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Poll Finds ‘Clear Majority’ of Americans Are Hopelessly Gullible Fools

Posted on | March 31, 2015 | 34 Comments

That’s not the headline in the Washington Post, however:

Poll: Clear majority supports
nuclear deal with Iran

We’re conducting diplomacy by referendum now? Exactly how much does the average American know about the details of this “deal”? Are folks sitting around over dinner at the Olive Garden chatting about centrifuges and enriched uranium? Have random adults suddenly become experts in foreign policy? Isn’t this rather a specialized field of endeavor? Isn’t it true that Americans have historically been “turned off” by foreign policy discussions and prone to isolationism? Don’t questions about foreign policy usually break down along partisan lines, so that when a Republican is in the White House, Democrats disapprove (e.g., “Bush is Hitler” and “No war for oil”) and vice-versa?

The decision to go to war in Iraq — which nearly all Democrats and not a few Republicans now consider a mistake — was hugely popular in 2003. George W. Bush’s approval ratings soared as the bombs started falling in Baghdad. And yet this vox populi, vox dei attitude, whereby the liberal media now push a “deal” with Iran, was not at all evident among liberals in 2003. No sir. When a Republican was in the White House, dissent was celebrated as a patriotic duty. Certainly, with a Republican president we didn’t see this synchronicity of purpose between the political regime and the media class that is so apparent today.

Anyone who thinks that Barack Obama and John Kerry are wise stewards of America’s world interests is a damned fool. Period.

They have created a phony self-imposed “deadline” for this Iran deal, and experience suggests we’d be better of with no deal.



34 Responses to “Poll Finds ‘Clear Majority’ of Americans Are Hopelessly Gullible Fools”

  1. texlovera
    March 31st, 2015 @ 11:42 am

    BUT, in the SAME FREAKING POLL, 60% of the same people say “they are not confident that a deal will prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, unchanged from 15 months ago.”

    So it’s the usual “gee, we FEEL that a deal should be made because Kumbaya, but deep down we know they’ll want to kill us anyway.”

    You have got to be effin’ kidding, America. Wake the hell up and find your damned balls.

  2. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    March 31st, 2015 @ 12:12 pm

    They want a deal but they know it is not going to work? WTF?

  3. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    March 31st, 2015 @ 12:13 pm

    I know this is in large part how the issue is framed by the media, hence the confusion by the public. But jeez louise, it is better to do nothing that make things worse. This deal makes things worse.

  4. Squid Hunt
    March 31st, 2015 @ 12:22 pm

    What is wrong with this country? Who are these people?

  5. Rob Crawford
    March 31st, 2015 @ 12:25 pm

    The people too stupid to ignore or paid to answer polls.

  6. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    March 31st, 2015 @ 12:50 pm

    Most are Obama voters.

  7. Finrod Felagund
    March 31st, 2015 @ 12:51 pm

    They should ask Neville Chamberlain how well a piece of paper works.

  8. K-Bob
    March 31st, 2015 @ 1:01 pm

    It’s just the New Normal. Make shit up, call it fact, and then use the made up fact to drive policy. Once the media gave Clinton a pass for lying his ass off, they decided that everyone should be able to lie their ass off. Especially if they do it to demonize the other party.

    I had to laugh today at someone who wrote that we can’t change the GOP until we change the dominant political culture. The trouble with that is that too many people on the right who would agree with that statement openly admire a lot of the dominant political culture.

    An example: Conservatives who pay money to see a film with Sean Penn in it.

    (This is part of my recent exploration of where the ‘squish’ factor comes from.)

  9. K-Bob
    March 31st, 2015 @ 1:05 pm

    He just wadn’t holdin’ it rite, is all. He should’a held it like the Stanley Cup and gone all around the arena like that.

  10. Adobe_Walls
    March 31st, 2015 @ 1:11 pm

    This ”deal” abrogates the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty of which the UN is not a party. Neither the UN or any of the signatories (which includes the 5+1 countries) has the authority to create a special carve out for Iran.

  11. Adobe_Walls
    March 31st, 2015 @ 1:38 pm

    Everyone supports negotiation as an alternative to war, which Obama insists are the only two options. They are also are being told the purpose of the talks are to prevent Iran from getting a bomb. Since neither of these assertions are true, the truth will eventually come out. Most will believe it, when told that this deal disarms Iran’s nuclear program, I wonder what they’ll think when congress over rides Obama’s veto.

