The ‘Optics’ of Tyranny

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With the mainstream media enthusiastically parroting Democrat “shutdown” propaganda, they think they can get away with anything:

In a stunning development, some military priests are facing arrest if they celebrate mass or practice their faith on military bases during the federal government shutdown.

Da Tech Guy soberly observes:

I suspect arrest of Catholic Priests for saying mass will be extremely popular with some the Democrat base, particularly those celebrating Wendy Davis.

Democrats: Killing Babies, Persecuting Christians.

 

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  6. You see, military members don’t have civil rights in the normal sense. They have only what the UCMJ doesn’t restrict. And that can be interpreted pretty damn loosely with the default being for enlisted folks, insubordination in refusing to follow orders or for the officer ranks, conduct unbecoming as well as insubordination.
    Enlisted can, under this interpretation, face punishment at the company level or even charges under Article 15 for simply attending a Mass celebrated by one of the ‘furloughed’ Priests.

  7. Mr President and Garym. I understand that “civil rights” don’t exist when you put on the uniform but what’s the point of defending the country when the out of control government becomes the bad guys? Sounds a lot like “We had to destroy the village in order to save it.”

  8. Satan would feel right at home as a Democrat. Wonder when he’ll be formally welcomed to the national convention?

  9. I hope the Chaplains will allow themselves to get arrested.
    Ask for intecession from St John Vianney, St John of the Cross and any other Saint who was a Priest. Preach the Gospel, celebrate the Sacraments. If this is allowed to stand we will officially be a dictatorship.

    Time for a National Strike.

    And now Obama is shutting down the ocean:

    http://tinyurl.com/pav3ev6

  15. Civil rights don’t exist in uniform but requirements of Duty and Honor are multiplied and that *includes* the sacred responsibility of, oh, refusing illegal orders and other similar things. I’m not talking about some supposed need to question orders or not do anything that you might think is smokey or the idiotic “illegal war” thing… I’m talking about what you know is Right and what you’ve a duty to stand up to and take consequences for. Take the classic “movie land” example of particularly dangerous hazing, or massacring a village full of children. Sure, we understand that. But there are also smaller things that a person has to stand up to, and the duty to do so even if it means a captain’s mast or article 15 or whatever goes on your record when you get your opportunity to explain to a board of big mucky-mucks what *exactly* you were ordered to do.

    I’ve known people who won their arguments with their superiors by using the phrase, “So court marshal me,” because command stupidity *hates* the notion of having their stupid paraded in front of their peers.

  16. Civil rights don’t exist in uniform but requirements of Duty and Honor are multiplied and that *includes* the sacred responsibility of, oh, refusing illegal orders and other similar things. I’m not talking about some supposed need to question orders or not do anything that you might think is smokey or the idiotic “illegal war” thing… I’m talking about what you know is Right and what you’ve a duty to stand up to and take consequences for. Take the classic “movie land” example of particularly dangerous hazing, or massacring a village full of children. Sure, we understand that. But there are also smaller things that a person has to stand up to, and the duty to do so even if it means a captain’s mast or article 15 or whatever goes on your record when you get your opportunity to explain to a board of big mucky-mucks what *exactly* you were ordered to do.

    I’ve known people who won their arguments with their superiors by using the phrase, “So court marshal me,” because command stupidity *hates* the notion of having their stupid paraded in front of their peers.

  17. Exactly. Civil disobedience that willsuppressed by militarized police while the military is told to stand down (as happened at the Navy Yard shooting). I fear this will lead eventually to armed insurrection and all of our military members being forced to choose to support the Marxist regime of Barack Obama or to separate and support the insurrectionists. I also fear that it will not be as amicable separation as happened in the Civil War with wholesale slaughter of minority viewpoints in some military units.
    And I’m an optimist!

  18. Exactly. Civil disobedience that willsuppressed by militarized police while the military is told to stand down (as happened at the Navy Yard shooting). I fear this will lead eventually to armed insurrection and all of our military members being forced to choose to support the Marxist regime of Barack Obama or to separate and support the insurrectionists. I also fear that it will not be as amicable separation as happened in the Civil War with wholesale slaughter of minority viewpoints in some military units.
    And I’m an optimist!

  21. As a non-practicing Catholic and agnostic I don’t know how to respond to this from a spiritual standpoint. I have lost my faith, so I can only speak from a 1st Amendment perspective.

    These priests are required by their religious beliefs to perform the mass. Therefore…they must. No government entity can legally stop that. They could have refused to allow such practices on government property prior, but that opportunity has long since passed. They could arrest the priests for trespass. But they cannot arrest them once they have allowed those men admittance onto federal property, simply because they are exercising their Constitutionally protected 1st Amendment rights.

    If the government goes this route, I suspect they will be sued by the Church for a various array of Constitutional violations. The administration has already shown that it will intimidate elderly veterans. Does it really want to aggravate any more of the voting population by arresting priests? That’s a very bad gamble.

    I do wonder…is the administration halting mosque worship on federal facilities? Could someone please find out about this?

  22. Julie Pascal is correct on this one. A very easy path to making this all go away is for enlisted to request “en masse” (pardon the pun) a court martial if they are charged under Article 15 for attending a service.

    It will force those bringing charges to explain themselves to a military judge on each and every single case. Also, each of the enlisted could file complaints against their superiors for this type of action. Which could end up backfiring and destroying a commander’s career. Not to mention…the press on this sort of thing if it were to hit the court martial level?

    Enlisted are not totally powerless. Just mostly.

  25. Agreed. However, most enlisted are very cowed by the prospect of rebelling against thier NCO’s and Officers. Many ways to make their lives miserable and to intimidate them in ways not seen. Attrition would be heavy on something like this. Being that a majority of enlisted are graduates of the indoctrination camps known as publik skools, they really do fear being unemployed, unemployable or dishonorably discharged. They also lack knowledge about their rights and how government is supposed to work.

  26. Not to my knowledge. Nor any protestant ministers to my knowledge either. Lots of other civilian contractors, NOAA weather personnel and civilian gate guards are furloughed.

  27. I knew a man who used to love to talk about icebergs and their tips.

    It’s a funny thing about icebergs. That’s why they’re so damn dangerous. They look so small, until your ship is already sinking. That’s when you realize you’ve been undone. And by what? The most dangerous element on earth.

    Water.

    Millions upon millions of solid drops of it. And you never see it coming.

  29. Exactly. However, Obama considers he has no peers to be embarassed in front of. Most commanders would weasel out by claiming a Presidential Order to do so and so … Just as weaselly and disreputable as the German Officers at Nuremburg claimed as an excuse for performing acts they knew were illegal.

  30. Even if only one did it, the presiding officer of the Court Martial would be required to throw it out. Without undue command influence, there is no way such a court martial will proceed.

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