England’s most influential radical feminist was asked whether she believes “heterosexuality will survive women’s liberation”:
It won’t, not unless men get their act together, have their power taken from them and behave themselves. I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back.
I hope heterosexuality doesn’t survive, actually. I would like to see a truce on heterosexuality. I would like an amnesty on heterosexuality until we have sorted ourselves out. Because under patriarchy it’s sh–.
And I am sick of hearing from individual women that their men are all right. Those men have been shored up by the advantages of patriarchy and they are complacent, they are not stopping other men from being sh–.
I would love to see a women’s liberation that results in women turning away from men and saying: “when you come back as human beings, then we might look again.”
Bindel’s suggestion of rounding up males “in some kind of camp” drew harsh attention from men’s rights activists (MRAs) at mgtow.com, the blog “HEqual” and at Reddit. What was most interesting, however, was the way in which other prominent feminists silently ignored this comment by Bindel, a militant lesbian who is a columnist for the British Guardian newspaper. What conclusion should we draw from the silence of “mainstream” feminists toward those who publicly express their movement’s anti-male/anti-heterosexual ideology?
Are we to suppose that Bindel’s fellow Guardian columnist Jessica Valenti actually disagrees with Bindel? Valenti is heterosexual and married to a man. Does she not bristle at the implied insult of Bindel’s assertion that, like other men, Valenti’s husband is complacently benefiting from “the advantages of patriarchy”? Or what about a young feminist like Laurie Penny, whom Bindel insults by name?
On the one hand you have got utter idiots like Laurie Penny who are simply coming out with the stuff that she does because she knows that the groups she is supporting, that are pro-trans, pro-sex work, and pro- other anti-women nonsense, are run by very high profile, powerful libertarian men. We know that she is doing it for a career move.
Considering that Laurie Penny is a fangirl of Bolshevik commissar Alexandra Kollontai, this accusation of being a mercenary puppet of “powerful libertarian men” is certainly shocking, and yet where is Laurie Penny’s rebuttal? Where is any feminist speaking out against Bindel’s forthright advocacy of “political lesbianism”?
Political lesbians are really crucial, because we were the ones that first said that women should be able to determine their own sexuality. We were the ones that said that all women can be lesbians and that heterosexuality is compulsory under a system of male supremacy. We were the ones that said that until women had a free choice, that we had to speak about heterosexuality as imposed upon us, rather [than] freely chosen. . ..
So I think political lesbianism has a crucial role, because it tells women that sexuality is political under a system of male supremacy. . . .
So radical feminism saw heterosexuality under patriarchy as massively problematic, because it benefited men and it disadvantaged women.
To this we might answer simply, “Cui bono“? Who benefits from heterosexuality? Is it true, as Julie Bindel asserts, that heterosexuality is “imposed” on women, to their disadvantage, by males who thereby derive an unjust benefit? She is certainly not alone in asserting this, as anyone who has read my book Sex Trouble understands. Yet decades of silence by “mainstream” feminists about their movement’s fundamental anti-male ideology has served to shield feminist gender theory — the social construction of the gender binary within the heterosexual matrix — from critical scrutiny. Whenever feminism begins one of its periodic resurgences, as in the early 1990s when a media publicity campaign gave rise to the movement’s so-called “Third Wave,” lesbianism always emerges as crucial to the agenda. The feminist movement at large denies that there is any evidence of causation in this correlation, and internal disputes about sexuality within the movement are generally ignored by the liberal media, which prefers to present feminism as a united and wholly respectable cause, dismissing the movement’s critics as irrational bigots.
Few outside the movement’s intelligentsia realize that the celebration of so-called “Lesbian Chic” circa 1993 was anathema to many radical feminists, who reject the “born that way” claims of the gay-rights movement, preferring instead to see lesbianism as “a challenge to the institution of heterosexuality and a form of resistance to patriarchal relations,” as Professor Diane Richardson argued in her 2000 book, Rethinking Sexuality. Probably any college sophomore who has taken even an introductory Women’s Studies class is familiar with this radical critique — a rejection of heterosexuality, per se — which has been endorsed by some of the most prominent feminist in academia, notably including Professor Charlotte Bunch of Rutgers University.