  12. OccupyDisqus
    March 31st, 2015 @ 2:11 pm

    “Hopelessly gullible fools” is semantically equal to “low information voters”.

    And we are so boned.

  13. Quartermaster
    March 31st, 2015 @ 2:14 pm

    This is from the Washington Post. Therefore, it is a lie.

  14. Quartermaster
    March 31st, 2015 @ 2:14 pm

    The two are the same thing.

  15. Quartermaster
    March 31st, 2015 @ 2:15 pm

    Made up fact = lie.

  16. PCachu
    March 31st, 2015 @ 2:34 pm

    As Antono Refa put it when Londo Mollari reminded him of the anti-mass-driver treaties:
    “INK on a PAGE!”

  17. Ike
    March 31st, 2015 @ 2:38 pm

    Relax. Once the Israeli spy network sees that Iran has a bomb, the IDF will drop a few of their a-bombs and the danger to the U.S. and to Israel will be gone. Obama will like it as it solves one of his foreign policy messes and he will be seen as being a friend to Muslims around the world as he berates Israel in the world media.

  18. Adobe_Walls
    March 31st, 2015 @ 3:08 pm

    That’s way too happy an ending to be realistic.

  19. Finrod Felagund
    March 31st, 2015 @ 3:32 pm

    +1 for the B5 reference alone.

  20. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    March 31st, 2015 @ 3:50 pm

    Phrase the question as: Do you want to see every bat shit Arab and Muslim country in the middle east with nukes: Yes or no? See how that polls.

  21. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    March 31st, 2015 @ 3:51 pm

    For wiping your ass…okay if it is soft and absorbent. Unfortunately treaties are never written on good paper like that.

  22. OccupyDisqus
    March 31st, 2015 @ 4:21 pm

    That’s what I said. But, still …..

    Jazz Hands!

  23. K-Bob
    March 31st, 2015 @ 4:26 pm

    Where sanity rules, yes.

  24. The original Mr. X
    March 31st, 2015 @ 5:16 pm

    So it’s the usual “gee, we FEEL that a deal should be made because Kumbaya, but deep down we know they’ll want to kill us anyway.”
    And this, boys and girls, is why democracy doesn’t work.

  25. The original Mr. X
    March 31st, 2015 @ 5:20 pm

    “The Prime Minister had a choice between war and dishonour. He chose dishonour, and he shall have war.” — Winston Churchill, 1939
    Though, to give Chamberlain his due, he did at least realise his mistakes (albeit too late to avoid war) and did good work in Churchill’s war cabinet until his death in 1940. I can’t imagine Obama doing anything similar.

  26. trangbang68
    March 31st, 2015 @ 8:06 pm

    Oh the guy with the running sores from his piercings serving you coffee at Starbucks and 10000 Marie Harf’s and Oprah’s entire audience.Oh and millions who don’t see anything wrong with guys playing “Hide the Wiener” with other guys.

  27. Daniel Freeman
    March 31st, 2015 @ 8:31 pm

    And then the world unites to invade Israel and forcibly disarm it of its nukes, and ancient prophecies of doom are fulfilled.

  28. Adobe_Walls
    March 31st, 2015 @ 9:33 pm

    The need to be talking up how cool Masada was.

  29. Kirby McCain
    March 31st, 2015 @ 9:51 pm

    It’s not about the nukes. Obama needs the thinnest of excuses to convince our allies to lift the sanctions.

  30. Kirby McCain
    March 31st, 2015 @ 9:54 pm
  31. Kirby McCain
    March 31st, 2015 @ 10:32 pm

    The majority of young men in this country are hopelessly addicted to Playstation, ESPN, beer pong and wanking to Internet porn. Unless something interrupts one of those activities they will continue to phone it in. So, yeah we’re boned.

  32. Quartermaster
    April 1st, 2015 @ 10:45 am

    Parchment is usually rough and non-absorbent.

  33. Quartermaster
    April 1st, 2015 @ 10:45 am

    I’m saying they are the same, not just semantically so.

  34. Quartermaster
    April 1st, 2015 @ 10:47 am

    They need to read Ezekial chapters 38 & 39. It won’t be a happy time for the King of the North, Persia or their allies.