Old Testament Passages Come To Mind

Posted on | April 6, 2014 | 81 Comments

by Smitty

And the development I’m referring to isn’t the broadening support for same-sex marriage, which a clear majority of Americans now favor. No, I’m referring to the fact that in a great many circles, endorsement of same-sex marriage has rather suddenly become nonnegotiable. Expected. Assumed. Proof of a baseline level of enlightenment and humanity. Akin to the understanding that all people, regardless of race or color, warrant the same rights and respect.

Even beyond these circles, the debate is essentially over, in the sense that the trajectory is immutable and the conclusion foregone. Everybody knows it, even the people who still try to stand in the way. The legalization of same-sex marriage from north to south and coast to coast is merely a matter of time, probably not much of it at that.

No one is denying any individuals respect, unless they are named Brendan Eich.

Basic falsehoods, e.g. 2+2=5, remain unacceptable. What has changed is that common sense has suffered a setback. As a part of societal collapse, you can keep useful traditions like you keep your doctor.

What the liars will be shocked to discover is that this “victory” is useless. Calling their pet Yorkies “children” does not offspring make. Meanwhile, the un-confused will continue to raise actual children, and teach them the truth.

This falsehood is as transient as a campaign promise, and the judgement will come down, on us as it did on the Israelites. Lord, have mercy.

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81 Responses to “Old Testament Passages Come To Mind”

Anamika
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:06 pm

Synopsis of Smitty’s Sermon for Sinners: “We simply must” change and start seeing and doing things Smitty’s way, as other belief systems are “wrong” or “delusional.”
Phil_McG
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:20 pm

Does anybody believe gay marriage will suddenly make leftists happy and well adjusted?

They’ll just move on to the next campaign against bourgeois values, and shriek that anybody who doesn’t support the next big thing will also be a hateful bigot all of a sudden for not immediately acquiescing to the latest lefty demand.

It doesn’t matter what it is – it could be free abortions for cats or legalising man-penguin love. For the progressive, the important thing is having something – anything – to shrilly hector normal people about.
RS
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:42 pm

Actually, his sermon is about acknowledging 10,000 years of human history and the meaning of language. It is you and your nihilist friends who wish us to change and do everything your way because our beliefs are wrong and delusional in your view. Yet, like the mob attacking Eich the irony of your own position atop what you believe to be the summit of Mount Morality is lost upon you.
NoNoNO
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:43 pm

Marriage is a bourgeois value, which means they don’t want to destroy bourgeois society, but rather to be accepted by it. I’m sure the majority of homosexuals, liberal or not, are your run of the mill middle class, consumers.
smitty
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:43 pm

Shorter Anamika: “Failure is the new success.”
NoNoNO
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:46 pm

Are Christianity and homosexuality really incompatible? I don’t see how letting homosexuals get hitched really destroys Western Civilization? I understand it offends you but beyond that, what’s the problem?
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:48 pm

I guess you see nothing wrong with the endorsement of depravity. And, homosexuality is depravity just as all sexual looseness is depravity. The target sex matters not a whit.
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:48 pm

And judgment is blessing. The left really love Orwellian language.
NoNoNO
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:50 pm

I don’t see homosexuality as depravity. Maybe the Bible does, but the majority of Americans who probably know a gay person or have a gay family member don’t see it that way. It also shows you’ve never actually met, or known, a homosexual in your entire life. All you’re expressing is fear.
NoNoNO
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:54 pm

Sexual “looseness” is “depravity” only according to the abstract, moral laws of organized religion.
Delaney Coffer
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:55 pm

Last time I checked sexual fetishes did not constitute a “race or color”. Why exactly do we pretend that sexual fetishes of any type have legal standing?
Anamika
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:56 pm

“I think that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin, but the Bible also teaches that pride is a sin, jealously is a sin, and hate is a sin, evil thoughts are a sin, and so I don’t think that homosexuality should be chosen as the overwhelming sin that we are doing today.” –Billy Graham
Delaney Coffer
April 6th, 2014 @ 2:57 pm

“I don’t see homosexuality as depravity.”