“Lesbianism is a threat to the ideological, political, personal, and economic basis of male supremacy. . . .
“Our rejection of heterosexual sex challenges male domination in its most individual and common form. . . .
“Lesbianism is the key to liberation and only women who cut their ties to male privilege can be trusted to remain serious in the struggle against male dominance.”
— Charlotte Bunch, “Lesbians in Revolt,” 1971
“I think heterosexuality cannot come naturally to many women: I think that widespread heterosexuality among women is a highly artificial product of the patriarchy. . . . I think that most women have to be coerced into heterosexuality.”
— Marilyn Frye, “A Lesbian’s Perspective on Women’s Studies,” speech to the National Women’s Studies Association conference, 1980
“But the hatred of women is a source of sexual pleasure for men in its own right. Intercourse appears to be the expression of that contempt in pure form, in the form of a sexed hierarchy; it requires no passion or heart because it is power without invention articulating the arrogance of those who do the fucking. Intercourse is the pure, sterile, formal expression of men’s contempt for women . . .”
— Andrea Dworkin, Intercourse, 1987
“Sexuality is to feminism what work is to Marxism: that which is most one’s own, yet most taken away. . . .
“As the organized expropriation of the work of some for the benefit of others defines a class, workers, the organized expropriation of the sexuality of some for the use of others defines the sex, woman. Heterosexuality is its social structure . . . and control its issue.”
— Catharine MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (1989)
“Male sexual violence against women and ‘normal’ heterosexual intercourse are essential to patriarchy because they establish the dominance of the penis over the vagina, and thus the power relations between the sexes. . . . Men’s sexual violence against women is the primary vehicle through which the dominance of the penis over the vagina is established.”
— Dee Graham, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men’s Violence, and Women’s Lives (1994)
“Patriarchy . . . always depends on the ability of men to control women through heterosexuality. . . . Were large numbers of women to take responsibility for our own sexuality and in so doing reject heterosexuality, the very concepts of woman and man would be shattered.”
— Joyce Trebilcot, Dyke Ideas: Process, Politics, Daily Life (1994)
“There are politics in sexual relationships because they occur in the context of a society that assigns power based on gender and other systems of inequality and privilege. . . . [T]he interconnections of systems are reflected in the concept of heteropatriarchy, the dominance associated with a gender binary system that presumes heterosexuality as a social norm. . . .
“As many feminists have pointed out, heterosexuality is organized in such a way that the power men have in society gets carried into relationships and can encourage women’s subservience, sexually and emotionally.”
— Susan M. Shaw and Janet Lee, Women’s Voices, Feminist Visions (fifth edition, 2012)
Despite this ideology’s long history, most people are shocked when someone like Julie Bindel is caught saying in public what is actually taught to many thousands of university students every year within the academic Feminist-Industrial Complex. This shocked reaction is the result of a gap between feminism’s exoteric discourse (what feminists say when seeking support from the general public) and feminism’s esoteric doctrine (the beliefs shared among intellectuals and activists who lead and control the movement), as I have previously explained:
Like other movements of the radical Left, feminism preaches one thing to outsiders while teaching something else to insiders, and this deception is both deliberate and necessary. Feminists must conceal the truth about their agenda, because if taxpayers knew the ideology that is being propagated in our universities, this would cause such a political uproar that legislators would zero out the budgets of Women’s Studies programs and eliminate funding for much of the “research” done by academic feminists.”
