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How @RooshV Trolled the World

Posted on | February 3, 2016 | 82 Comments

 

Daryush “Roosh V” Valizadeh is a pickup artist (PUA) who has somehow managed to get himself identified as such a menace to women that he’s listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center. (“Is banging hotties a hate crime now?”) In general, I consider PUA culture to be folly, a logical consequence of liberalism’s amoral “consenting adults” ethos of sexual hedonism. For decades, liberals have insisted that all voluntary sexual activity is good; the more sex, the better. There is no such thing as morality, according to liberals, and therefore no one can be permitted to express disapproval of, inter alia, Bill Clinton sodomizing White House interns. Liberals will denounce you as a judgmental crypto-fascist if you dare to criticize the shameful behavior of sexual degenerates like Anthony Weiner, and it is this licentious attitude which has given rise to PUA culture. If the whole point of life is to get as much sex as you can (and this would seem to be the Clintonian doctrine, against which no opposition is permissible) then anyone who isn’t getting laid as regularly as Robert Plant on Led Zeppelin’s 1971 world tour is just a pathetic loser.

In the Post-Moral Age of Liberalism, it makes sense that the losers want to become winners, and the winners want to brag about their success, and this is where PUA culture comes from. Yet even if we stipulate, arguendo, that hedonistic decadence is acceptable, PUA culture violates two basic principles of wise behavior:

  1. Do not join a lemming herd in its stampede to oblivion. When civilizations become decadent, most social trends are bad trends. Beware of fads. Do not become a habitual conformist, a follower of fashionable attitudes. Develop a habit of independence, and accept the fact that to be an honest man in an Age of Lies will not make you popular with the deluded fools who believe whatever they are taught in public school, and whose behaviors are a result of emulating whatever they watch on TV.
  2. Never discuss strategy in public. You see this error all the time in politics, where some consultant or “strategist” (e.g., Karl Rove) selfishly seeks to enhance his reputation by bragging about his own cleverness. In any competitive enterprise, the “secrets of success” must remain secret, or else your competitors will figure out how to beat you at your own game. To publicize your methodology is to invite others to imitate it, and what happens when everybody is playing the same game with the same tactics?

So, even if you have no moral objection to promiscuous fornication — indeed, especially if you are a would-be womanizer — the popularization of PUA methodology is a bad trend. What has made the PUA community so controversial, however, is neither its tactical errors nor its flagrant immorality. Liberals like the SPLC’s Mark Potok despise all morality and endorse every form of perversion. No, what liberals condemn about PUA culture is its “misogyny,” a feminist thought-crime for which no liberal would ever condemn such idols of liberalism as Ted Kennedy. (Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.)

  • Question 1: If feminists say pick-up artists hate women — for this is what “misogyny” means — isn’t it fair to assume that Bill Clinton is also a woman-hater?
  • Question 2: If men who repeatedly succeed in seduction are condemned by feminists, does this condemnation not also apply, by an obverse principle, to promiscuous women whose behavior justifies the boasts of PUAs?

Well, anyone who expects logic, honesty or intellectual consistency from feminists is a hopeless fool and, as if it were their goal to confirm once and for all what fools they are, feminists have freaked out over Roosh’s latest project. At his “manosphere” site Return of Kings, Roosh proposed an international meet-up day this coming Saturday, Feb. 6.

This would seem like nothing controversial — fans of a popular Web site, with many thousands of regular readers, getting together IRL (“in real life”) to socialize. Yet because (a) feminists hate Roosh, (b) feminists are shameless liars, and (c) major media organizations are staffed almost entirely by “progressive” allies of feminism, these meet-ups were labeled “rape rallies,” and a bizarre hysteria took hold. The Toronto Sun‘s coverage is a typical smear:

Roosh V. plans ‘rape should be legal’ meetup in Toronto
Roosh V. is back but Mayor John Tory says he’s not welcome in Toronto.
The notorious American pick-up artist — who ruffled feathers during a tour stop in Toronto last summer to promote “neomasculinity” — announced on his blog that Hogtown will be among the 10 Canadian cities hosting local “rape should be legal” meetups on Feb. 6.
Toronto’s “tribal meeting” for only heterosexual men will take place at 8 p.m. at Queen’s Park near the Edward VII statue.
“The media in Canada, Iceland, and the United Kingdom have also put out defamatory reports about the meetup that falsely claim it’s a ‘rape’ gathering where we will strategize on how to rape women,” said Roosh V, whose real name is Daryush Valizadeh, on his website. “Not a single meetup will be cancelled. We will not be intimidated by the actions of the lying media and leftist political establishment.”
According to Valizadeh’s website, there are 165 meetings in 43 countries slated for Feb. 6. Hosts will wait until 8:20 p.m. sharp at the meeting point before “moving on to the final location.”
It isn’t clear if Valizadeh will attend Toronto’s meeting. The 36-year-old could not be reached for comment on Tuesday.
Tory’s office said Valizadeh’s views don’t “reflect the values of Toronto and his statements about women are demeaning and unacceptable.”
“While free speech is the law in this country, promoting violence against women is wrong,” the mayor’s spokesman, Keerthana Kamalavasan, said, adding the mayor’s views have not changed since Valizadeh’s last visit to Toronto in August.
“Roosh V and his hate speech have no place in our city and should have no platform here either.”

This “hate speech”/”violence against women” rhetoric is nothing but propaganda, and the Toronto Sun‘s coverage is strangely reminiscent of the kind of transparent hype Hunter S. Thompson used to publish when he was starting out as a young sports writer:

At one point, in Florida, I was writing variations on the same demented themes for three competing papers at the same time, under three different names. I was a sports columnist for one paper in the morning, sports editor for another in the afternoon, and at night I worked for a pro wrestling promoter, writing incredibly twisted “press releases” that I would plant, the next day, in both papers.
It was a wonderful gig, in retrospect, and at times I wish I could go back to it — just punch a big hatpin through my frontal lobes and maybe regain that happy lost innocence that enabled me to write, without the slightest twinge of conscience, things like: “The entire Fort Walton Beach police force is gripped in a state of fear this week; all leaves have been canceled and Chief Bloor is said to be drilling his men for an Emergency Alert situation on Friday and Saturday nights — because those are the nights when ‘Kazika, The Mad Jap,’ a 440-pound sadist from the vile slums of Hiroshima, is scheduled to make his first — and no doubt his last — appearance in Fish-head Auditorium. Local wrestling impressario Lionel Olay is known to have spoken privately with Chief Bloor, urging him to have ‘every available officer’ on duty at ringside this weekend, because of the Mad Jap’s legendary temper and his invariably savage reaction to racial insults. Last week, in Detroit, Kazika ran amok and tore the spleens out of three ringside spectators, one of whom allegedly called him a ‘yellow devil.'”
“Kazika,” as I recall, was a big, half-bright Cuban who once played third-string tackle for Florida State University in Tallahassee, about 100 miles away — but on the fish-head circuit he had no trouble passing for a dangerous Jap strangler, and I soon learned that pro wrestling fans don’t give a fuck anyway.

Dimwits with an appetite for phony controversy, whether they are Florida wrestling fans or Canadian feminists, are always being suckered by this kind of ginned-up hype. Really, what was Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72 trying to explain? Thompson’s reference to his early career in sports journalism, which is the purest form of media hype known to man, was meant to suggest that no intelligent person should be deceived by political journalism, where the pretense of Objectivity was even less plausible than a press release about Kazika the Mad Jap. Thompson perceived in modern media the aspect that Richard Weaver called “The Great Stereopticon.” The media factory produces Conventional Wisdom, a shoddy simulacrum of reality, accepted as an ersatz substitute for truth by people too lazy to think for themselves.

Honestly, feminists and PUAs deserve each other. The accusation that Roosh is an advocate for legalizing rape is the kind of bogus nonsense that only a feminist could possibly believe.




 

Category: Feminism, Media Bias, Sex Trouble

Comments

82 Responses to “How @RooshV Trolled the World”

  1. Fail Burton
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 5:20 pm

    Twitter has become like a Big Sister that watches your every social move. Like a school of fish which moves in lyrical unison, feminist piranhas move in for the kill after alerting whatever half-snoozing Li’l Abner Foggy Bottom local sheriff that danger doth approach and said piranha have need of his doughty skills as a white knight breaker of his own laws.

  2. Zhytamyr
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 5:24 pm

    I call BS on Roosh being a “pickup artist” – he seems incapable of picking up one good enough to keep.

  3. Finrod Felagund
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 5:33 pm

    Roosh is exactly like the radfems just with gender and position reversed.

  4. Valerie Stewart
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 5:49 pm

    Mr. McCain: are you familiar with the Red Pill subreddit?

    The Red Pillers really are as contradictory as the radfems. The Red Pillers’ philosophy is thus: all women are stupid, highly manipulative and pragmatic children with Machiavellian tendiences that (somehow) rule the world and manipulate all men with their all-powerful womanly organs. To break the Matriarchy, men must know the ultimate truth and practice the Dark Triad to finally gain independence, so they can sleep with all those hypergamous sluts without consequence.

    Well … Yeah.

    The political horseshoe theory most certainty applies here.

  5. Valerie Stewart
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 5:58 pm

    He published a book about his “conquests” in other countries. I believe he’s lying about 95% of them.

  6. Prime Director
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 6:03 pm

    Roosh lacks access to institutional power, largely harmless

  7. GruntOfMonteCristo
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 6:11 pm

    He’s got a lot of good things to say, but I think you’re right. He’s even complained about starting to have “performance issues” because the women he hangs with are so unexceptional. I think he should stick with something more attainable, like being just an MRA or anti-feminist and leave the woman-hunting to guys like Dan Bilzerian.

  8. DeadMessenger
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 6:11 pm

    Well, yeah, ’cause who wants to sleep with some dude knowing you’re by extention also sleeping with the diseased skanks said dude previously slept with?

  9. robertstacymccain
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 6:12 pm

    This would seem to confirm my idea that Newton’s Third Law of Motion can be applied to politics. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The feminist movement thus generates, as an equal action, a certain number of women who adopt feminist ideology and endeavor to live accordingly. However, the opposite action must also occur. Some women will become more traditionalist, and men who (quite accurately) perceive the feminist movement as hostile to their own interests will develop ways to undermine or resist the movement.

    My belief is this: The feminist movement has undertaken a fool’s errand. The kind of “equality” they promote will never be achieved, because it is simply impossible. One does not, however, need to be a “men’s rights activist” (MRA) to understand this. Feminism is ultimately as bad for women as it is for men; a false ideology serves the interests of no one except the professional propagandists and selfish politicians who benefit directly from the movement’s success. What is necessary to defeat feminism, therefore, is simply to tell the truth about feminism, as a false ideology can never persuade anyone who understands its errors.

  10. disqus_QL05BqU79X
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 7:08 pm

    SlamDUNK.

  11. Valerie Stewart
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 7:14 pm

    Yes. A lot of the *real* mysogyny and its *real* problems have already been solved in the USA, Europe, and the like.

    If the leftist-feminist spectrum were/are so hellbent on getting justice, solving mysogyny, getting equal opportunity or decent/fairly equal legal rights, they would all worry about and go to the Middle East, but we all know they will never do so.

    Instead, like you said, this leftist-feminist movement/radfeminism/Ivory Tower feminism* is only concerned with political power and getting even more political power.

    *I think “Ivory Tower” feminism is the perfect definition for what you’ve been exposing. That way, no one gets confused over the types, subtypes and numerous connotations of feminism. Because, after all, the Left loves to redefine feminism to suit their purposes.

  12. Fail Burton
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 7:35 pm

    Talk to me when those nuthatches have 700 men’s studies classes across America and the Dept. of Education running Title IX extortion scams from them. There’s my nutty neighbor down the block who doesn’t like “da Joos” and then there’s city hall. There’s probably a UFO reddit and there’s also conventions where people dress like animals. As long as it’s not the GOP or Dem conventions I’ll ignore that.

  13. Valerie Stewart
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 7:57 pm

    Something like that is certainly coming on the “men’s side”, but it will be much more violent than the radfems’ primarily not-so-subtle indoctrination. The way things are now, they (the radfems) willl very likely not resort to violence; rather, forcibly disarm the populace.

    No, the violence will be coming from the Muslim extremists who sympathize and infiltrate the Red Pillers and similar aforementioned philosophies. They are similar on their views with denigrating and controlling women and promoting sociopathy as good.

    Then, you will see the forced education once they’ve gained a major foothold.

  14. Finrod Felagund
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:05 pm

    The furries have been at the bottom of the geek hierarchy for a long time:

    https://scifigeek.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/geekchartbig.gif

  15. Joe Joe
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:11 pm

    At least for now. The problem is that men with morals also seem to lack access to institutional power, and it appears it will be this way for the long haul. By rejecting moral men as “patriarchal”, feminists walk right into the trap of Roosh V and have no leg to stand on when trying to counteract him. They can only yell “misogyny!” (which is wearing thin with overuse) but have no moral arguments, which are the real arguments that counteract Roosh V, PUA culture and Bill Clinton.

  16. RS
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 8:13 pm

    Never discuss strategy in public.

    When I was a pup, one of my senior partners told me, “never teach anybody anything.” By that, he meant you never told an opponent why he lost a case. Make him think it was mere ill luck and not his own incompetence and that the result was a whisker from going the other way. The reason, of course, is simple. You want him to keep making the same mistakes forever.