Your inability to see something doesn’t negate it’s existence. There is no moral distinction to be made between homosexuality and incest. Maybe you endorse incest too…or will when it becomes hip.
NoNoNO
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:17 pm

I don’t see it because it doesn’t exist. And equating homosexuality with an incest makes you a moron. I don’t what stereotypes are doing your thinking for you, but I don’t endorse same sex marriage, or accept homosexuality because it’s cool or hip; I accept it because it has no bearing on my existence if two men or women want to couple or have sex with one another.
smitty
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:18 pm

Were you you when your information was complete, i.e. conception? Gay marriage is as correct as abortion.
Julie Pascal
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:18 pm

You’d think so. And in some senses you’re probably right… there’s a yearning for that white picket fence. You’ve got the classic (generally conservative) gay couple looking at the craftsman fixer-upper, rose garden and dog. And almost, there could be common cause there for strengthening what marriage is, making the decision to marry more serious and less easily dissolved, more about sexual fidelity and “for better or worse” without forgetting the “worse” part and generally strengthening the institution.

But mostly? No. Nor are most of the people who aren’t gay who are pushing for gay marriage pushing for something of value and inclusion. It’s easy to give away something that is essentially worthless. I haven’t noticed anyone on the other side (and I’m libertarian, mostly, and actually mostly pro-gay marriage but essentially, “hey, a contract is a contract and maybe the state should stay out of it.”) but I haven’t noticed any push or move whatsoever to try to strengthen marriage or make it more solemn or more serious or more permanent.

Sex is recreation and somehow what used to be respecting your own temple has become YOLO and no end to people will explain how slut shaming is wrong and how sluts are somehow learning to defer gratification and stick through the tough times of life.

And somehow it makes sense in this new world to solve your adolescent sexual confusion, not by holding off until you’ve time to know your own self, but by making a mountain out of every tingle or urge and feeling that you’ve got to indulge those things because self-control is… what?

What could be… acceptance and strengthening of the bourgeois society…

Isn’t.
smitty
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:19 pm

I am related to, and have worked with homosexuals all my life.

They’re no worse, as individuals, than I. But that does not make gay marriage correct.
smitty
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:20 pm

What about the empirical results of the cratered demographics?
smitty
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:21 pm

We have enough gay judges available to sodomize the legal code, apparently.
Zohydro
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:23 pm

You realise Brendan Eich was “outted” for his financial support of Proposition 8 because the homosexual lobby (the LA Times, specifically) has created a searchable online list of the donors…

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/03/how-did-people-find-out-that-mozillas-ceo-donated-to-support-prop-8/
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:28 pm

Leftist shysters on the bench have been sodomizing the law for quite some time.
Julie Pascal
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:29 pm

And gluttony and false witness, etc., etc.,

What is a sin, though, and I might be persuadable if anyone on the planet was preaching homosexual monogamy, is that it’s all part of a whole where sexual sin, ALL sexual sin, is supposed to be accepted as normal by all right thinking people. We can’t be anything but supportive of an 18 year old making porn, or a 16 year old who has a hook up with a different person every weekend, or a confused 15 year old being sexually mentored by an adult woman (hello, Vagina Monologue), and you can’t say that maybe, just *maybe*, it’s not all-right to get off sexually by play acting rape, bondage, or sadism… because anything consenting adults do is just fine… and sexual gratification from pretending to be a rape victim? Wow… that doesn’t mess you up *at all*.

Not that I’m advocating criminalizing those things, but we’re not allowed to advocate publicly for self-control, self-respect, and not permantly screwing up your ability to form healthy relationships?

Lots and lots of things are sins and homosexuality is listed along side envy and gluttony, but it doesn’t make the fact go away that those old fashioned words like “adultery” and “fornication” are actually sins… sins against our own bodies.
Anamika
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:30 pm

Smitty, I’m sure none of these other Christian sins poses the slightest problem for fundamentalist Christians, who only follow the parts of Leviticus to which Paul is believed to have given his imprimatur. That is interpreted by the mainstream throughout Christian history to mean the stuff about male homosexuality. Female homosexuality didn’t matter to the patriarchalists who put the Bible together; in fact, they weren’t even concerned about men sodomizing other men. The great abomination is beingsodomized, that is, a man allowing himself to be used as if he were a woman. That is what the real sin is in their eyes.
Julie Pascal
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:34 pm

What doesn’t exist? Do you realize that there is actually a “thing” where human beings are strongly attracted to people we are genetically related to? It’s real. It’s counteracted by growing up, spending our toddler years and young childhood together… wipes it out. But as weird as it seems, the old “adopted siblings finding each other as adults” or even adult children finding parents and “falling in love” is a real thing. The gut level “ewwww” reaction is gone.