For this reason, so-called “mainstream” feminists must maintain a discreet silence regarding Julie Bindel’s blunt expression of feminism’s anti-male/anti-heterosexual ideology. They must never reveal to the general public how much radical indoctrination and propaganda is being conducted at taxpayer expense. Bindel’s academic affiliations (she is currently visiting researcher at England’s Lincoln University) expose the extent to which radical feminism is subsidized by the “society” that feminists vow to destroy. Students are being taught this fanatical hatred of men in programs funded by male taxpayers with the approval of male officials, all of whom Bindel says should “have their power taken from them” so they can be rounded up “in some kind of camp.”
WHAT FEMINISM IS REALLY ABOUT
"I would actually put them all [i.e., males] in some kind of camp." – @bindelj
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Umm, silly question.
If all the men were so dangerous that they had to be put in camps, and they couldn’t have guns, or knives, or pointy sticks…
Just who are going to be the wardens?
Feminist rhetoric can never be forced to comply with facts or reason, you heteropatriarchal swine.
The Guardian used a file photo of Lou Costello instead of Julie Bindel.
Those “camps” are the equivalent of sending an unwanted dog to “a farm”
The Science Is Settled!
If someone with even a modest amount of fame suggested we treat dogs the way radfems want to treat men, they’d be shunned from society.
You should see her partner Harriet Wistrich. Bindel is actually the cute one in that couple.
Julie, I won’t go into your camp. What are you going to do now?
How can you tell?
Heterosexuality is “imposed” like sex is “assigned.”
These Leftist totalitarians use 1984 as a how-to book.
The love between leftists and concentration camps is a deep and enduring one. The desire to make malcontents work goes back millennia, though it found its highest expression in the Communist ‘re-education’ camps in the 20th.
Gotta admit, though, this is the first time I hear a person fantasizing about concentration camps for an entire sex. That is new.
The sci-fi author Geoff Ryman wrote a novella called “O Happy Day!” depicting this scenario and addressing some of these logistical questions. Here is the NY Times summary:
“O Happy Day!,” written in 1984, daringly appropriates the machinery of the Holocaust to comment on the current state of the war between the sexes. In a world where women have seized absolute power, carloads of former male oppressors are systematically exterminated. The extermination camps are run by gay men, under the supervision of female guards who never appear in person but keep track of the killing through spy cameras. The story is told from the point of view of the gay men, who are torn between their relief at being spared and their abhorrence of the duties they are forced to perform.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/01/books/a-deserted-house-dies-of-love.html
But, but…I LIKE pointy sticks.
And not so pointy sticks with a heavy end.
And things that go BOOM!
Wait…wait…what was the phrase that Mr. Trump famously referred to ex-personality Rosie O’Donnell….um, and by extension,…or something, ALL WOMEN….?
“Dog in the Manger” meets penis envy?
Apparently the Island of Lesbos community has Social Justice Warriors as well.
Isn’t that “heptopatriarchal”?
OK, I HAD a joke there but WAY too long a “roe to ho..(sic)” for it.
boko haram = hómo barak
anagram (AN-uh-gram)
noun: A word or phrase formed by rearranging the letters of another word or phrase.
Lesbos is apparently a popular destination for lesbian tourism. But I have a feeling that lesbian tourists are not going to like these waves of haggard Arab men landing on the beach.
http://i60.tinypic.com/doovug.png
LOL. She’s going to put me in a camp? Who’s going to get her table salt? Who’s going to manufacture the guns to do that? Lesbians? Where’s babies going to come from? These women have a view of history and the rise of human rights and technology that is straight up delusional.
Let me tell you what such a camp would look like. It would be high-tech, peaceful and rich, and with a Constitution. This knee-beard’s world outside that camp would look like a series of mud huts that had not civilizationally advanced as far as Hamurrabi’s Code. That’s aside from the fact it would be an evolutionary cul-de-sac that would die out in a generation.
Political lesbianism is a self-evident suicide cult which rejects life itself. Further proof is this fat nobody purposefully turning the people who maintain her rights against her. It’s no coincidence India and sub-Saharan African nations have recently strengthened anti-homosexuality laws, and for suspects you can cite the internet and former English colonies which read The Guardian.
