“You need a man to be a man and a woman to be a woman. That’s why relationships work.”
— Kirsten Dunst
“Feminists claim to be pro-woman, but they only support ‘correct’ choices and decisions.”
— Katie Yoder
“If you consider sexual desire and romantic love between men and women to be natural and healthy, you are not a feminist.”
— Robert Stacy McCain
Common sense has become extraordinarily rare in recent years, especially among the intelligentsia, who seem increasingly angry that reality refuses to conform itself to their abstract theories. The idea that women enjoy being women — and “need a man to be a man” to make “relationships work” — is such a direct contradiction of feminist gender theory that it’s practically a hate crime to say so:
Feminists are furious with actress Kirsten Dunst. She is being trashed online as “an insufferable person”, “kind of dumb”, and other harsh, expletive-laden phrases unfit for print. Her sin? During a recent interview with Harper’s Bazaar UK, Dunst dared to speak well of femininity, including the traditional role of a nurturing mother . . . In response, writer Ariane Sommer told Fox 411: “Being open towards being what is considered feminine at times: Yes! But regressing to a 1950s archetype of womanhood: Hell no.’”
Did you catch that? Sommer spoke of “what is considered feminine,” as if the categories “feminine” and “masculine” are entirely artificial. This is the fundamental feminist doctrine of gender as a “social construct.” If you reject that doctrine — if you think male and female roles are in any sense a natural expression of innate biology — you are not a feminist.
Feminists who speak of “a 1950s archetype of womanhood” intend it as a pejorative insult to an entire generation of women, and expect us not to resent the insult to our own mothers and grandmothers who were, in fact, entirely deserving of respect. When I think of my mother, my Aunt Barbara, my Aunt Pat and my beloved grandmothers, I certainly do not think of them as weak, helpless creatures, as Ariane Sommer would have you think of them. And what about my beautiful wife, the mother of our six children? Does that German bimbo Ariane Sommer suppose she can insult my wife this way and expect me not to resent it?
“There needs to be a modern approach to gender roles that is rooted in the reality of our day to day lives. . . . Women have fought too hard and too long for the liberties we are able to enjoy now and there still is a lot of work that needs to get done towards gender equality.” — Ariane Sommer
Well, shucks, ma’am, I don’t know much about the “day to day lives” of Maxim models — “the liberties we are able to enjoy now,” indeed! — but the reality of most women’s lives nowadays involves “a lot of work” toward paying the bills, rather than pursuing intellectual crusades for the utopian goal of “gender equality.”
Friedrich Hayek called “social justice” a mirage, and the same may be said of “gender equality.” It is a mirage, a will-o’-th’-wisp, a phantom goal whose pursuit is a fool’s errand because it can never be obtained. Worse even than that, as our laws and institutions are altered to fit the radical egalitarian plans of social engineers, attitudes and behaviors are altered in ways that actually make life worse for women, who are alleged to be the intended beneficiaries of the feminist project.
Efforts to eradicate the connection between sexual biology and social reality are couched in euphemistic jargon — “a modern approach to gender roles” — that serves to conceal the nature and purpose of such projects. These intellectual phrases suppress our curiosity as to what the social engineers actually have in mind, and stifle skeptical criticism.
What problem do the feminists propose to solve? If we agree that there is indeed such a problem, is the solution proposed by the feminists likely to achieve its intended result? Or, alternatively, is it possible that the feminist analysis is mistaken both as to the nature of the problem and the best means of solving it? Could it be that the solutions proposed by the feminists might not only fail to solve a problem, which they have misunderstood to begin with, but also create new problems, resulting in a situation in some ways worse than the original situation?
“Believe me, sir, those who attempt to level never equalise. In all societies, consisting of various descriptions of citizens, some description must be uppermost. The levellers therefore only change and pervert the natural order of things; they load the edifice of society, by setting up in the air what the solidity of the structure requires to be on the ground.”
— Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
Students of modern history can little doubt that advocates of liberal “reform,” no less than radical revolutionaries, have often created new problems through their attempts to solve old problems. The Law of Unintended Consequences is routinely ignored by would-be reformers, who never seem to consider that (a) some problems are inherent in human nature, (b) social behavior is influenced by a complex network of incentives, and (c) altering any existing system of social incentives may yield results that contradict the expectations of reformers, occasionally even surprising the opponents of reform.
Lena Dunham’s recent comment that it was a “huge disappointment” for her to realize she is not lesbian, for example, highlighted how cultural celebrations of Gay Rights have actually stigmatized heterosexuality in the eyes of many young people.
Feminist Heterosexual Guilt Syndrome is a consequence of radical egalitarian doctrine that no one predicted, but which in hindsight we can see as a logical result of feminist ideology and rhetoric. Likewise the controversy between radical feminists and transgender activists was little expected by adherents of either cause. The reason most people — including many of those who call themselves feminists — failed to anticipate these developments is because it has been a conscious strategy of feminists to conceal from the general public the radicalism inherent in their ideology. Mainstream feminism has only become “mainstream” because leaders of the movement and their progressive allies have striven to marginalize, at least in public debate, those radicals who insist on speaking the blunt truth about their beliefs and goals.
“Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice.”
— Ti-Grace Atkinson, 1971
“The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist.”
— Sheila Cronan, 1988
“Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.”
— Andrea Dworkin, 1989
“Men have been creating ideologies and political practices which naturalize female heterosexuality continuously in every culture since the dawns of the patriarchies. . . . Female heterosexuality is not a biological drive or an individual woman’s erotic attraction . . . Female heterosexuality is a set of social institutions and practices.”
— Marilyn Frye, 1992
“Male supremacy is centered on the act of sexual intercourse, justified by heterosexual practice.”
— Sheila Jeffreys, 2005
What further explanation does anyone need? Catherine MacKinnon, Mary Daly, Janice Raymond, Dee Graham — one could extend the list to include dozens of names of feminist activists and academics who have insisted all along (a) that equality for women required overthrowing the patriarchy, (b) that heterosexuality and patriarchy are inextricably connected, and (c) that therefore female equality was ultimately synonymous with lesbianism.
We are “Slouching Toward Angrogyny,” as I remarked last year, in large part because conservatives have refused to “interrogate the fundamental assumptions” of feminism. Why are so many people willing to believe, for example, that taxpayer-funded contraception is the essence of “women’s rights”? How has the avoidance of motherhood become accepted as so vitally necessary that no one flinches at the bloodthirsty vehemence of pro-abortion spokeswomen?
“I don’t want a baby. . . . Nothing will make me want a baby. . . . “This is why, if my birth control fails, I am totally having an abortion.”
— Amanda Marcotte
Such an intense horror toward the mere thought of reproduction — willful sterility as an expression of hatred toward babies — can only be described as unnatural. From the standpoint of science, sex has no purpose other than reproduction, and our bodies are biological mechanisms designed to accomplish that purpose.
That there are more than 6 billion human beings on this planet is abundant evidence of how efficiently our minds and bodies are organized toward the goal of reproduction, so that our sexual impulse operates mainly at the level of autonomic reflexes we are scarcely able to control. No matter how intellectuals may endeavor to persuade us otherwise, every molecule of our existence conspires to bring man and woman together in the act of procreation.
Isn’t this a wonderful thing to behold? What could a woman say to a man that is more romantic than, “I want to have your babies”? And what greater love can a man show a woman than to unite with her for this purpose, to conceive new life in her womb, and then to share the responsibility of bringing up their offspring together?
This beautiful and inspiring vision, however, is rejected by those like Amanda Marcotte whose unfeeling hearts have been poisoned by selfishness and whose minds have been corroded by hate.
Selfish hatefulness, however, rationalizes itself in the language of Equality and Progress, so that when Marcotte sneers her contempt for us lowly “breeders,” many share her disdain, believing such an attitude to be the height of enlightened sophistication. The intelligentsia think of themselves as Our Moral Superiors and, if we fail to acknowledge their superiority, this only proves to them (as if they needed proof) how hopelessly ignorant we are.
