I vote elsewhere.
I won’t vote for Paul or Romney. Paul because he’s dangerous, Romney because he’s Obama-lite.
Why not just cut out the middle man and vote for Obama, then? You obviously prefer him to Romney, and no matter how many useless idiots qualify for a ballot, the race is between the Republican nominee (whoever that is, but looking Romney now) and Obama.
You don’t get to vote “present.” Not supporting the GOP winner IS voting FOR Obama.
As long as you aren’t denying that, it’s a free country.
The original is at
If Ron Paul’s foreign policy had been in force after WWII, we would be living in Soviet America today. Paul opposes the foreign bases, alliances, and clandestine operations that won the Cold War.
Of course, Paul’s supporters just want to see dead Joos, so they don’t care about what happens to America.
Don’t you have Joos to round up, or are you on a doobie break?
Because how could you tell the difference?
uh oh the thought police are after me. I guess I need diversity training.
This kind of drivel is a direct slash at the fabric of what remains of the GOP. In about two election cycles, the GOP is going to be toast demographically unless we miraculously start converting all these minorities to (R) voters. Bush tried it in earnest and had so-so results, and McCain face-planted.
So if we’re going to call Ron Paul supporters jew haters and pacifists, don’t be surprised when we lose more and more voters who we need to win.
I will vote for Romney, or Santorum, Perry or even Huntsman. Gingrich lost me. And haters like you alienate me even further to the point I may vote third party or just stay home.
Signed a card-carrying MOT.
Whatever.
I”d vote for Ron Paul over Obama — Obama has shown a lot of contempt for the Constitution, and as he was once a politician from my home state I knew him and what he was like.
I voted for McCain (and would have without Palin) because of this, warts and all; I would vote for Romney (whom I disdain); I would even vote for Perry (whom I despise) over Obama…Ron Paul isn’t that much of a stretch in light of that.
Which is worse though? Acting tough and then losing the fight, or trying to avoid the fight in the first place?
Haven’t we learned our lesson? We can’t win a war in the Middle East and we’ve left it worse off than before.
I realize that many people still believe in the fantasy that Bush sold us – that they just want “freedom”. But they’ve proven otherwise – they want Islamism. From Turkey to Egypt to Libya, that’s the choice of the people.
They might respect a strong horse. But we’ve proven to be a weak one, exiting from Iraq and getting our butts kicked in Afghanistan. Starting yet another war that we will lose will hurt us more than not starting one.
Iran is going to gets nukes. They really aren’t that hard to build. We’ve lived with Pakistan having them, which is arguably the most anti-American country in the world (you know, the whole hiding Bin Laden thing? The supporting of the Taliban in a war against us? Etc, etc, etc?)
Actually, that should be lobbed at the Paul bashers. You’re the ones that apparently thinks that Israel can’t take care of itself, that it constantly must be told what to do by the US, as if it’s a country of children (or lessers).
We should do what Paul says – get out of Israel’s way and let them solve their own problems. As their history has shown, they’re more than capable of it.
Given our own failure in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think Israel would be the better choice, period.
Not going to vote for Gingrich? Hater.
lol.
Ron Paul’s foreign policy is about owing up to the consequence of US actions. We get the blame and the credit. His foreign policy is more of the golden rule, I’ll take care of my stuff…you take care of your stuff, if you want to fight me…you will die. That’s not naive.
What is naive, William is your worldview. You think it’s acceptable to go around the world, as the US does and nonchalantly assassinate world leaders in Vietnam, Iran, and elsewhere. To think think that there will not be any consequences for those actions is stupidity. We(US) may not accept the responsibility for these actions, but these countries blame us. And in the process it destroys our liberty.
America is slowly declining because of our military intent of interventionism everywhere. The military by the way loves Ron Paul, something which a lot of Neocons like you ignore.
My main point William is this, there is huge difference between paraphrasing Ron Paul by saying blame the US and Israel for everything bad that happens ‘ , whereas I say Ron Paul is more about accepting responsibility for your actions.
Let me get this straight; if Justices Scalia and Thomas dropped dead in the summer of of 2013 or 14 or 15, you would be fine with Obama appointing their successors?
I would also like to add this: in light of some of the First Lady’s comments concerning re-election as a second chance to fundamentally change the makeup of the SC anyone thinking of voting for Obama because their least favorite GOP canidate got the nomination should seriously re-evaluate our thinking.
The 2nd Amendment hangs on a very slim majority right now you know. And if we lose that basic right, well, what then?
We are too broke to do much overseas without destroying ourselves in the long run, so I will vote for Paul.
The Judges meme is rubbish. Remember Papa Bush giving us Souter? I do. What Statists consider “conservative” isn’t.
