This Is A Christian Act How, Exactly?

by Smitty

Via Gateway Pundit, there is word that The Dove World Outreach Center in Florida plans to burn some Korans.

That is as bent an idea as anything the Fred Phelps flock is doing. Followers of Christ near and far should consider denouncing this evil provocation.

For starters, this blog thinks that The Dove World Outreach Center is false, and all members should depart for a Christ-centered, Biblically sound church. Pray, read the Bible, know the difference, people.

61 comments

  1. For years the little people have been following the “religion of peace” line, but we have not seen any reciprocation from Moslems. Diplomatic respect is usually a good policy, but not when it turns into self-delusion. People are beginning to see the conflict will never end, and the problem is the nature of Islam itself, not just a marginal fringe.

  2. For years the little people have been following the “religion of peace” line, but we have not seen any reciprocation from Moslems. Diplomatic respect is usually a good policy, but not when it turns into self-delusion. People are beginning to see the conflict will never end, and the problem is the nature of Islam itself, not just a marginal fringe.

  3. I believe all Korans should be burned. I am not the least bit offended that someone wants to burn a few. Neither would I be offended if someone wanted to burn a few copies of “Mein Kampf.” They are both books of hatred, tyranny and genocide.

  4. I believe all Korans should be burned. I am not the least bit offended that someone wants to burn a few. Neither would I be offended if someone wanted to burn a few copies of “Mein Kampf.” They are both books of hatred, tyranny and genocide.

  5. You dhimmis are acting like this is happening in a vacuum. Obama and others asserted that building the GZM was a matter of “Freedom of Religion”. So this church is asserting their “Freedom of Speech”.

    It’s past time we pushed back hard against Islam (religion of peace my ass). Provocation meets provocation. Good for them!

  6. You dhimmis are acting like this is happening in a vacuum. Obama and others asserted that building the GZM was a matter of “Freedom of Religion”. So this church is asserting their “Freedom of Speech”.

    It’s past time we pushed back hard against Islam (religion of peace my ass). Provocation meets provocation. Good for them!

  7. I cannot support burning the Koran.

    Flushing it down a toilet? Maybe. But burning it? That’s just one more thing I’ll have to buy a carbon offset for.

  8. I cannot support burning the Koran.

    Flushing it down a toilet? Maybe. But burning it? That’s just one more thing I’ll have to buy a carbon offset for.

  9. Quran burning is childish. All it does is antagonize, something Jesus didn’t do when He was teaching His disciples.

    They are another example of someone doing something stupid “in the name of God” to satisfy their own ends. They do NOT represent my God, nor do they speak for me.

    They would put their energies to better use trying to convince muslims that Jesus is the answer, not violence.

  10. Quran burning is childish. All it does is antagonize, something Jesus didn’t do when He was teaching His disciples.

    They are another example of someone doing something stupid “in the name of God” to satisfy their own ends. They do NOT represent my God, nor do they speak for me.

    They would put their energies to better use trying to convince muslims that Jesus is the answer, not violence.

  11. If the doctrines taught by Dove World Outreach Center are true, then Islam is not only false, but will land its adherents in eternal hellfire.

    That congregation apparently believes itself called to loudly evangelize to that effect.

    To each their own.

    Smitty, a church cannot be both Biblically sound and Christ-centered. If it’s “Biblically sound,” it’s called a synagogue and teaches the religion that Jesus taught (Judaism). If it’s “Christ-centered,” then it’s a center of Paul’s pagan heresy.

  12. If the doctrines taught by Dove World Outreach Center are true, then Islam is not only false, but will land its adherents in eternal hellfire.

    That congregation apparently believes itself called to loudly evangelize to that effect.

    To each their own.

    Smitty, a church cannot be both Biblically sound and Christ-centered. If it’s “Biblically sound,” it’s called a synagogue and teaches the religion that Jesus taught (Judaism). If it’s “Christ-centered,” then it’s a center of Paul’s pagan heresy.

  13. Stupid and ignorant. They can of course do it. It is a bad idea to do so. Becuase it lowers, rather than raises, the debate. It reflects badly on those doing such acts. It is childish and a sign of weakness.

  14. Stupid and ignorant. They can of course do it. It is a bad idea to do so. Becuase it lowers, rather than raises, the debate. It reflects badly on those doing such acts. It is childish and a sign of weakness.

  15. Thomas L. Knapp, of course they can do it. And they need not be PC about their rejection of what they consider a false faith. I am not about restricting that.

    But this is showboating. And if they are showboating, they can expect a few cat calls.

  16. Thomas L. Knapp, of course they can do it. And they need not be PC about their rejection of what they consider a false faith. I am not about restricting that.

    But this is showboating. And if they are showboating, they can expect a few cat calls.

  17. As for your comment on “St. Paul’s pagan heresy”…I think what ever you have on the stove needs some stirin!

  18. As for your comment on “St. Paul’s pagan heresy”…I think what ever you have on the stove needs some stirin!

  19. Smitty, kudos for calling this one out.
    Unlike some of the people on this post, there are
    some reasonable voices coming from the Right.
    Unfortunately, you are a flamingo in a sea of retarded pigeons…

  20. Smitty, kudos for calling this one out.
    Unlike some of the people on this post, there are
    some reasonable voices coming from the Right.
    Unfortunately, you are a flamingo in a sea of retarded pigeons…

  21. Joe,

    Actually, my bad. I should have referred to the heretic as “Saul of Tarsus,” as “Paul” appears to have been an affectation/pseudonym taken to advance his project of Hellenizing/paganizing the orthodox “zealous for the law” Judaism/Israeli nationalism taught by Jesus.