The intelligentsia will not hesitate to insult your mother, that “1950s archetype of womanhood.” If a woman wants to be a stay-at-home mother, she will be likewise insulted by the intelligentsia for “regressing” to such awful backwardness. Babies are “time-sucking monsters,” Amanda Marcotte tells us, and no woman is deserving of feminist admiration if she prefers the domestic pleasures of marriage and motherhood to the world of professional careerism.
Ariane Sommer seems to consider “wife” and “mother” terms describing “gender roles” that are not “modern.” Quite modern herself, Ariane Sommer is 37, unmarried and childless, with no apparent prospect for “regressing” to marriage or motherhood. (A few years ago, she bought herself a diamond ring for Christmas.)
For a woman to be a full-time wife and mother undermines “gender equality,” because this arrangement presumes that for “a man to be a man,” as Kirsten Dunst said, he must have the ability to earn a living for the entire family. For him to have that ability — and thus permit “a woman to be a woman” by caring for her own young children — the man must have a relatively high-paying job. And if more men have relatively high-paying jobs, then women are not equal.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Of course, this was not the only way Kirsten Dunst’s remarks offended the intelligentsia. Her quote was “a pile of problematic bullshit,” says Hayley Hoover, in part because it omits homosexuals: “[W]hen you use your public platform to preach old-school values as absolute law, you’re making it harder for people outside the traditional norm to live their lives in peace.” (Premise One: What celebrities say in interviews is preaching. Premise Two: Expressing a personal preference in such a context is “absolute law.” Conclusion: Kirsten Dunst is guilty of inciting hate crimes against “people outside the traditional norm.”) But these are the sort of flawed “arguments” we expect from young people (Hoover is 23) who claim to be engaged in critical thinking but have never studied logic.
The attack on gender roles and the war against heteronormativity, however, is not limited to 23-year-old bloggers.
“The evidence shows conclusively that moral and religious views form the only basis for a belief that same-sex couples are different from opposite-sex couples.”
— U.S. District Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker, Aug. 5, 2010, San Francisco v. Schwarzenegger
What about science, Judge Walker?
Has science discovered nothing about the nature of male and female biology? Have the study of psychology, anthropology and genetics yielded no evidence to suggest that the sexual union of man and woman expresses an interaction of mental processes and physical responses that, wondrously complex though they may be, nonetheless resolve themselves in an impulse as simple as “Me Tarzan, you Jane”?
As remarkable as Tarzan’s passion seems — what is it about the mere sight of Jane that arouses this urge in him? — science must go to extraordinary lengths to explain why Jane does more than comply with Tarzan’s sexual demands. Indeed, she takes pleasure in the sensation of being overpowered and dominated by him. Jane is herself aroused by the knowledge that she has aroused Tarzan. A man’s sexuality provides a woman unmistakable confirmation of her own desirability. It is not entirely in a spirit of reluctance that Jane submits to Tarzan’s animal urge. Jane has urges of her own, urges she is powerless to resist, even were she able to resist Tarzan’s superior masculine strength. Far from resenting his greater muscularity, and the forcefulness it implies, Jane is thrilled by the strong embrace of Tarzan’s sinewy arms. Perhaps science can explain why Jane wants Tarzan as much as Tarzan wants her, so that she craves this experience of being wholly possessed by him.
No one can deny that cultural influences — the “social construction of gender roles” — can affect Jane’s sexual responses. Edgar Rice Burroughs’ tales of Tarzan were set in the context of the Victorian era, when female sexual pleasure was often misunderstood and in many ways actively discouraged. How could civilized Christian ladies admit to desiring such a primitive carnal savagery? And how could a civilized Christian gentleman provide this beastly pleasure?