Sorry Adjornan, I’m not voting ‘present,’ I’m voting convictions. It’s time we stop mistaking ‘conservative’ and ‘Republican.’ They’re not the same. The Establishment has drilled that point home. They can have their party by themselves, as far as I’m concerned.
In reality, Long-term, Mittens is worse for conservatism, and the country. Because four years of him as President will allow the media to continue conflating “Conservative’ and ‘GOP’. Then when 2016 comes around, the Left will nominate another progressive, and Mittens will show his usual ‘electability’ by fleeing from the Presidency, just as he did Gov of Mass. And we’ll have 12 out of 16 years of Progressives, with a good chunk of the 2nd 8 a Dim Congress too. Rather than 8years (with a divided congress) and 8 years with a real conservative in the White House.
So yep. Mittens is worse for the country, long-term, than 4 more years of Obummer and the GOP. If he lasted the term, given impeachment possibilities.
And in the meantime there’s no difference between the Israelis and the Palestinians, and Iran has the perfect right to acquire nuclear weapons, according to the Bizzaro World foreign policy of Booger-Eater Paul and The Paultards. It’s those two things, and saying we Americans brought 9/11 on ourselves, and by extension all other terrorist acts and the GWOT, which make up the reasons I could never vote for that slimy son-of-a-bitch.
Hold my nose? Bullshit, I’d have to willingly undergo a lobotomy to vote for that fucking idiot. A sane person voting for Booger-Eater Ron Paultard would be tantamount to one willingly wanting to succumb to a zombie apocalypse.
We’ll see. I’d better like what the fuck he says in the general election, and I god damn better sure like the fuck what he does if he does win. Because if he fails on either count, I vote against him either this time out, or the next time. A clue, if he runs this time out as a member of the Moderate Independent Party in the general election, yes I might vote for Obama as a protest. I’m tired of settling for bullshit. I don’t take kindly to some motherfucker pissing in my face and telling me its raining.
Sometimes you have to yell to make sure you are heard, especially when you have hundreds of Paultards descending on campaign events and spamming polls and comments sections. What, we’re supposed to just shut the fuck up and make people thing we don’t care what they’re doing?
No, Romney will get the nomination, which would be a little bit better.
Many Ron Paultards do hate dem Jooos, you can find them all over Stormfront and KKK sites, and they as well as other Paultards are also pacifists and 9/11 truthers. What, we’re going to turn people off by telling the truth? Only if Paul gets the nomination, but that’s not going to happen.
our = your
ther eis a huge difference between the palestinians and the israelis and the israelis and most of the rest of the arab world. They are part of western civilization which is better than muslim civilization in most ways.
Unfortunately rthat means absolutely nothing.
The arabs drove the commies out, they are driving us out and eventually they will probably drive most of the israelis out. The odds are simply in their favor demographically. It’s not pro palestine to point this out. It’s just the law of the jungle.
Agreed. The Anti-Paul stuff I’ve been reading here and elsewhere is as bad as even the most overdramatic supporters of Ron Paul are. No actual facts, just a bunch of name-calling. No seeming awareness of the potential flaws of the neocon foreign policy, which has cost us trillions of dollars for uncertain if not nonexistent gains. And BTW, Paul voted for the invasion of Afghanistan– so much for his being a pacifist. And yes, like “Nervous Republican” I’m also a fellow card-carrying MOT (That’s “Member of the Tribe” for all you non-Jews out there. )
It’s just completely idiotic. And yes, as a fellow Jew, when I see a guy like Philip Klein, whom I like and respect, and consider to be a shrewd political analyst, and whom as he acknowledges in his column really agrees with Paul on most domestic policy– when I see him saying he wants to vote for a radical socialist like Obama over Paul because of foreign policy, when I know that Klein hates everything Obama stands for, and when I see the same thing happening from many other columnists, and when I see that the most influential people attacking Paul are Jewish in significant disproportion, I tend to think, hmm, maybe there is an ethic interest in Israel (one that I share myself to be clear) that, consciously or subconsciously, plays a role here in what would otherwise be considered to be unexpected behavior. And my thinking that would have been considered totally unremarkable a few decades ago, before the PC fanatics took over the Republican party.
Thinking that doesn’t make me an anti-Semite, it makes me someone with common sense. Too bad most Republicans seem to have lost theirs.
I read something to the effect that Paul was going to vote against the invasion of Afghanistan, but he changed his mind when his own staff threatened a revolt. I don’t know if that’s true or not, I never got around to looking into it, and unfortunately I neglected to bookmark the link. But if it is true, you know what that means, don’t you?
It means boogers supply brain nutrition, but only up to a certain age.
Keep yelling if you want to act like a playground trash talker.
As for being an antiPaultard, refutation is far better than way your twerps are acting. All people see is you acting like a boisterous moron and ignore the message you try to get across. Frankly, it gives you, and those actually acting like a conservative, a bad name. You need to leave the crunchy con garbage on South Park.