I sometimes think that people who say that anything related to homosexuality is totally different from any other thing, just don’t know much, at all, about human sexuality.
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:35 pm

The left knows that too. Fact is, the left has been trying to destroy bourgeois society for the better part of a century. The sexual “revolution” (really just an attempt to mainstream the old immorality and depravity) is part of that picture. The reduction of sex to that of a simple appetite is something the Soviet Union tried, and it almost destroyed them. Later Stalin, and the party apparatus made a big deal of him visiting his mother, trumpeting family values because of the damage the new values had done to the families they held in that over sized prison. They came to realize they needed families to produce their new subjects so they could engage in more leftist style imperialism.

One thing the left H8s with a passion is anything that smacks of actual values that might impede their march to the junkyard of history.
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:37 pm

NoNoNO is being as willfully obtuse as Anamika. He doesn’t see what he doesn’t want to see. Standard troll.
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badanov
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:38 pm

It would have a bearing if you had been turned out, of if your kids were being groomed to be turned out. It would have a bearing on society if official state policy was that turning out was acceptable behavior. See RSM last few posts on turning out kids.

It has a bearing because it matters.
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:43 pm

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22

That passage doesn’t give any room to what you think it says. Doing or being sodomized is an abomination. The only person that would be given any slack is the victim if it’s homosexual rape.

That passage gives the lie to your biblical ignorance. It’s just one more field of your overall ignorance. What’s so bad is that your ignorance is willful.
Julie Pascal
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:44 pm

Paul believed (if we want to put it in those terms) that people should not have sex at all, should remain single and sexless. That this was the ideal state and then you could dedicate your life to serving God. But he also knew that our human nature didn’t allow that for most people and that if you weren’t going to be able to do that, that it would be better for you to get married, and that you should do that.

Also… humans can “get off” on anything. We’re born that way.
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:45 pm

It doesn’t matter to a moron like NoNoNO because he wants it to be different, therefore it is different. That’s simply the way the Satanic Left works. Old Scratch has them safely deluded and fully prepared for his kingdom below.
Anamika
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:45 pm

Sure Smitty, you can promote whatever spreading you want to spread, of course; people just do that!

But there are ways to look at the “problem” of homosexuality you mention that makes it “not problem.”
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:46 pm

The primary characteristic of the Satanic Left is H8. They are full of it.
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:49 pm

Except for a few exceptions, human society has seen homosexuality as hideous crime. Therefore, the judgment of human society has been almost uniform that homosexuality is a problem. It is incumbent upon your ilk to show otherwise, rather than engage in a bunch of emotional appeals to humanity to accept the contrary. So far, there has been nothing other than emotional appeals and no facts whatever in opposition.

Homosexuality, right along with improperly channeled heterosexuality, are destructive abominations.
Anamika
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:52 pm

“… a man allowing himself to be used as if he were a woman. That is what the real sin is in their eyes.”

Among gay Christian clerics that final issue is often further narrowed — in that interpretation, it is only when one or both of the participants views or imagines the other to be a woman that there is a sin. IOW, as long as both are honest about who they are — including any TV tendencies, one would suppose — there would be no transgression. Given such an approach, the great wrong would seem to be using another man’s body carnally while pretending it’s a woman’s — which coincides very well with the actual Biblical wording of the prohibition:

18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18:22 KJV)
Quartermaster
April 6th, 2014 @ 3:57 pm

There is no such thing as a “gay Christian cleric.” The fact that such a man is engaged in open sin makes him a cleric of anything other than Christianity. There are people masquerading as such, but organizations such the Episcopal Church that have long ceased to be Christian because of their abandonment of scripture. It doesn’t matter if your using or being used, the sin is the same.
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Regular Right Guy
April 6th, 2014 @ 4:10 pm

Um, are you telling me deviant still means deviant? Balderdash!!! he exclaimed.
Delaney Coffer
April 6th, 2014 @ 4:32 pm

Your inability to cite any moral distinction between one sexual aberration and another really tells the tale of how shallow your commitment to “equality” is. You’re a gutless turd following the pop culture winds…and causing them to stink even worse.

“I accept it because it has no bearing on my existence”

Incest does? Explain, cretin.
Delaney Coffer
April 6th, 2014 @ 4:36 pm

“But that does not make gay marriage correct.”

Or cause it to be anything more than a stupid figment of a depraved waste of imagination.

Hey, everybody! I feel like a Cherokee brave trapped in a white man’s body. Now you owe me something. It’s the law.

Bend over.
Delaney Coffer
April 6th, 2014 @ 4:38 pm

Only a retarded jackass would call morality “abstract”. And I mean retarded in the classical sense of the word, not the abstract one.
Delaney Coffer
April 6th, 2014 @ 4:43 pm

Seriously, though. How did it happen that deviant sexual compulsions (well, one anyway) gained some sort of Constitutional standing?
Delaney Coffer
April 6th, 2014 @ 4:51 pm

The preservation of real marriage (reality) instead of succumbing to the farce of fake, make up anything and call it marriage (fantasy) has little to do with the so called Bible. You people run to the bible every time you wish to defend depravity. I don’t have to. Why do you, figment?
NoNoNOO
April 6th, 2014 @ 5:28 pm

I don’t see homosexuality as an “aberration”, and so in light of that, your premise is flawed, and hence your entire question is pointless. Anything else?
DelanyIsAnImbecile
April 6th, 2014 @ 5:33 pm

There’s nothing more abstract than sexual morality which has differed from era to era, and continues to differ from culture to culture, and territory to territory. Only a half wit like yourself that believes that Christian sexual morality is universal and totalizing, which it isn’t, would believe otherwise.

And it’s easy to distinguish a difference between incest and homosexuality. For one, incest has biologically detrimental outcomes, and homosexuality have none, since two homosexuals can’t breed. There is also been an innate aversion to incest since the beginning of time, not so with homosexuality which was accepted in numerous high cultures like Egypt, Rome, and Greece. It is only with the dominance of Judeo/Christian ethics and the fall of Pagan society was homosexuality so vilified. Incest has always been vilified.
NONONONO
April 6th, 2014 @ 5:35 pm

That makes no sense at all. Homosexuals are just as good any other person, but when married they symbolize evil, and the fall of western society? HUH?
NoNoNOO
April 6th, 2014 @ 5:38 pm

I’m a gutless turd? Dude, I could hit your pathetic ass so hard, you and your dentures would disintegrate.
Dana
April 6th, 2014 @ 5:57 pm

This is what happens when one too literally reads the English translations of Leviticus. The ancients knew what was meant. But, just so even the silliest of people could understand, St Paul wrote, in Romans, Chapter 1:

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

It is always an error for non-believers to try to argue the Bible with real, actual Christians; we’ve read the book, and know what’s in it.
Dana
April 6th, 2014 @ 6:11 pm

Anamika showed the silliness of her position:

Among gay Christian clerics

Unless a homosexual Christian cleric is celibate, he is in sin himself; your citation, such as it is, comes from biased parties interested in finding loopholes in Scripture to justify their own sins. The notion that homosexual activity among males is somehow OK just as long as they aren’t fantasizing that one of them is a woman is ludicrous.

1 Corinthians, Chapter 6:

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

(a)1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.

Of course, the nitpickers who think that they are somehow Canon lawyers would say, “See! St Paul only referred to male homosexuals, so lesbians are OK, forgetting that St Paul also wrote Romans 1: 27.

That’s one of the failings of our overly litigious society: everyone thinks that he’s a lawyer, and can find the loopholes. But the ancients knew what was meant, and, if you are honest with yourself — something of an open question — then you know it, too.

Every adult in our society is legally free to copulate with whatever consenting adults he can find, male or female, black or white, Christian or Muslim. But to try to say that the Bible doesn’t say it’s wrong is incorrect. You have aright to your opinions, but the facts are not in serious dispute.
Dana
April 6th, 2014 @ 6:12 pm

There can be such a thing as a Christian cleric who is homosexual, as long as he remains celibate.