The taboos and constraints of Christian civilization were thrown off decades ago, and two generations of Janes have been “liberated” to enjoy the sexual search for their own personal Tarzan. But the disappointments of sexual modernity, while usually quite different from whatever disappointments Victorian ladies experienced, are nonetheless quite painfully real. Divorce has skyrocketed and out-of-wedlock births have reached 40 percent. Tens of millions of abortions have been performed, and innumerable cases of sexually transmitted diseases have been inflicted. The fairy-tale ending of “happily ever after” has become a cruel jest, as marriages dissolve into custody battles and restraining orders.
Developing amid all this upheaval — perhaps as cause, perhaps as effect, perhaps in some ways both — we find a new ideology of sex. Overtly hostile to traditional religious morality about sex, this new ideology is not, however, scientific.
All the evidence in the world about the benefits to children of a traditional family mean nothing to devotees of the New Sexual Ideology, which is quite specifically political in its orientation, viewing sexual behavior as a matter of “rights,” and obsessively concerned with equality to the exclusion of every other possible concern. Every discussion about sex, therefore, becomes freighted with this artificial weight.
If we attempt to discuss how things are, adherents of the New Sexual Ideology accost us with claims of victimhood, described as (a) the denial of “rights” and/or (b) apparent circumstances of inequality. And if we wish to discuss how things should be, proposed reforms are acceptable only if aimed at bringing about greater equality.
Ultimately, the New Sexual Ideology is an agenda that is totalitarian in its impulses, seeking to conform reality to fit its theory, rather than shaping its theory to explain reality. Facts or logic that contradict the New Sexual Ideology must be suppressed, and criticism must be shouted down — “Sexist!” “Homophobe!” — so that dissenters can be excluded from the public discourse. Yet nature cannot be silenced.
Lectures from ideologues produce confusion, and young people indoctrinated may not be able to understand what they want, why they want it, or how to get it. As much confusion as the New Sexual Ideology creates, however, autonomic reflexes are quite difficult to suppress: More than 96% of Americans are heterosexual.
What did that feminist say? “Male supremacy is centered on the act of sexual intercourse, justified by heterosexual practice.”
Yeah, we’re still swinging on a vine, baby: “Me Tarzan, you Jane.”
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The reason the Law of Unintended Consequences hits leftists so hard is that they privilege their alleged intentions above the actual results of policies. Precisely because they don’t honestly project the possible negative outcomes of the choices they make, they invariably choose the course of action most likely to produce those negative outcomes.
Invariably.
I’m pretty sure this fits into Evan Sayet’s Unified Field of Leftist “Thought”, because he says “invariably” a lot when explaining it..
… says Hayley Hoover, in part because it omits homosexuals: “[W]hen you use your public platform to preach old-school values as absolute law, you’re making it harder for people outside the traditional norm to live their lives in peace.”
Sounds to me like ms. Hoover admits that homosexuals are abnormal.
I denounce her and Kirsten Dunst! ( but I readily forgive Kirsten)
Have you noticed that the same people who will tell you that gender is an ephemeral social construct will also tell you that homosexuality is hardwired?
But, but, but…
How do you explicate why (and I quote Wikipedia),
Gay men[77] and lesbians may be more verbally fluent than heterosexuals of the same sex[78][79][80] (but two studies did not find this result).[81][82]
Checkmate, heteronormativity/sarc
Strange, isn’t it?
And yet study after study shows women marry Ward Cleaver, but breed with Jethro Clampett.
Feminists believe in the Theory of Evolution. They just don’t care to participate in it.
There are also a few practitioners of the typical Wikipedia bias
over here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Empirical_studies
Ironic that these self appointed Lesbian and Homosexual “intellectuals” are the cultural equivalent of the Roman Catholic Curia and Inquisition at their most corrupt period ( just around the time the reformation ).
Marilyn Frye’s quote is telling. A false premise upon which her faulty argument is made. In 2,000 years women have had no part in building this civilization? Therefore everything must be changed to suit our demands. Bull, this civilization has been built by men and women. In order to tell her lie Frye has to rewrite history.
Bodine
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Did anyone tell you this is a hellava post? Let me.
I suspect millions of men are disappointed that Lena Dunham is not a lesbian too. And millions of women are greatly relieved…
To the feminists and judge quoted above: BULLSHIT!
No reason to give their nonsense any more time than that. Lets stop coddling these fools and just reject them and their ideas.
Yeah, if only Tarzan had feminism it. I’m envisioning it right now, but sadly, I might risk falling asleep.
Just so. Cousin Pearl’s boy. Grajiated the 6th grade, I heard.
Frye is just an idiot:
If heterosexuality were not a biological drive for BOTH male and female, the species would have died out long before “civilization.”
As much confusion as the New Sexual Ideology creates, however, autonomic reflexes are quite difficult to suppress: More than 96% of Americans are heterosexual.
Then why are more and more Americans self-identifying themselves as gays? The gallup poll shows an interesting trend. It’s pretty clear. More over more and more Americans are accepting gay unions and marriages (trend is pretty clear here as well as per age.) No wonder RSM finds it hard to “suppress” his “automatic reflexes” of “repulsion”–where have we heard that before? Oh yes, RSM’s “infamous” comments in the context of interracial marriage–towards people who have gay sex.
As per gender:
As per age:
Btw, as to race:
The failure of an internet troll to apologize for a statistical sleight-of-hand will not prevent me from pointing out her retreat into mumbo-jumbo…But then, some of us have encountered a fair bit of balderdash.
Lady, you do not impress me with your feeble understanding of anthropological principles. Stick to spamming and trolling. If I were an spammer-cum-troll, I would hide in pitiful self-embarrassment.
In the post-modern society, maybe androgyny is nature’s own little built-in population control mechanism.
…a statistical sleight-of-hand…
That’s what RSM did in citing the “over 96% heterosexual” figure in the context, suggesting that 3% of people who are confused (by the New Sexual Ideology) convince themselves to turn gay (by managing to somehow suppress their autonomic reflexes of heterosexuality.)
And I have to see a male feminist hanging about with his sexuality being tossed about in string bikinis and beating of the chests with Tarzan jungle calls.
Brother to Jethrine.
[…] TOM: Sex Roles and Feminism […]
http://batshitcrazynews.com/2014/04/amanda-marcotte-notes-the-audience-complicity-in-the-fictional-death-of-child-king-joffrey-on-game-of-thrones-misses-the-irony-of-her-position/ I found this article by Amanda Marcotte ironic given her position on infantcide…funny how she is more empathic about a fictional 18 year old psychopath. It fits with your post here.
Sort of like the Irish without alcohol: the sex drive of pandas.
Tull.
(Or am I thinking of someone else?)
But if one suspects that women have an inner drive to procreate, then it makes infanticide… er… um… “choice” look rather ugly.
If homosexuality can only be regarded as abnormal on moral or religious grounds, then why did SCIENCE regard it as a mental disorder?
Are we to believe that science was driven by religion – all the way up till 1973?
Bonus question: What evidence reversed their scientific opinion?
Fun fact: German men sit down to pee. Explains a lot about modern Germany, nein?
I’m not joking. I think it tells you a lot about how feminised a society has become when its menfolk are so cowed – in the privacy of a toilet, even – that they sit down to tinkle like little girls.
Ostensibly it’s for hygeine reasons, but that’s a load of piss. Ask anybody who has ever had the shitty job of cleaning out public toilets and they’ll let you in on a dirty secret: women are messier than men, because of their tendency to hover. The real reason behind brainwashing and bullying boys and men into sitting down is given away by the fact that it’s always leftists and feminists demanding they do so, such as the aptly named Left Party in Sweden.
If you can’t bring yourself to stand up and enjoy a pee the way God and nature intended, you may as well get one of those plastic vaginas the trannies are always raving about.
If I were a German man, I’d remind the pissophobic feminists that sanitation plumbing is a male invention, and if it weren’t for men they’d still be squatting in caves like animals.
“Ariane Sommer is 37, unmarried and childless, with no apparent prospect for “regressing” to marriage or motherhood. (A few years ago, she bought herself a diamond ring for Christmas.)”