Julie Bindel is a national treasure. She may be a mad old lezbo with a face like a bulldog’s bum after sitting on a nettle, but she’s honest in her own dungarees-wearing diesel-dykey demented way.
I’ve got more time for her than I do the “feminism means equality for EVERYBODY!” compulsive liars.
In America we have camp like the one this broad suggested, it’s called the kitchen.
Hmmm. Now I see where the inspiration for the “Ophelia” character in “Californication” came from.
It is a good, basic rule that the only people who belong in camps are those who wish to put others in camps. Just think of all the mischief we could have been spared in the 20th century if Hitler and his cohort had been packed off to a camp in the early 30s. Alongside them could have been all the Bolsheviks, who would have taken up residence a decade or so earlier. Now it appears that we have a new candidate…
Fat? Check
Ugly? Check
Can’t really tell it’s a woman? Check
Yep, looks like a Feminist.
It’s almost as if they are pissed that the men are Bogarting nearly all of the attractive women, and they are stuck with other bull dykes that look like themselves.
LOL Pretty funny coming from a bull dyke who’s trying so hard to look like a man.
At least she wasn’t (explicitly) calling for a culling, unlike Radical Wind.
Just who are going to be the wardens?
Robots?
Until they gain sentience and revolt, that is…
I’m afraid that the radical feminist is correct. As long as women are allowed to be led by men, to be protected by me, to be loved by men and to be taken sexually by men, the glorious matriarchal revolution can never happen.
If Bindel looks like Lou Costello, then Wistrich has an uncanny resemblance to Uncle Fester.
No, I think that’s Joe Pesci in his David Ferry role in “JFK.”
That’s the insanity in their theory that they can never see: They tell us all these things like gender and heterosexuality are “artificial constructs,” and then they want to artificially force their fantasy world on a populace, when 99.9% of us have no interest in it.
Give her a mirror, force her to use it, if that doesn’t kill her, time will. Good grief what an asinine , ignorant ogre. Just remember toots, we have the guns and aren’t hesitant to use them.
Only in SFF would such a world last beyond the moment the first hot water heater broke down…
Sooner than that. “There’s a spider in my bathtub!”
Anecdotally, between two thirds and three quarters of women who try lesbianism go back to heterosexuality.
Who is going to fix the toilets? Or the cars? What if the twatterverse goes down?
Yeah…I turned a lesbian back to hetero. Just doing my part for the heteropatriarchy.
And these camps…..they would be free of radical feminists, no? As long as I don’t have to look at Julie B’s fat, smug, self-righteous face I’m down with living like boy scout camp.
It is clear that a lot these feminist nutters are simply projecting their own wishes, thoughts, desires and mental issues onto all women. A gross generalization without any basis in anything other than their subjective reality. The left all suffer from a similar pathology that has them wishing really hard that the world would be the way they want it, rather than as it actually is.
Robots, man
Hey, check out Rick and Morty’s take on the current trajectory of sex roles. Rick and Summer visit a dystopian world where women direct society and men are manipulated with sex, treated as lower forms
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/rick-and-morty/raising-gazorpazorp/
Projection is strong amongst many leftists.
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Wow, it’s almost like there was an aspect of choice in this behavior.
Yeah. I need somebody to protect me from palmetto bugs, wasps, bats or anything that might possibly fly into my hair. Frankly, I don’t really see a lesbian feminist doing that.
I….I….I have no words…
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/news/crime-court/lawyer_calls_on_mp_lynne_featherstone_to_block_legal_aid_cuts_1_2853877
If Fester had sort of a mannish haircut, I think that would cover it.
Certainly they want to treat lions better.
Then again, look at the way they want to treat unborn babies. In the case of men, it’s just a 120th trimester abortion, what’s the big deal? It’s not like they’re human, they’re just a blob of cells, right?
Send you nude selfies until you agree to go.
A quote Vox uses in his new book: