Conor Friedersdorf wants Mark Steyn to “repudiate” Canada’s answer to the Tasmanian Devil after Steyn linked a post in which Kathy wrote:
[T]he nation’s ethnic makeup is different now, for one thing. Way more residents/invaders/settlers from “manyana” cultures. More illiterates, more people with no sense of history.
Is this untrue? Does the U.S. not, indeed, have more illiterates in 2010 than we had in 1960? Are there no such things as “mañana cultures,” where there is less emphasis on efficiency, punctuality, prudence? Is it not a fact that many illegal aliens are illiterate even in their own languages?
The facts may be in dispute, but apparently no argument is permissible. Freidersdorf condemns Shaidle for “casual bigotry against Hispanics and blacks,” and condemns Steyn for “uncritically pass[ing] along” her views to readers of the Corner. This assumes that readers of the Corner lack the discernment to decide for themselves whether they agree or disagree with Shaidle. Must Steyn include a disclaimer with every link to Shaidle? “WARNING: This person may occasionally say things I do not endorse.”
There is a baby-and-the-bathwater problem with Friedersdorf’s argument. Conor seems to be saying that anyone caught writing a potentially objectionable sentence is persona non grata from that moment forward, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of non-objectionable sentences they have written before or since. And anyone who quotes that person (“uncritically”) is presumed complicit in their thought-crimes.
Well, who could possibly be acceptable by Conor’s standards? This demand for Rhetorical Purity is only ever enforced against conservatives. Liberals can and do say objectionable things every day without being threatened with ostracism — liberalism being the virtue that excuses every vice.
To my knowledge, Kathy Shaidle has never driven off a bridge and left a girl to die in a submerged Oldsmobile. She is therefore a better human being than Ted Kennedy ever was.
And you can quote me on that.
UPDATE: In the Texas Hold ‘Em game of political incorrectness, Shaidle goes all in:
Wow, I’m more powerful than I ever imagined. Henceforth, I insist that you ALL refer to me as “the Mexican Whisperer”! . . .
And you Mexicans: what the hell are you doing reading my blog? That lettuce isn’t gonna pick itself!
WARNING: This person may occasionally say things that result in reflexive coffee-spew.
[…] Kathy Shaidle and ‘Casual Bigotry’ […]
In typical ‘highly educated White’ mentality Friedrdorfs is projecting his own bigot racism.
‘Highly educated Whites’ built The American Ghetto as their means to insuring their top spot as Slave-masters of their Slave-plantation.
“Black Rednecks and White Liberals” Dr Sowell
“White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era” Shelby Steele.
“It’s OK to Leave the Plantation” Mason Weaver
For as long as Freiderdorfs remains a condescending ‘highly educated White’ then his American Ghetto will continue to grow.
Nasty people those Builders of the American Ghetto, NASTY; their existence depends upon making other people slaves to the American Ghetto.
In typical ‘highly educated White’ mentality Friedrdorfs is projecting his own bigot racism.
‘Highly educated Whites’ built The American Ghetto as their means to insuring their top spot as Slave-masters of their Slave-plantation.
“Black Rednecks and White Liberals” Dr Sowell
“White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era” Shelby Steele.
“It’s OK to Leave the Plantation” Mason Weaver
For as long as Freiderdorfs remains a condescending ‘highly educated White’ then his American Ghetto will continue to grow.
Nasty people those Builders of the American Ghetto, NASTY; their existence depends upon making other people slaves to the American Ghetto.
[…] The Other McCain gives Conor Friedersdorf a well-deserved spanking. The facts may be in dispute, but apparently no argument is permissible. Freidersdorf condemns Shaidle for “casual bigotry against Hispanics and blacks,” and condemns Steyn for “uncritically pass[ing] along” her views to readers of the Corner. This assumes that readers of the Corner lack the discernment to decide for themselves whether they agree or disagree with Shaidle. Must Steyn include a disclaimer with every link to Shaidle? “WARNING: This person may occasionally say things I do not endorse.” […]
Conor evidently lacks the discernment to know that he’s positioning himself as yet another useful idiot for the left.
Conor evidently lacks the discernment to know that he’s positioning himself as yet another useful idiot for the left.
Stacy: I’m in love with Kathie Shaidle – please don’t tell Mrs. Belvedere.
Mike LR: He’s been that for quite a while; I think he’s now bucking for the rank of Dupe, 1st Class.
Stacy: I’m in love with Kathie Shaidle – please don’t tell Mrs. Belvedere.
Mike LR: He’s been that for quite a while; I think he’s now bucking for the rank of Dupe, 1st Class.
Your secret is safe with me, Bob.
Your secret is safe with me, Bob.
I knew I could count on you old pal and the fact that I have those ‘special’ pictures from your trip to Massachusetts of you being, shall we say ‘happy and gay’ that I know Mrs. Other McCain would find very ‘enlightening’, shall we say. Onward and upward, I always say.
I was also drunk, crazy and heavily armed at all times. People trembled and cursed when I came into a public room and started screaming in German. –HST
I knew I could count on you old pal and the fact that I have those ‘special’ pictures from your trip to Massachusetts of you being, shall we say ‘happy and gay’ that I know Mrs. Other McCain would find very ‘enlightening’, shall we say. Onward and upward, I always say.
I was also drunk, crazy and heavily armed at all times. People trembled and cursed when I came into a public room and started screaming in German. –HST
Aw that is very cute, Bob. As someone who holds regular “Pin Up” themes on her blog, yours is one of my favorites too. Alas if you saw me you wouldn’t love me any more, but that’s ok. 🙂
Aw that is very cute, Bob. As someone who holds regular “Pin Up” themes on her blog, yours is one of my favorites too. Alas if you saw me you wouldn’t love me any more, but that’s ok. 🙂
I’ve given up on trying to read Conor.. For the most part, I’ve always had trouble trying to figure out what his point.
So I’ll head over someplace else and read something by Steyn or Williams or some Other place and get a much better understanding of what their idea is they are trying to express within a minute or two of reading.
This from a guy who knows exactly what is happening on the island on Lost
I’ve given up on trying to read Conor.. For the most part, I’ve always had trouble trying to figure out what his point.
So I’ll head over someplace else and read something by Steyn or Williams or some Other place and get a much better understanding of what their idea is they are trying to express within a minute or two of reading.
This from a guy who knows exactly what is happening on the island on Lost
It was nice meeting you at CPAC. Kathy Shaidle is my friend and saying she is a bigot is just silly. She is just trying to wake up Canadians and Americans to their own inner white guilt.
Kathy often speaks a truth that people don’t want to hear.
It was nice meeting you at CPAC. Kathy Shaidle is my friend and saying she is a bigot is just silly. She is just trying to wake up Canadians and Americans to their own inner white guilt.
Kathy often speaks a truth that people don’t want to hear.
This may be one of the best posts you’ve ever written. I’m going to memorize it so that I can let loose when I’m being vilified.
This may be one of the best posts you’ve ever written. I’m going to memorize it so that I can let loose when I’m being vilified.
five feet of fury, small dead animals, lumpygrumpyandfrumpy and blazing cat fur, are a few of the fantastic canadian bloggers. They actually speak their minds in a country with diminshing free speech, while we have CJ and others who parse words and so as not to offend their liberal overlords. And there are always the righteous knats like Coner F who need to make their quota of other blogger corrections. Remember Heminway, and how he described the pilot fish, the scavengers, always there to nibble at the edges but who cannot support themselves without the bold writers and thinkers they follow after.
Later dude!
five feet of fury, small dead animals, lumpygrumpyandfrumpy and blazing cat fur, are a few of the fantastic canadian bloggers. They actually speak their minds in a country with diminshing free speech, while we have CJ and others who parse words and so as not to offend their liberal overlords. And there are always the righteous knats like Coner F who need to make their quota of other blogger corrections. Remember Heminway, and how he described the pilot fish, the scavengers, always there to nibble at the edges but who cannot support themselves without the bold writers and thinkers they follow after.
Later dude!
Hemingway, whoops, lol
Hemingway, whoops, lol
Who the hell is Conor Friedersdorf? Whoever he was, I’m even less interested in hearing from him now.
Who the hell is Conor Friedersdorf? Whoever he was, I’m even less interested in hearing from him now.
[…] playing the racism game again, though I suppose “again” is superfluous — the racism game is ongoing in our […]
TR: ‘righteous knats’ – wonderful expression – may I have your permission to use it?
TR: ‘righteous knats’ – wonderful expression – may I have your permission to use it?
Bob, by all means. Thanks!
Bob, by all means. Thanks!
Due credit, of course, will be given. Thanks.
Due credit, of course, will be given. Thanks.
KATHY: Would too!
KATHY: Would too!
Liberals’ rules for calling people racist are as follows:
Conservatives who speak known documented truths about any non-white racial or cultural groups that are unflattering or that do not apply to even a single individual of said group get called racist.
Liberals who have misused the racist card to block any discussion or solutions that lie outside their preferred agenda of making certain target groups dependent on the Dem Party of Handouts, thereby killing them slowly with false kindness NEVER get called racist.
Which is worse: a)talking about the documented problems any identifiable group poses to themselves and/or others b) acting in such a way as to weaken and degenerate said group e.g. Welfare destroying the black family in a way slavery did not?
Until liberals actually face up to the dismal results of their handiwork and feel some shame instead of patting themselves on the back for their supposed good intentions, they should get off their moral high horse and stop lecturing people about doing damage to blacks, Natives etc.
I don’t know who this Friedersdorg is but he’s a pretty poor excuse for a conservative if he doesn’t even fathom the most basic liberal hypocrisy on race and does their work for them by uncritically trotting out their muddled thinking to police true conservative conversation.
Turn the guns around onto the Left where they belong. For starters, have them explain how their encouragement of promiscuous abortion and its disproportionate effect on black babies is not genocide.
Liberals’ rules for calling people racist are as follows:
Conservatives who speak known documented truths about any non-white racial or cultural groups that are unflattering or that do not apply to even a single individual of said group get called racist.
Liberals who have misused the racist card to block any discussion or solutions that lie outside their preferred agenda of making certain target groups dependent on the Dem Party of Handouts, thereby killing them slowly with false kindness NEVER get called racist.
Which is worse: a)talking about the documented problems any identifiable group poses to themselves and/or others b) acting in such a way as to weaken and degenerate said group e.g. Welfare destroying the black family in a way slavery did not?
Until liberals actually face up to the dismal results of their handiwork and feel some shame instead of patting themselves on the back for their supposed good intentions, they should get off their moral high horse and stop lecturing people about doing damage to blacks, Natives etc.
I don’t know who this Friedersdorg is but he’s a pretty poor excuse for a conservative if he doesn’t even fathom the most basic liberal hypocrisy on race and does their work for them by uncritically trotting out their muddled thinking to police true conservative conversation.
Turn the guns around onto the Left where they belong. For starters, have them explain how their encouragement of promiscuous abortion and its disproportionate effect on black babies is not genocide.
When I think of what America truly is I imagine all those civic groups and community organizers in South Central working together both black and hispanic to spread the wealth around through chemical recreational agents. To beautify their community by tasteful artwork, and bring full employment to our hospitals through drive bys.
Ah yes all the best that is in America. By the way wouldn’t you all want to retire to Nigeria or Mexico which the Left apparently believe are the nee plus ultra of humanity and freedom?
When I think of what America truly is I imagine all those civic groups and community organizers in South Central working together both black and hispanic to spread the wealth around through chemical recreational agents. To beautify their community by tasteful artwork, and bring full employment to our hospitals through drive bys.
Ah yes all the best that is in America. By the way wouldn’t you all want to retire to Nigeria or Mexico which the Left apparently believe are the nee plus ultra of humanity and freedom?
“Conor Freidersdorf” indeed! Wasn’t that the name of the Tim Conway character from all those fishing videos?
Sounds like the sort of chap who would shave the hair on his scrotum if it ever grew. Not that there is anything wrong with that . . .
For my part, I prefer Hannah Giles as the face of the new young conservative movement. But if I ever decide to redecorate, Conor will be right up there . . .
“Conor Freidersdorf” indeed! Wasn’t that the name of the Tim Conway character from all those fishing videos?
Sounds like the sort of chap who would shave the hair on his scrotum if it ever grew. Not that there is anything wrong with that . . .
For my part, I prefer Hannah Giles as the face of the new young conservative movement. But if I ever decide to redecorate, Conor will be right up there . . .
Steyn is a bit of a punk for being employed by NRO while linking and emphasizing Shaidle.
Shaidle will lead the envious and ignorant where they belong.
http://tinyurl.com/l7p3kb
“The GOP does not need another William F. Buckley.
I sometimes wonder how it survived the first one.
That is, it doesn’t need as its guiding light a man of inherited wealth who never held down a real job.”
Too stupid to fact check, based on memory I can name ten “jobs” Buckely didn’t just hold down, but excelled at.
Advisor to Reagan is only one of those “jobs.”
Steyn is a bit of a punk for being employed by NRO while linking and emphasizing Shaidle.
Shaidle will lead the envious and ignorant where they belong.
http://tinyurl.com/l7p3kb
“The GOP does not need another William F. Buckley.
I sometimes wonder how it survived the first one.
That is, it doesn’t need as its guiding light a man of inherited wealth who never held down a real job.”
Too stupid to fact check, based on memory I can name ten “jobs” Buckely didn’t just hold down, but excelled at.
Advisor to Reagan is only one of those “jobs.”
And by the way, Buckley created a little of his own wealth too, along with providing a job or two at his magazine, book publisher, TV show, and domicile.
Has Shaidle created wealth or jobs? Did she not do it, at least not on a scale compared to Buckley, because Shaidle’s daddy wasn’t rich enough? That’s a great ethos there for conservatives to support.
Does Shaidle use the same arguments against Rush she uses against Buckley? Rush’s pappy was rich, like Rush’s grandpappy. Lawyers even.
And by the way, Buckley created a little of his own wealth too, along with providing a job or two at his magazine, book publisher, TV show, and domicile.
Has Shaidle created wealth or jobs? Did she not do it, at least not on a scale compared to Buckley, because Shaidle’s daddy wasn’t rich enough? That’s a great ethos there for conservatives to support.
Does Shaidle use the same arguments against Rush she uses against Buckley? Rush’s pappy was rich, like Rush’s grandpappy. Lawyers even.
I think this mis-characterizes my post in a few ways. I haven’t said that no argument is permissible, or that Ms. Shaidle is a persona non-grata from this moment forward, or that anyone who quotes her uncritically is complicit in a “thought crime,” or that a thought crime has been committed. In fact, my position is that argument is quite permissible, Ms. Shaidle is a person who wrote one bigoted blog post, it’s the kind of rhetoric the right out to repudiate, and even rhetoric ten times uglier wouldn’t qualify as a crime. It seems to me that Mr. McCain is the one bringing orthodoxies of thought into this conversation — presuming that any assertion that rhetoric is bigoted must be part of an overweening pc campaign to silence and discredit someone forever, never mind the thousands of words I’ve written that suggest I’d never take that approach.
I think this mis-characterizes my post in a few ways. I haven’t said that no argument is permissible, or that Ms. Shaidle is a persona non-grata from this moment forward, or that anyone who quotes her uncritically is complicit in a “thought crime,” or that a thought crime has been committed. In fact, my position is that argument is quite permissible, Ms. Shaidle is a person who wrote one bigoted blog post, it’s the kind of rhetoric the right out to repudiate, and even rhetoric ten times uglier wouldn’t qualify as a crime. It seems to me that Mr. McCain is the one bringing orthodoxies of thought into this conversation — presuming that any assertion that rhetoric is bigoted must be part of an overweening pc campaign to silence and discredit someone forever, never mind the thousands of words I’ve written that suggest I’d never take that approach.
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Re post #25:
Firstly,I don’t trust a word out of the mouth of a guy named Connor, or Hunter or Tyler, for that matter. Those are last names and they sound very gay when written or spoken as first names; additionally I thought all of you Connors were still about 12 years old, in which case I would overlook the spelling error.
Now, I just don’t understand why you think Mrs. Shaidle “ought” to be repudiated. Do you think there is an error in what she said? I personally don’t think the truth ought to be repudiated at all. If you have facts that differ, then I think your argument would be welcomed by most people.
Just calling people racists is not the way to argue, son. Neither is having the first name Connor the best way to win friends and influence people. Your Dad might as well have named you Sue! Good grief!
Re post #25:
Firstly,I don’t trust a word out of the mouth of a guy named Connor, or Hunter or Tyler, for that matter. Those are last names and they sound very gay when written or spoken as first names; additionally I thought all of you Connors were still about 12 years old, in which case I would overlook the spelling error.
Now, I just don’t understand why you think Mrs. Shaidle “ought” to be repudiated. Do you think there is an error in what she said? I personally don’t think the truth ought to be repudiated at all. If you have facts that differ, then I think your argument would be welcomed by most people.
Just calling people racists is not the way to argue, son. Neither is having the first name Connor the best way to win friends and influence people. Your Dad might as well have named you Sue! Good grief!