    (Further, telling people how badly you kicked their ass and how smart you are results in making unnecessary enemies for life. Very stupid.)

  17. M. Thompson
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:34 pm

    That’s been around for what, 13 years now?

    I feel old seeing it.

  18. Shawn Smith
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:37 pm

    Ummm, “rape should be legal”? Isn’t the whole point of PUA to get the girls to voluntarily have sex with you?

    Seriously, the closest I can actually imagine Roosh saying to that is “Activity X is not rape and should be legal.” Of course, a leftist journalist has no problem reducing this to “rape should be legal”. These people are disgusting.

  19. Shawn Smith
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 9:40 pm

    Oddly, I know of at least one apparent exception to this rule: Vox Day regularly says exactly what he is going to do, exactly how expects his opponents to react, and what he wants out of the deal. He then, after publicly explaining this, still gets exactly the outcome he was aiming for.

  20. CrustyB
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 10:06 pm

    I had a nasty “you’re a racist!” exchange with a…ahem…journalist on DNAInfo, A day or two later she ran no less than FIVE stories on this guy on the front page, including a “pro-rape group hires tuba player” headline (I’m not making that up.) She’s milking this phony for every last drop of “waa waa women are victims, give us cheap pity” crap that she can. Pathetic.
    https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/

  21. Joe Joe
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 10:19 pm

    Actually, it’s about advancing the socialist agenda.

    The method is creating problems where there are none by claiming there are problems. Once you’ve created the crisis, you go in for more and more governmental control.

    Sex ed: Back in the 60s, when this was proposed, 8% of children were born to single mothers. Now that number is 24%. Sex ed was supposed to solve the problem of unintended pregnancy and single motherhood.
    http://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=family-structure

    DARE: Findings indicate that this “anti drug” program actually increased student interest in drugs. While having no effect on inner city drug use, it actually increased suburban (white) drug use.
    http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99564,00.html

    BULLYING: The newest anti-bullying programs are actually having the opposite effect: students in schools with anti-bullying programs are more likely to be bulled.
    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/09/13/study-anti-bullying-programs-may-have-opposite-effect

    Notice that all three programs not only did not work, but produced the opposite result. They created problems where few to none existed. It can’t all be incompetence. My belief has been that these programs are intend to do the opposite of their stated goals. The idea is to sow dissension and trouble, allowing an opening for government to come in and micromanage.

    Now:

    RAPE CULTURE: DOJ figures consistently show that a woman living on a college campus actually has a lower change of being raped than a woman her age anywhere else.
    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf

    So, feminists take a big “anti rape” program to places with some of the lowest rape rates on earth. What do you think the establishment is trying to do?

  22. RS
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 10:37 pm

    True enough. The SF “battles” are a different beast, however. (At least in my view.) There’s a difference between promoting a slate of suggested reads for consideration n an awards contest and telling people how to obtain the right to participate and disclosing strategy in an election or in litigation, I think, but I’d need too much space to flesh these thoughts out.

  23. M. Thompson
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 11:03 pm

    If you aren’t trolling somebody these days, you’re misusing the internet.

  24. Daniel Freeman
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 11:19 pm

    I think it’s more that he sets up Xanatos gambits and then lets them choose how to lose. Not everything can be like that, so now he has closed Brainstorms.

  25. Finrod Felagund
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 11:24 pm

    Sounds about right. Furries themselves have been around since at least 1990, I can confirm.

  26. Daniel Freeman
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 11:24 pm

    I believe it was more along the lines of “X is consent,” but that’s a fine distinction.

  27. Joe Guelph
    February 3rd, 2016 @ 11:45 pm

    Looks like the hysteria served its purpose: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/return-of-kings-rallies-cancelled-1.3432969

  28. Wombat_socho
    February 4th, 2016 @ 12:08 am

    PUAs aren’t looking for keepers, because they don’t believe there is any such thing. Even I know that, and I don’t hang out with that crowd.

  29. Finrod Felagund
    February 4th, 2016 @ 1:22 am

    My rule of thumb is that there is an inverse relationship between the amount of sex you have and the amount you talk about the sex you have. See the Monty Python skit Nudge Nudge for an example.

  30. Valerie Stewart
    February 4th, 2016 @ 1:29 am

    That, and how you describe your “conquests”. Lots of Roosh’s descriptions came straight from a romance novel–sometimes, as though written by a nut or an alien.