  22. Joe,

    Actually, my bad. I should have referred to the heretic as “Saul of Tarsus,” as “Paul” appears to have been an affectation/pseudonym taken to advance his project of Hellenizing/paganizing the orthodox “zealous for the law” Judaism/Israeli nationalism taught by Jesus.

  23. Joe,

    I hit “submit” too soon.

    I agree that the Quran-burning thing is bad form and bad PR.

    If nothing else, it creates in its audience a mental association with the Nazi book bonfires and such (although, let us be clear, those were state-supported/mandated actions with stolen/seized books, while this is presumably a private action with purchased or donated books).

    For that matter, I think it’s bad PR of the Cordoba House people not to express a willingness to move. I’m pretty confident that they could find someone willing to swap properties with them that would give them a place still in lower Manhattan, equally convenient to subway stops, etc., but further from “Ground Zero” and in a building without even a tangential connection to 9/11.

    On the other hand, the assault on their project opened up hard and fast enough that they immediately got their backs up, and I can’t really blame them for it, any more than I can blame an evangelical Christian congregation for not backing down once it’s taken a doctrinal stand which, while harsh, is justified according to their beliefs.

  24. Joe,

    I hit “submit” too soon.

    I agree that the Quran-burning thing is bad form and bad PR.

    If nothing else, it creates in its audience a mental association with the Nazi book bonfires and such (although, let us be clear, those were state-supported/mandated actions with stolen/seized books, while this is presumably a private action with purchased or donated books).

    For that matter, I think it’s bad PR of the Cordoba House people not to express a willingness to move. I’m pretty confident that they could find someone willing to swap properties with them that would give them a place still in lower Manhattan, equally convenient to subway stops, etc., but further from “Ground Zero” and in a building without even a tangential connection to 9/11.

    On the other hand, the assault on their project opened up hard and fast enough that they immediately got their backs up, and I can’t really blame them for it, any more than I can blame an evangelical Christian congregation for not backing down once it’s taken a doctrinal stand which, while harsh, is justified according to their beliefs.

  25. Would the self-proclaimed Right-Wing Judy Garland, Anne Coulter, call them ‘publicity whores’? I think she would.

    This stunt is not original, and easily portrayed as Nazi-like, and downright lame.

    If, as their website claims, they are a 5-fold apostolic church, they will grow exponentially, experience persecution for Jesus’ name sake, and for righteousness’ sake, & not deny Jesus as Lord, even unto death.

    Preach the Gospel, let the Holy Spirit do the rest. For one plants, another waters, but God brings the increase.

    Never hear preachers preach: Rev 22:11-12
    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: He which is filthy, let him be filthy still: He that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
    And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to every man according as his works shall be.

  26. Would the self-proclaimed Right-Wing Judy Garland, Anne Coulter, call them ‘publicity whores’? I think she would.

    This stunt is not original, and easily portrayed as Nazi-like, and downright lame.

    If, as their website claims, they are a 5-fold apostolic church, they will grow exponentially, experience persecution for Jesus’ name sake, and for righteousness’ sake, & not deny Jesus as Lord, even unto death.

    Preach the Gospel, let the Holy Spirit do the rest. For one plants, another waters, but God brings the increase.

    Never hear preachers preach: Rev 22:11-12
    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: He which is filthy, let him be filthy still: He that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
    And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to every man according as his works shall be.

  27. youngforeskin calling someone retarded is rich since he is a intolerant liberal btw i agree that burning the quran is wrong why not flush it down the toilet or bash youngforeskin’ brains in with it

  28. youngforeskin calling someone retarded is rich since he is a intolerant liberal btw i agree that burning the quran is wrong why not flush it down the toilet or bash youngforeskin’ brains in with it

  29. I agree with the conclusion that burning Korans is needlessly provocative. However, Bill S. writes that antagonism is “something Jesus didn’t do when He was teaching His disciples.”

    Well, it was certainly something He did on other occasions, as when He described hypocritical religious leaders as white-washed tombs, and when He drove the money-changers out of the temple.

    Thomas:

    Jewish Scripture clearly points to the annointed one of God — in Hebrew, the Messiah; in Greek, the Christ. Even if one restricts the Bible to Jewish Scripture (an unconventional restriction in our culture, which you probably already know), affirming that Jesus is the Messiah isn’t a contradiction with what is Biblically sound.

    Jesus didn’t just affirm the authority of Jewish Scripture to the smallest penstroke; He simultaneously claimed to fulfill Scripture.

    His followers radically transformed rituals that were fundamental to Judaism, making Sunday the central day of worship because Jesus rose on that day, and transforming the Passover into a commemoration of His death BECAUSE HE INSTRUCTED THEM TO DO SO.

    There is nothing that the supposed heretic Paul taught, that Jesus didn’t teach first, sometimes implicitly, frequently explicitly.

    Jesus certainly affirmed Jewish Scripture by affirming its divine authorship, but He also affirmed His own divine nature: “Before Abraham was, I am.”

    He didn’t merely affirm the religion of Judaism, Jesus proclaimed salvation, not through the Torah, but through Himself. He claimed that He came to give His life as a ransom for many, that His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sin, and that HE HIMSELF is the way, the truth, the life, and the resurrection.

    In order to deny that Jesus made these claims, you have to go far beyond dismissing Paul’s letters. You have to dismiss Luke and Acts, written by one of Paul’s associates; you have to dismiss John’s gospel, even though it was written by Jesus’ “beloved” disciple; you have to dismiss the very Jewish gospel of Matthew; and you have to dismiss the short and possibly earliest gospel of Mark.

    If you dismiss all four canonical gospels, I wonder how it is you know what Jesus did and did not teach.

    And if you believe accepting that Jesus is the Messiah requires rejecting the authority of Jewish Scripture, I must wonder whether you even believe that Scripture promises the Messiah, and I wonder what you make of Isaiah 53 specifically.

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