So farewell then, Germany. The Turks who will replace you are grateful for your efforts.
Huh? You are so insensitive. You must be, of all people, a Scientist, which is nothing more than a sad manifestation of Heternormative Patriarchy.
Eighth grade.
In point of fact, I should say, in the old days, the two-room country schoolhouse was the norm in much of rural America. Such schools provided education up to the eighth grade. If a student wished to continue his education further, he had to go to the city high school in the county seat, where he had to pay for books and often the non-city resident was also charged a tuition fee.
That was the prevailing norm in rural Georgia, for example, until the 1920s. So an “eighth-grade education” was all that was practically available to many millions of rural American youth.
Who is Anamika Reddy?
McCain is correct. UCLA came out with studies within the last couple of years that put the number of self-identified homosexuals at 1.9%, and the number of bisexuals, etc., again “self identified,” at 1.5, for a total of 3.4%.
I ostracise, criticise, repudiate, rebuke, and denounce you…
Only for the moment. Once it becomes convenient they’ll revert to declaring it a “choice” that we should all respect.
And those self-same Turks piss into a hole in the floor …
Fun fact: German men sit down to pee.
I have more than a passing acquaintance with German culture and can say, as late as 2 months ago, the above assertion is false.
The prevalent, incoherent rage against Statistics as demonstrated by the demonizing of the word “normal,” is nothing more than solipsism masquerading as a coherent philosophy. The fact that these loons have a very public forum as opposed to being ignored by passersby on a street corner as they babble on, is due to the Leftist desire to destroy everything which undergirds social order that is not controlled by Leftists. The ironic thing is that the Left uses the mantra of “Individual Freedom” to establish the utmost conformity without room for any dissent. The good news, I suppose, is that the various groups the Left uses to do this happen to hate each other as well as la bourgeoisie.
man, that’s rough!
Did you check the stalls?
So, you base your assertion on the fact that in some restrooms, there are no urinals? You’ve got to be kidding.
Nah. I based it on multiple reports in the press about it and a company in Germany that sold millions of these:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1469694/German-men-told-they-can-no-longer-stand-and-deliver.html
As a female who spends five mornings a week in the gym, I can categorically and unashamedly say that my biological urges are most certainly not a social construct. I do not watch the girls work out. And there are very few guys I watch work out. The guys I do watch: all muscular and strong without looking deformedly so. One guy in particular. There is nothing socially constructed about the way my jaw wants to hit the floor when I watch him lift.
Anyone who thinks I’ve been brainwashed by the heteronormative patriarchy because I occasionally wonder what being hugged by those arms would feel like and assume it would be nice needs to have their head checked. Anybody who knows me knows that I am not weak and I don’t do girly displays of helplessness (I actually lift real weight – I recently have gotten to the point I can do pull ups). Doesn’t mean I don’t have very real biologically inspired urges and preferences that point to strong, confident men who are bigger and stronger than me.
I find it incredibly attractive that a guy who could break me in two easily would instead use that strength to do things for me. Even things I could do for myself. And in return I would happily do what’s in my power to do to help him out. It’s not about paying each other back, it’s about caring for somebody enough to want to help them when they need it – or even when they don’t. I feel sorry that these hateful women haven’t grasped that concept and instead of fixing whatever it is inside them that makes them so hateful, they would rather bring everybody else down.
A drug addled troll we see about these parts from time to time.
He’s just trying to show how tough he is by outdoing us on the adjectival front. I’d say keep up with the Joneses, but my name isn’t Jones, and I’d bet a dollar to a donut, yours isn’t either.
For awhile in Tennessee too. Jerry Pournelle grew up in the Memphis area and has often spoken of “Capleville Consolidated” – 8 grades in two rooms. His parents later sent him to Christian Brothers HS in Memphis where they made a Roman Catholic out of him.
Those of us who are among the informed know that homosexuals are not normal.
Well, I base my opinion on spending, on average, a month in Germany every year for the last 30 years.