  31. Valerie Stewart
    February 4th, 2016 @ 1:35 am

    That, and gaining any type of power. Socialism, Communism, Ivory Tower feminism? Same actor with slightly different costumes.

  32. RickZ
    February 4th, 2016 @ 2:20 am

    ‘Big Sister’ is actually a brothel in Prague, Czech Republic. You can pay a subscription fee to watch on-line the, uh, ‘activity’.

    I had a ‘friend’ tell me about it. That’s my story and I’m sticking with it.

  33. GruntOfMonteCristo
    February 4th, 2016 @ 2:54 am

    I didn’t see “People who make elaborate hierarchy diagrams of geek culture” on the chart anywhere. I assume it falls somewhere above “furries.”

  34. Finrod Felagund
    February 4th, 2016 @ 3:10 am

    By default, any part of geekdom falls above the furries unless proven to deserve otherwise.

  35. Daniel Freeman
    February 4th, 2016 @ 3:36 am

    On the one hand, there is such a thing as “married game,” where they explain how a married man could use the same general principles to get his wife hot and bothered.

    On the other hand, they recommend against getting yourself in such a bad situation in the first place, due to the way that our laws and procedures incentivize divorce rape.

    On the gripping hand, they actually describe how to tell a marriageable woman from an easy one, when they explain Sunday Morning Nightclub and fake good girls.

  36. Sean
    February 4th, 2016 @ 3:52 am

    Read the column on legalized rape. It’s a calling to women to protect themselves and not act stupidly… of course, they miss the point spectacularly.

  37. Bob Belvedere
    February 4th, 2016 @ 7:37 am

    Stacy wrote: …anyone who isn’t getting laid as regularly as Robert Plant on Led Zeppelin’s 1971 world tour is just a pathetic loser.

    Bravo, Breeze, for the dead-on-balls-accurate reference [although it does show your age…and mine].

    However, mention must be made that The Shark Incident took place during the ’69 [fitting] tour.

    It’s been a long time since I rock and rolled…

  38. Fail Burton
    February 4th, 2016 @ 7:42 am

    The odds one can go wrong pranking a lesbian supremacist ideology are 0%.

  39. Fail Burton
    February 4th, 2016 @ 7:46 am

    I don’t have any specifics but it seems self-evident unrestrained immigration will act against any lesbian ideology. “Queers for Palestine” is a symbol of how clueless these so-called “feminists” are. In truth the only thing standing between them and a slave pen are the very straight white males they hate the most.

  40. Fail Burton
    February 4th, 2016 @ 7:51 am

    I agree. Chasing down every last goof is a case of diminishing returns. Feminists like to pretend MRAs are more popular than they are. In fact they are a fringe group with no popular support. They do the same with Vox Day over in sci-fi. They magnify him into an army while never noticing he is their sole target. In effect sci-fi’s feminists emphasize their own lies about the field.

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  42. Fail Burton
    February 4th, 2016 @ 7:52 am

    “Sisterhood is Powerful.” Just ask any insane lesbian.

  43. gunga
    February 4th, 2016 @ 8:23 am

    As a practicing nut, I find that insulting…accurate, but insulting…

  44. Burn_the_Witch
    February 4th, 2016 @ 8:43 am

    “Question 2: If men who repeatedly succeed in seduction
    are condemned by feminists, does this condemnation not also apply, by an
    obverse principle, to promiscuous women whose behavior justifies the
    boasts of PUAs?

    Category error.

    No, these women are guilty of being traitors to their inner lesbian. This, of course, trumps any logical observation such as the question above.

  45. Evi L. Bloggerlady
    February 4th, 2016 @ 9:26 am

    http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2016/02/legends-of-rock-and-roll-led-zeppelin.html

    Bob, this warrants a Rule 5 study…

  46. Ilion
    February 4th, 2016 @ 10:12 am

    Yeah, I also figure the “score” mostly inflated BS.
    .
    At the same time, as I understand it, being a PUA is all about *not* “picking up one good enough to keep.”

  47. Quartermaster
    February 4th, 2016 @ 10:30 am

    C’mon now. Being a conservative is a hate crime at the $PLC.

  48. Quartermaster
    February 4th, 2016 @ 10:31 am

    The only weakness I see in your argument is that you employed logic.

  49. Quartermaster
    February 4th, 2016 @ 10:33 am

    Given the people Vox is dealing with, trolling them is the entire object. That they fall into the traps he sets then tells them about just makes the outcome that much more delicious.

  50. Quartermaster
    February 4th, 2016 @ 10:34 am

    You prolly are old.